Zarvan

nobody is calling for islamic banking, there are protests surely, but that is because these countries are free and anybody can raise their voice.

salam zarvan, believe me they are not failing and certainly not collapse. there are surely problems, but we shouldnt interpret it as collapse/failing. over time things will look better. there were problmes back then as well which was solved over time.

That in no way justifies the murder of Salman Tasseer, when did he commit blasphemy? If justice is to be meted out on streets then what was the reason Islam came into this world? The pre-Islamic pagan societies were already performing this act with great vigour. And where does it say in the Quran that the punishment for blasphemy is death? I remember reading:

"And when they ridicule your God and his messenger, do not abuse their (false) gods, rather turn away from them and say to them salam"

"Sir you can't follow most orders of Quran without following Hadees because Quran mostly have only orders but not details even no detail of Salah is in Quran only order to offer it but not not mentioned "
Why the hell do you keep misreading plain English?

yes fatH = opening.

What exactly do you mean when you say 'blasphemy' then? Those people were punished because their crimes and their persecution of the believers had been just so great.

Knowledge, yours and mine, is too little that we don't know or understand the context of the aHadiith, and it is therefore dangerous to quote them. I think we'd have to answer about that on the day everyone stands.

ma3assalaamah.

Anyway zavran, I'm taking a few days break and won't be able to continue this conversation nor my participation on the forum.

assalamo3alak,

Do you mean the people ordered to be killed after the opening of Makkah and then later forgiven?

You and me don't have the right to quote Sahiih Bukhari.

No it isn't, the more I read about it the more the proof seems to negate you.

Listen, you misunderstood what I told you. I meant that you can't just say something just like that. If you follow Islamic scholarship standards, you have to back your statements with asnaad. Your statements on this thread and in this convo have zero value according to that standard I'm afraid.

Salaam.

Fools will not learn neither will they evolve. Now go back to you Mullah in the cave and sleep tight with him or his son

Argument makes no sense. Did God make that ball in front of you? No. Some factory made the ball. Humans are created by procreative sex between male and females. Universe did come into existence by the Big Bang Theory. Should read up on it if you haven't. God has had nothing to do with balls, humans or universe. Its just a man-made concept that people have fruitlessly been fighting over for centuries.

I don't know how your irrational approach of something existing implies that some God or Allah created it. Look at it this way, if everything has to be created, then who created God? I mean someone should have created him if we are to believe your argument that everything is created by someone.

You look cool

Saying something without proof (sanad or sultaan) is something inadmissible in Islam.

Alright dude I get it. btw, is this your pic in hte profile?

I am not Sir, secondly I dont need to...

Alright, thank for the info

i see you as a person sub standard to my level of thinking, so please spare me by not wrtting to me.
Is AIDS because of liberalism or is there other factors, if you think everything that the world is changing as against ISLAM, then go to hell.