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  • Q: You are going on a tangent, where did I say Riwat is not what you said?
    A: I'm lumping together relevant bits to make it easier for you to understand.

    Q: You mean to say that all the Pakistanis which were part of ancient India were Muslims, I dont think that is what you said.
    A: First, there is no such thing as "ancient India". The Sumerians called it Meluhha. The Anglo term is Sub-continent. And from the beginning I have taken a non-religious line of thought. I mentioned repeatedly that the archeological sites of Indus Valley Civilization or Harappa or Mohenjo-daro are neither Hindu nor Muslim. And I am talking about 60,000BC-75,000BC here, neither Hinduism nor Islam was around then. So I'm not sure how I gave you this impression.
    Q: and what are you arguing on is something I cannot understand now, I though you were denying the fact that modern Pakistan was not the birth place of Hindusim, if you did not argue on that point, I did waste yours and mine...
    A: My post to you earlier in the forum stated clearly that modern-India has its roots in Pakistan, not the other way around. All the early archeological sites are in Pakistan including Riwat (1.9 million years ago) and even the civilizations that spawned modern-India, are again in Pakistan. That's re-iterated in the mitochondrial DNA make up of modern Indians which traces its roots back to Ancestral North Indians.
    Just want to make it clear that I have nothing against India or Indians or even Hinduism for that matter. I respect our past and even our common shared ancestry. So its nothing personal.
    You are wasting your and my time, to be honest. I asked you:

    1. How is it Homo Sapiens (60,000 B.C.) moved from Africa to modern-day India without crossing the Arabian Peninsula and even modern-Pakistan? This is where Riwat comes in.

    2. The precursor to Dravidian or Hinduism or even Islam in Sub-consent are what biologists refers to as Ancestral North Indians (modern day-Pashtuns and Sindhis) and the Indus Valley Civilization which is again near Sindh, Pakistan. IVC is neither Hindu nor Muslim.

    3. You somehow have the notion that Africans evolved to Dravidian without anything in between. Not possible.

    I'm taking a scientific line of thought and everything is based on mitochondrial DNA research, so it isn't open for interpretation. You should read David Reich's paper. It has several Indian contributors and very well-cited.
    You are missing the plot and evading the question.

    1. Do you dispute Egypt's claim to their heritage and what is on their land? This is despite the fact that ancient Egyptians weren't Muslim or area wasnt called Egypt. To add, Lebanon, Syria, and Cyprus "claim to have claims" to the ancient Egyptians civilization.

    2. Indus Valley Civilization wasn't Hindu or Muslim nor was sub-continent referred to Bharat or Hindustan or even India back then. So how do you claim that to be yours?

    3. Just like modern humans evolved in Namibia, Africa and that is part of their heritage. Riwat is part of Pakistan's heritage. By your ideas, Namibian or even Africans should stop claiming to be the first evolved Homo sapiens. Screw the science.

    If you like to prove me wrong, kindly tell me how can the modern-Humans move from modern-Africa to modern-India in one giant leap over Pangaea without first crossing Arabian Peninsula, modern-Iran and modern-Pakistan?
    Pakistan will have to get involved it will not have any other option not only Pakistan but most Muslim countries will get involved
    Sir you will never understand it not fighting for KSA will create Civil war in Pakistan because KSA has MAKKAH and Madinah in it and even a slight damage to them will result in every Muslim Country getting involved in war with Israel because they will not have any other option
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