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Surgical strike was just a land grabbing farce

Crossed border by mistake? Lolll... But even if they give this so called excuse of crossing border by mistake..they could give some other dates other than 28th sep? They could say..some of our soldiers crossed border by mistake, after 28th? No? It could be a face saving for them?
I think Pak army should not agree at any cost, to return their soldiers without them accepting the number of dead bodies too, and along with tht, their soldiers crossing border... Otherwise..indians will still believe the excuse tht yes..their soldeirs crossed inadvertently , any day after 28th......we should by all means make sure to shame indian army and make them accept tht nothing like sir gi kal strike happened at all.. We should not let them give any excuse to indian public

They have already given this excuse for the one who got captured as per our media (PA hasn't confirmed his capture as of yet).

They can't give the same reason for all others until PA says that it is hosting them in its guest rooms, and PA is not going to inform them until it gets all the information from them. PA may not inform about the capture forever. India had been keeping one of our soldiers since 1965 without letting us know. Allah knows how many more do they have.

Soldiers are returned when they cross the borders in times of peace. Indian soldiers crossed border with a sole purpose to inflict harm and we don't have any responsibility to disclose any information about them. We call it bull**** when they say that a soldier crossed the border on the same night in the same area by mistake when/ where they were claiming conducting a sir-gi-kal strike.
 
I understand the bulges criss-cross into each others territory but still to imagine to grab the posts in such a geography would mean get butchered in a matter of hours if not minutes. So, I am not sure if that could have been the agenda

Would make certain sense if there is a post on a certain bulge that goes well inside Indian side of LoC and is surrounded by at least 3 sides by Indians already
 
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Local Kashmiri youths with director ISPR near LOC.

Have learnt from reliable source that the whole Indian exercise the misnomer surgical strikes was in fact just a land grabbing mis-adventure by the Indian army. The aim was to attack some Pakistani posts and capture them. In the process they also wanted to capture some Pakistani soldiers and present them before the media issuing false statements. However the Indian assault was immediately countered and beaten back. After the Uri attack, the Indian army under pressure wanted to acquit it'self by claiming some Pakistani posts and showing some Pakistani soldiers as either the so called militants or their protectors. During the whole episode no Indian soldier was able to come anywhere near Pakistani territory let alone set foot on it. Since the Indian mis-adventure backfired spectacularly they instead decided to create another false bravado of surgical strikes. Ironically Indians still yet have to disclose their losses which was the main reason they retreated.
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Sorry our mission was to avenge our soliders death by killing terrorists. It's not to capture any post ad it will be foolish not to use air power and exclusive muscle power. We did our job and came back safely with minor injuries to 2 of our jawans.

Who ever told this now want to divert as many in Pakistan now can feel some sense that something is not right in PA version of story. . .
 
Sorry our mission was to avenge our soliders death by killing terrorists. It's not to capture any post ad it will be foolish not to use air power and exclusive muscle power. We did our job and came back safely with minor injuries to 2 of our jawans.

Who ever told this now want to divert as many in Pakistan now can feel some sense that something is not right in PA version of story. . .
Yes your mission was to SHOWBOAT to home audience but in process you ended up getting more killed.
And yes you did try to use muscle power but you forget that you left your proteins behind.....unless off course you think we have just a Somalian Pirate in our custody.

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Hmm.. But ..if ispr had told abt indian losses, the exact number..wouldnt indian media and public hav gone crazy asking for an explanation from indian gov/army..regd what exactly happened? Right now..majority of indian public is stull under false illusion tht maybe surgical strikes happened...despite diff versions given by india each day.but if their loss was mentioned by ispr, they would have dug more deep into it, asking their army either to prove ispr wrong or give explanation.. This would have further diminshed any credibilty of indian army.. Right now..indian government and army is hiding behind the facade tht they are not releasing video due to fear of tactics being exposed...but if they had a specific number ..given by ispr..there was no way..indian media would have left it alone.. Either indian army would hv to prove ispr wrong or otheriwse their credibility would have been totally diminshed..

You do know that you're talking about a 'public' which still believes that the "surgical strikes" happened? Why haven't their media dug any deeper into this when everything points towards it being a blatant lie? You don't know Indians very well.

No.. Ispr didnt say tht officially.. The only statement tht came from Asim bajwa in the press conf was tht we are sure tht there are casualties on indian side..but nothing further... Abt half a dozen indian bodies lying in open, these were only leaked through "sources" but not officially through ispr.... Leave indian public, if not india, we should have told it for the sake of international public, the amount of loss, india imcurred, while attempting the so called 'surgical strike". From every angle, it would have added to india's shame...

With the military there was and is a lot going on. They lie for their consumption, we omit for our benefit. There's a reason why Indian posts were still burning a week after the incident and you didn't hear any cries from them.

Anyway, first we must realise that India as a state and as a society has no shame. Otherwise Kashmir was enough for them to feel ashamed. The international public doesn't care either.

Regardless, tell me, what would be more embarrassing than you come out beating your chest, claiming dozens of kills in a very audacious operation but your enemy calls you out for it, mockingly ridicules your claim, says that nothing even happened, demands proof for it and shows proof for the contrary. In answer you have nothing, can't produce anything. You start hopping around the whole place, contradicting your own self every other day, can't even produce the proofs you claimed you had, your own politicians start questioning you, you still have nothing. Then in your frustration and bewilderment you start blaming questioners for treason and make a complete mockery out of your claim of being the worlds "largest democracy". At this moment you know that the jig is up but you still can't admit it so you layer contradictory lies upon contradictory lies further embarrassing yourself. You madam, not only just made a complete fool out of yourself but also made it amply clear that you are so helpless against your adversary that the only choice you have left is fabricating flimsy stories to satisfy your people and even that you are so utterly incompetent at doing. On top of it all, you are being beaten to a pulp by the said adversary and you can't even complain about it. He keeps slapping you and telling you that "nothing happened, everything is ok" at the same time.

Pakistan by proving the surgical strikes are fake is shooting itself in the foot. If India has managed to appease its public by faking the surgical strike as you lot believe, isn't it good, you didn't suffer no damage and India wont be taking any severe steps to retaliate for URI, things will go back to normalcy i.e. LOC skirmishes.

Just like before you again grossly overestimated yourselves. Our stance is simple. Nothing happened because you can't do anything. And since you can't do anything you won't do anything even after we have rubbed your face in the lies you tried to peddle. Nobody is buying Indian "severe steps to retaliate" rhetoric. And if you really can then come, let's have a go at it instead of fabricating such utterly embarrassing and transparent lies.

India was demanding blood of the 'terrorists' not Pakistanis. Indians claimed they did it, people are buying it. Why is it making Pakistani's so insecure?
Sure deny it and say well it didn't happen so we aren't even going to comment on it.

This is even more hilarious than your claims of a "surgical strike". Let me get this straight, you lie about a strike you never did and then want your enemy to stay quiet and implicitly accept and admit that your lie is the truth? Just because it does not affect us tangibly? Why would we give India that favour? Talk about being insecure......if you don't want us ruining your party then ask your government to present proofs. But you won't do that because no matter how hard you try you know that their claims are mere lies.

But why go to the extent of beefing up your side of the LOC, doing relentless firing across LOC.

Because, maybe, just maybe, you fired upon our posts? Do you ever make sense? And what beefing up of the LOC? That 5 battalion claim? Please don't tell me that you believed it. Deploying 5 battalions within a day in a region as rugged as AJK, hilarious!

I mean I know we all are nationalistic but it doesn't hurt to question your establishment. Not everything they say has to be true you know.

Good that you've finally realised that. So what of your country's flimsy claims about the "surgical strike"?


Have you listened to it? Kindly provide a transcript of the conversation because, even though the authenticity of the recording is beyond suspect, the man on the phone didn't say anything that is being claimed by the article or your government.
 
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Have you listened to it? Kindly provide a transcript of the conversation because, even though the authenticity of the recording is beyond suspect, the man on the phone didn't say anything that is being claimed by the article or your government.

Keep believing what makes you happy.

BJP makes an announcement.
If there were no strikes. I don't think a supposedly Right Wing party will make such claims which if proven false (not by jokers on your side) will be a permanent death knell to them.

More so making a claim is difficult. Denying is pretty easy. Pak has been denying all sorts of things forever. Who gives a F***.
 
Keep believing what makes you happy.

BJP makes an announcement.
If there were no strikes. I don't think a supposedly Right Wing party will make such claims which if proven false (not by jokers on your side) will be a permanent death knell to them.

More so making a claim is difficult. Denying is pretty easy. Pak has been denying all sorts of things forever. Who gives a F***.
And who gives two monkeys to what the Bhartis bark
Spy Pigeons, fishing boats, suspicious balloons....we have all heard it before.
The worst you losers can do is stop playing cricket. :lol:
 
Just like before you again grossly overestimated yourselves. Our stance is simple. Nothing happened because you can't do anything. And since you can't do anything you won't do anything even after we have rubbed your face in the lies you tried to peddle. Nobody is buying Indian "severe steps to retaliate" rhetoric. And if you really can then come, let's have a go at it instead of fabricating such utterly embarrassing and transparent lies.

Well what Indians choose to believe shouldn't be your concern now should it? We don't care if Pakistanis believe Hafiz Saeed to be the mother teresa of Pakistan, we still label him a terrorist and inshallah one day if you are unable to finish him off, our forces will help you do it.

This is even more hilarious than your claims of a "surgical strike". Let me get this straight, you lie about a strike you never did and then want your enemy to stay quiet and implicitly accept and admit that your lie is the truth? Just because it does not affect us tangibly? Why would we give India that favour? Talk about being insecure......if you don't want us ruining your party then ask your government to present proofs. But you won't do that because no matter how hard you try you know that their claims are mere lies.

Again, you saying it doesn't make it a lie or us saying it doesn't make it true. Indians are happy without the proof, we trust our arm forces. Why is it making you guys so insecure though? Why are you hell bent on proving it didn't happen?

To me it seems like your military doesn't want to risk retaliation hence is playing it down as fake. Because if they acknowledge it, people will ask them to retaliate, so it can go to war which I am sure your side doesn't want any more than ours do.

Because, maybe, just maybe, you fired upon our posts? Do you ever make sense? And what beefing up of the LOC? That 5 battalion claim? Please don't tell me that you believed it. Deploying 5 battalions within a day in a region as rugged as AJK, hilarious!

What about Gen. Shareef coming out and saying he is happy with your preparation at the border? They are just there for picnic now is it?

Good that you've finally realised that. So what of your country's flimsy claims about the "surgical strike"?


I don't take everything our government says as gospel, like you guys do with your army, but with what they have done it has de-escalated the issue. That is a win for me. Maybe you enjoy the prospect of war so that your mighty soldiers can show ours what they are capable of, but don't realize the lives that will be lost or how disastrous it would be for our economies. So I'd suggest you to play COD or some sort of games to have your fill for violence.
 
Keep believing what makes you happy.

BJP makes an announcement.
If there were no strikes. I don't think a supposedly Right Wing party will make such claims which if proven false (not by jokers on your side) will be a permanent death knell to them.

More so making a claim is difficult. Denying is pretty easy. Pak has been denying all sorts of things forever. Who gives a F***.

Honestly the way the Pak has reacted is proof enough that the strike did take place, maybe our side exaggerated about no casualties or the size of pounding they inflicted on terrorists just to make it sound grandeur but Pak has given it away with its over-reaction to the whole subject.

Look at Pak's reaction to the "fake" Surgical strike: (Which they claim to be as routine LOC Firing)

Sharif condemned India's "NAKED AGGRESSION" which was fake, now this is interesting.
They bring in foreign media to LoC to show "hey look, nothing happened here" like they do always after a LOC skirmish
They beef up their troops and increase the intensity of firing across LoC
 
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Local Kashmiri youths with director ISPR near LOC.

Have learnt from reliable source that the whole Indian exercise the misnomer surgical strikes was in fact just a land grabbing mis-adventure by the Indian army. The aim was to attack some Pakistani posts and capture them. In the process they also wanted to capture some Pakistani soldiers and present them before the media issuing false statements. However the Indian assault was immediately countered and beaten back. After the Uri attack, the Indian army under pressure wanted to acquit it'self by claiming some Pakistani posts and showing some Pakistani soldiers as either the so called militants or their protectors. During the whole episode no Indian soldier was able to come anywhere near Pakistani territory let alone set foot on it. Since the Indian mis-adventure backfired spectacularly they instead decided to create another false bravado of surgical strikes. Ironically Indians still yet have to disclose their losses which was the main reason they retreated.
@Tipu7 @Arsalan @DESERT FIGHTER @Indus Falcon @The Eagle @Side-Winder @Irfan Baloch @HRK


See what you Prime Minister talks about army....



http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/Musharraf+behind+Kargil+war:+Nawaz+Sharif/1/30025.html


Sharif maintained that the war of 1999 had been initiated by Musharraf by attacking India without his knowledge but he (Sharif) had taken "responsibility for everything to save military's reputation and dignity".

"Musharraf attacked Kargil and I had no information about this military operation," the PML(N) president told a meeting of party's general council at Raiwind in Lahore.

"I came to know of it when I got a phone call from Atal Bihari Vajpayee 'saheb'. He asked me -- 'what have you done after I returned from your country with good feelings... Your army has attacked our army'," he said.

Sharif said he then called up Musharraf and the latter confirmed what Vajpayee had said.

Vajpayee had undertaken a bus ride to Lahore on February 19, 1999. The Kargil conflict began three months later.

Apparently hinting that the Pakistan military action had proved to be a disaster, Sharif said, "You all know what were the consequences of that war. Musharraf asked me to contact Clinton and somehow ensure an end to the war."

Sharif said he immediately got in touch with Clinton, whom he described as a "friend". Sharif told Clinton he wanted to meet him the very next day, and the US president agreed to receive him in Washington.



Nawaz Sharif is saving Pakistan army reputation again. Just wait for 5/6 years he will reveal everything himself.

Nawaz Sharif is saving Pakistan army reputation again. Just wait for 5/6 years he will reveal everything himself.
 

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