3 more OHP class Frigates to be delivered to Pakistan between 2014-2016.

[Basel]

OHP class is frigate but F-22P is competing with our Corvettes & OPVs.

Thanks for info, now what is interesting to see is after having 4 OHP ships what kind of upgrade and weapons system PN will go for, they may try to make them their primary air defense vessels with other capabilities as secondary.

 

[Manindra]

Thanks for info, now what is interesting to see is after having 4 OHP ships what kind of upgrade and weapons system PN will go for, they may try to make them their primary air defense vessels with other capabilities as secondary.

You need to add SAM, anti shop missile & cruise missile in it & Turkey can give it genesis upgrade then it would be very potent weapon. F-22P sucks

 

[Basel]

You need to add SAM, anti shop missile & cruise missile in it & Turkey can give it genesis upgrade then it would be very potent weapon. F-22P sucks

If PN some how upgrade OHPs to these standards (link below) than F-22Ps will not suck because they need stong air defense protection and in this kind of protection they can bring hell to IN.

Sachsen Class (F124) - Naval Technology

Further F-22Ps are not as bad as many think, if they were that bad then why PN did not go for Type 54-As, where PM Yousuf Raza Gilani had signed lease agreement for 2 Type-54s along with 6 subs during his visit to China, the news has been circulated locally that new F-22Ps will be Superior to Type-54A, and here is what Type-54-A capability link.

Type 054A frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Manindra]

If PN some how upgrade OHPs to these standards (link below) than F-22Ps will not suck because they need stong air defense protection and in this kind of protection they can bring hell to IN.

Sachsen Class (F124) - Naval Technology

Further F-22Ps are not as bad as many think, if they were that bad then why PN did not go for Type 54-As, where PM Yousuf Raza Gilani had signed lease agreement for 2 Type-54s along with 6 subs during his visit to China, the news has been circulated locally that new F-22Ps will be Superior to Type-54A, and here is what Type-54-A capability link.

Type 054A frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This give PN a good deterence but where is money ?
F-22P is cost effective solution for PN.

 

[Basel]

This give PN a good deterence but where is money ?
F-22P is cost effective solution for PN.

If you are taking about China & Turkey then they are ready to provide long term loans on soft conditions and China can also be repaid by raw material or other goods, Pakistan and China have an agreement to trade in local currencies which make is less expensive too.

@Penguin I will like to have your opinion regarding upgrade potential of those 4 OHPs and to what level & system wise PN can get them upgraded as per their conditions?

 

[Manindra]

If you are taking about China & Turkey then they are ready to provide long term loans on soft conditions and China can also be repaid by raw material or other goods, Pakistan and China have an agreement to trade in local currencies which make is less expensive too.

Turkey is in position to provide technology but not soft loans & Chinese are give enough loans to you & they are holding 36 J-10B & 6 Qing class submarine deal due to non availibility of funds.

 

[Basel]

Turkey is in position to provide technology but not soft loans & Chinese are give enough loans to you & they are holding 36 J-10B & 6 Qing class submarine deal due to non availibility of funds.

Those six sub have to be constructed and funds are not always the main issue if it was then PN would have not ordered more F-22Ps but some times its our political mess too.

For J-10B, PAF will only go for them when IAF will give go ahead to Rafales, because they will customize it as per new threat perception and now there is news on PDF that J-10C is ready which is similar to Silent Hornet if true PAF may know it since long and they might be waiting for a good avionics and stealthy J-10 version to be called FC-20.

 

[Manindra]

Those six sub have to be constructed and funds are not always the main issue if it was then PN would have not ordered more F-22Ps but some times its our political mess too.

For J-10B, PAF will only go for them when IAF will give go ahead to Rafales, because they will customize it as per new threat perception and now there is news on PDF that J-10C is ready which is similar to Silent Hornet if true PAF may know it since long and they might be waiting for a good avionics and stealthy J-10 version to be called FC-20.

Rafale is another league compare to J10 B or C, its more a ground attack fighter with multirole capabilities. J10 real competition is from Su-30 MKI , MIG-29 UPG or K
FC-20 is another name of J-10 its not a different version just like JF-17 is called FC-1
PAF seriously needs J-10B to complement their F-16 fighters & its clearly stated by PAF officials & other bureaucrats that J-10B deal is put on hold due to financial reason.
Money makes all possible if PN got sufficient budget then they never order F-22P in those big number but other more capable warships.

 

[rockstar08]

Rafale is another league compare to J10 B or C, its more a ground attack fighter with multirole capabilities. J10 real competition is from Su-30 MKI , MIG-29 UPG or K
FC-20 is another name of J-10 its not a different version just like JF-17 is called FC-1
PAF seriously needs J-10B to complement their F-16 fighters & its clearly stated by PAF officials & other bureaucrats that J-10B deal is put on hold due to financial reason.
Money makes all possible if PN got sufficient budget then they never order F-22P in those big number but other more capable warships.

dude first of all f-16's are not a kind of aircraft you cant underestimate its excellent performance record . and j-10b/c will to counter rafale if IAF gets them , ever heard about f-16 blk50/52 and MLU ? and blockII jf-17 is already started ... after j-10 we will have everything to counter your IAF . and by the end of 2016 block-III jf-17 will come out with many many more upgrades .
feel free to search on PDF i am a lazy person to provide you links

 

[Manindra]

dude first of all f-16's are not a kind of aircraft you cant underestimate its excellent performance record . and j-10b/c will to counter rafale if IAF gets them , ever heard about f-16 blk50/52 and MLU ? and blockII jf-17 is already started ... after j-10 we will have everything to counter your IAF . and by the end of 2016 block-III jf-17 will come out with many many more upgrades .
feel free to search on PDF i am a lazy person to provide you links

Rafale is mainly for ground attack role which you didn't have answer. F-16 MLU is not on the par with BLOCK 52. PAF Block 52 is not in the par with USAF F-16 Block 52. Our MIG-29K are slightly better than this. Kindly note that PAF have only 18 F-16 Block 52.
Tejas MK1 have more feature than JF-17 Block II.

 

[rockstar08]

Rafale is mainly for ground attack role which you didn't have answer. F-16 MLU is not on the par with BLOCK 52. PAF Block 52 is not in the par with USAF F-16 Block 52. Our MIG-29K are slightly better than this. Kindly note that PAF have only 18 F-16 Block 52.
Tejas MK1 have more feature than JF-17 Block II.

dude i told you to update yourself , Jf-17 is multirole fighter , and check out the recent upgrades on blk50/52 , and if you are talking about the Tejas which is yet to become a reality since last 30 years so i feel sorry for you ...
there is a separate thread for f-16blk 50/52 vs miG-29 you can kindly visit ..
again i am lazy to found it for you

 

[Basel]

Rafale is another league compare to J10 B or C, its more a ground attack fighter with multirole capabilities. J10 real competition is from Su-30 MKI , MIG-29 UPG or K
FC-20 is another name of J-10 its not a different version just like JF-17 is called FC-1
PAF seriously needs J-10B to complement their F-16 fighters & its clearly stated by PAF officials & other bureaucrats that J-10B deal is put on hold due to financial reason.
Money makes all possible if PN got sufficient budget then they never order F-22P in those big number but other more capable warships.

True for J-10s but PAF will have its own customize version which will be called FC-20, PAF is delaying it because they want most advance variant which surpasses F-16 Block-60s and now J-10B is near/same to block-52s in terms of avionics, as per its design it ahead of F-16s. What PAF want is a fighter which is multirole but with strong air dominance capabilities which they lack now.

For you Rafale is for ground attack in primary role but you dont understand that it is much more of a concern for PAF then MKIs air dominance as it will be stealthy at low level interdiction and with very good weapons & avionics. PAF always had concern of low level strike package of IAF since 80s Mig-27s, Mig-23s & Jag escorted with Mig-29s or M2Ks was seen as major threat, so now you can understand where Rafale stand because it is a combination of all 80s IAF strike package planes.

 

[arp2041]

Brilliant deal.
I wonder why India doesnt acquire such ships from US, if anything to reduce their availability to Pakistan.

You mean under the same conditions as INS Jalashwa ----> Not to use in war, on site inspections, blah blah blah??

 

[Contrarian]

You mean under the same conditions as INS Jalashwa ----> Not to use in war, on site inspections, blah blah blah??

We have different onsite conditions. They are different from the standard US protocols.
They would get to see the log books instead of physical inspection.

And yes, for patrol vessels, there really is no need for them to go to war. They can be easily used for patrol duties.
Its a question of prioritizing. I think spending and making front line warships at high cost makes more sense than expending high cost on second line ships which are easily available from elsewhere. The savings can be directed towards more front line warships.

 

[Srinivas]

Brilliant deal.
I wonder why India doesnt acquire such ships from US, if anything to reduce their availability to Pakistan.

USA is helping Pakistani navy, just like they used to do earlier. It is like china and USA are vying for the influence in Pakistani armed forces, But USA is miles ahead in this game.