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India should give Pakistan a last chance. Let the guns do the talking then

Namaskar Guru ji

Han abi modi ji ko bolo warzish waghera karen.... 35-40 inch ki chathey ko 56 inch karney mein bahut sama lagta hey.
Aur aksar uss sey paheley admi Shamshan Ghat bi pounch jata hey.....albata, pictures mein ayesa nai hota.....!!
janab aap samjhe nahi jahan kaam dimag se liya ja sakta hai whan NaMo Ji taqat lagaye hi kyon :azn:

koi gal nahi dheere dheere apko ye baat khud ba khud samjh aa jayegi tab tak jo chahe kaho.... akhir zuban me haddi to hoti nahi :sarcastic:
 


Won't take dictation from India, says Pakistan - The Times of India



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NO LEADER IN INDIA OR PAKISTAN has a SPINE TO COME TO A DECISIVE AGREEMENT REGARDING ISSUES.

So talks will keep failing for another decade i guess
 
Don't worry we don't want any part of other country its you who want so why should India start a war?
As for your delusions we showed if we want to do annex a part then we will do it as did in 71 and we tore the country called Pakistan in half.
I repeat it again we tore your country in half by our might and you weren't q me to do sh1t about that and you today you still can't do it.
And last but not the least friend once again.
'WE TORE A COUNTRY NAMED PAKISTAN IN HALF' so remember this everytime.
And just let me know when you grow some spine to annex kashmir because we will be waiting.

Yes we had lost a part of our country....we were thousands of miles apart and an enemy state was in the middle...Besides YOU haven't done it ... it is us who had done it due internal rifts......Indian wasn't capable of doing it then ... isn't capable of doing it now..... We are not seeking words from You guys ... bring it on.......We don't have any delusion that we are a smaller state but India has much much much more to loose than us ... and we now can destroy ... most of what India has... it would seize to exist as a nation....
 
Mr.Sartaj Aziz should demand India to stop supporting terrorism in Pakistan.
And talk on Kashmir like decent gentlemen.
That's the way forward for peace.India should not make it an issue of ego.
Modi is taking strides in the wrong direction to please the local Indian public.
 
I Would not push india too hard my Pakistani friends.

In the LAST FULL WAR they split your EAST PAKISTAN in 12 days flat.

Unless you live on MARS you already know the indiaN nation is far far bigger and more powerful in every way.

TRYING TO GET KASHMIR you may end up losing half of Pakistan

" YOUR NUKES WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE"

Your country is mess SOUGHT the issues at home out FIRST and learn to stand on your feet rather than leaning on China for very thing.
the main issue is the false bravado and ego of ruling muslim elite who knows onli two things either exploit the weak till you can or when going gets tough take help of third party who is stronger to the person whome you have conflicting interests with but cant overpower him

they did the same when they count control marathaas and brought "company bahadur" and then in current times danced to british tunes and divided their own long term interests and then went to sit in USA's lap then started courting with GCC states and then with china and USA

now since as all parties know their modus opperandi and all assests and weaknesses . those parties (GCC states , USA & China)deal with "pakistani muslim elite "according to there terms which is hurting there egos way too much as what was there biggest asset has now turned into their biggest liabilty

in short ... NA TO KARWAAN HI MILLA NA WASAL E SANAM

NA IDHAR KE RAHE NA UDHAR KE ............:sarcastic:
 
You forgot to add parsis, jain and buddhists also.

I don't think at the moment Parsis are facing serious problems at the hands of extremist hindus.

Of course it may change in future, when they try to enforce "Ghar Wapsi" on them as well.
 
Yes we had lost a part of our country....we were thousands of miles apart and an enemy state was in the middle...Besides YOU haven't done it ... it is us who had done it due internal rifts......Indian wasn't capable of doing it then ... isn't capable of doing it now..... We are not seeking words from You guys ... bring it on.......We don't have any delusion that we are a smaller state but India has much much much more to loose than us ... and we now can destroy ... most of what India has... it would seize to exist as a nation....
Lol do not worry the world knows what India did to your nation.
Now talking of ceasing to exist actually it will be you will cease to exist if you want to try it you can try India will just loose 30 to 40 million people in a nuclear war because you don't have the guts to fight India conventionally so even in that equation we will still have a country of 1 billion people but there will not be any Pakistan left on the earth and your threats of nuking have become a joke day by day.
We are hearing from long that we will do this and that but what it does is
Cries in front of Uncle Sam, Cries in front of UN, now they will cry in front of commonwealth conference so just grow up some spine and annex Kashmir your jugular vein.
Till then I will enjoy the crying of Pakistan with popcorn.
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I don't think at the moment Parsis are facing serious problems at the hands of extremist hindus.

Of course it may change in future, when they try to enforce "Ghar Wapsi" on them as well.


:D Don't know much about Parsis, do you? They were always Zoroastrians, no "Ghar Wapsi" possible.
 
Are you THAT out of touch that our NSA meeting with our Military and Intelligence seems "odd" to you?
Apparently your PM and NSA were out of sync when they agreed for the NSA level meeting in Uffa without including Kashmir.
 
Mr Minhaz Merchant should go and man the borders for gun talking then as well.... NSA knows what he is doing and doesn't needs unsolicited advise from anyone.





MINHAZ MERCHANT

@minhazmerchant

Nursing a sore throat, Prime Minister Narendra Modi sat down to do a television interview just before campaigning for the 2014 Lok Sabha general election ended. His voice was hoarse, but the message clear. "Terror and talks," he told the interviewer when asked about his Pakistan policy, can't go hand in hand.

Speaking in Hindi, he added words to this effect: "Can you hear each other over the sound of gunfire?"

This Sunday (August 23), National Security Advisor Ajit Doval will host his Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz (who is also Pakistan's foreign affairs advisor) in New Delhi for talks. Meanwhile, Pakistani Rangers have launched multiple attacks in Jammu and Kashmir across the Line of Control (LoC) and the International Border (IB). Nearly 20 Indians - jawans and civilians - have been killed, including women and children. Before this spate of ceasefire violations, terrorists supported by the Pakistan army had attacked police posts in Gurdaspur and Udhampur killing several policemen and injuring many more.

So what will Doval and Aziz talk about this coming Sunday?

Doval will hand over another dossier of Pakistani complicity in the recent terror attacks.

Aziz will raise Kashmir.

Doval will question the release of 26/11 mastermind Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi.

Aziz will raise Samjhauta and Aseemanand.

Doval will complain about constant ceasefire violations by Pakistan across the LoC and IB.

Aziz will raise Siachen and Sir Creek.

In this dialogue of the deaf, nothing concrete can emerge. Aziz will return to Pakistan on Monday, August 24, smug in the satisfaction that he has achieved what he set out to: establishing Pakistani credibility, equivalence and legitimacy.

Examine each. Every time India engages with Pakistan, it enhances Islamabad's credibility at home and internationally. Its army and proxies kill Indians and yet India sits across the table to talk to it, extending to it full diplomatic courtesies. Pakistan punches above its weight just as India punches well below its.

Equivalence, after credibility, is what Pakistan craves most. By raising Samjhauta, it seeks to downplay 26/11 though the scale and degree of the two attacks were vastly different. For Pakistan, parity with India is an obsession. It knows its economy is one-ninth India's, its annual GDP growth half India's. It also knows that homegrown terror outfits like the Tehreek-e-Taliban and the growing Baloch insurgency could cut its territory into half over the next decade. Clinging to the mirage of parity with India keeps the "idea of Pakistan" alive though its expiry date looms ever-closer.

The Pakistani army and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) treat talks with India as a means to legitimise such false equivalence. There is a school of thought in India which believes the Pakistani army has ratcheted up terror attacks and ceasefire violations because Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had weakened Pakistan's position in his meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi at Ufa, Russia. This line of thinking suggests that recent Pakistani attacks are meant to sabotage the NSA talks on Sunday. Pakistan's invitation to Hurriyat separatists to meet Sartaj Aziz during his visit to Delhi reinforces this belief.

In reality the Pakistani army wants talks-and-terror to go hand in hand. It will needle India with the pre-talks Hurriyat invitation, ceasefire violations and terror attacks. It knows that the peace constituency in India remains strong, even within the Modi government. This emboldens it to engage in grandstanding. With or without talks - if India is forced to cancel them - Pakistan establishes its relevance.

For a failed, rogue nation, that is an achievement - and an indictment of India's poorly crafted Pakistan policy.

The Pakistani view

Domestic opinion in Pakistan is sharply divided over India. Brainwashed by anti-Indian history books in school and anti-India propaganda in the media, most Pakistanis fear Indian hegemony. Equivalence, however mythical, is the opium the Pakistani establishment and media anaesthetises them with.

For the Pakistani army, a mix of terror and talks is exactly what it wants. It keeps India off-balance and domestic public opinion happy. Aid-givers China and the United States know the game Islamabad is playing with its talks-and-terror-go-together strategy. Both pay lip service to India's anger over Pakistan-sponsored terror attacks and ceasefire violations but advise calm. It suits Washington's and Beijing's realpolitik to keep a rising power like India in check.

Should Doval look forward to a meaningful dialogue with Aziz on Sunday? Or will it give Pakistan the global photo-op it craves - and claim the make-believe equivalence with India that it craves even more?

India's position is that by engaging with Pakistan, New Delhi can corner Islamabad on its terror agenda. That's wishful thinking. India has been engaging Pakistan in such talks to achieve just such an objective for a over a decade. It hasn't worked. Pakistan will not confine NSA level talks to terrorism. It will raise J&K, Siachen, Sir Creek, Balochistan, Karachi and Samjhauta.

So should India give Pakistan the opportunity it seeks to establish legitimacy and equivalence?

Pakistan is fighting home-bred terror as well as an escalating freedom movement in its largest province Balochistan. Continuing a structured dialogue with Pakistan gives Islamabad a veil of respectability to cloak its terrorism. India should instead concentrate on strengthening its economy and military, implementing the proposal to build a new high-tech fence on the LoC that will make infiltration much harder, enhancing its covert operational capability behind enemy lines, and isolating Pakistan internationally. Playing nice with Islamabad has always backfired. Doval and Prime Minister Modi know this.

C Christine Fair, assistant professor in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University's Edmund A Walsh School of Foreign Service, questions India's keenness to continue talking to Pakistan - and its futility. She explains how the United States has helped feed the false equivalence between India and Pakistan and what India's options are - beyond talks:

"Much of this coverage of the so-called India-Pakistan conflict is deeply problematic in that writers, perhaps with good intentions, seek to impose a false equivalence on both nations' conduct, giving the impression that India and Pakistan contribute equally to the fraught situation that currently exists.

"This is dangerously untrue and feeds into a policy-process that has failed to come to terms with the most serious problem in South Asia: Pakistan. Such coverage also rewards Pakistan for its malfeasance by attributing blame to India in equal share and thus legitimizing Pakistan's ill-found grievances. The only parties who benefit from such an understanding of the 'Indo-Pakistan' dispute are the Pakistan military and its terrorist proxies.

"Curiously, all of the factors that allow Pakistan to use non-state actors to coerce India with impunity in principle should allow India to do the same. However, India has been remarkably constrained in the face of decades of Pakistani provocation. Incidentally, few media accounts of this dispute acknowledge this… After all, India's own nuclear arsenal, larger conventional capabilities, large economy, and more reputable standing in the comity of nations arguably position it to reciprocate in similar ways. Pakistan has no paucity of ethnic, sectarian, and socio-economic fissures that could be exploited by Indian covert operations and funds. Moreover, India enjoys much better ties with all of Pakistan's neighbours with the exception of China and could easily be more aggressive in using these neighbouring states to return the favours that Pakistan has bestowed upon India since 1947. Yet it hasn't.

"The current government… seems less insouciant about Pakistan's behavior and seems more inclined to find ways of punishing Pakistan for such outrages and deterring it in the future. The country's National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval, is a decorated veteran of India's intelligence community. This government, under Narendra Modi, responded very aggressively to shelling across the international border in Kashmir in the fall of 2014. Moreover, Doval very provocatively warned the Pakistanis that if they conduct another attack like Mumbai, Pakistan will lose Balochistan."

Doval is a hawk on Pakistan. So is the prime minister. Both though are pragmatic. They have responded robustly, as Christine Fair notes, to Pakistani ceasefire violations with "disproportionate" retaliation. Both men know where a red line, once drawn, must not be crossed.

When he meets Aziz, Doval should stop exchanging dossiers. His message should be short and sharp: "Last chance. After this, our guns will do the talking."

India should give Pakistan a last chance. Let the guns do the talking then
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NO LEADER IN INDIA OR PAKISTAN has a SPINE TO COME TO A DECISIVE AGREEMENT REGARDING ISSUES.

So talks will keep failing for another decade i guess
decade? you are very optimistic.
 

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