'After 2001 Parliament attack, India deployed nuclear missiles on border'

[Imran Khan]

wow one African American ugly old women can say something and indian Pakistanis dancing here sine 24 hours sharam kero kuch

us se to koi shadi ker raha yaar

 

[raje]

a article by BrigGen (ret) Dr. Muhammad Aslam Khan Niazi (Pakistani army) about our "cold start doc" the news that pak was nervous and yelling to the world that it would be attacked by india post oparl attacks and even more after mumbai attacks showed pak pretends to be a lion by sake of its nukes but in reality is a chiken and i doubt it will ever touch the nukes even in a war india geographly can absorp a nuke attack but what would pak do, its a different thing that india has a whole lots of issues like developement corruption etc and is not intrested in war but dont test our patience

 

[illusion8]

wow one African American ugly old women can say something and indian Pakistanis dancing here sine 24 hours sharam kero kuch

us se to koi shadi ker raha yaar

Aap kar lo, aapke baarath mein zaroor nachein ge.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

One of the reasons that kept India away from attacking must have been the capabilities of its missiles.. SRBM means only Prithvi-1 with range of 150 kms, not ample to carry out any nuclear strike.

Yes, conventional war was really on door steps..

we tested Agni 1 and Agni 2 prior to 2001 successfully 150km to 750km to over 2,000km besides Jalandhar to Lahore is less than 150km

and all we have to do is place Prithvi missiles in Punjab and Kashmir and we can easily wipe out a good portion of your Punjab with Prithvi missiles learn geography in any case SRBM's can do the job for both sides.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

your own scientists said that the indian nuke tests were a fizzle and failed?

the hydrogen bomb in 98 was partially unsuccessful but our fission devices had no flaws and our fission based devices are enough to turn your cities into nuclear wastelands more information on Indian warheads there RV's and there yields on there respective missiles are here http://www.indiaresearch.org/Shourya_Missile.pdf


in comparison our nukes yield much more compared to yours... your nuclear tests were over exaggerated and many scientists across the world said that the largest device only yielded 2KT proof below

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists - Google Books

 

[Imran Khan]

we tested Agni 1 and Agni 2 prior to 2001 successfully 150km to 750km to over 2,000km besides Jalandhar to Lahore is less than 150km

and all we have to do is place Prithvi missiles in Punjab and Kashmir and we can easily wipe out a good portion of your Punjab with Prithvi missiles learn geography in any case SRBM's can do the job for both sides.

try to remember 3 tests in a week.


On May 24 2002 Pakistan flight-tested for the third time its 1,300-kilometer-range, liquid-fueled, road-mobile Haft-V missile, also known as the Ghauri.

May 26,2002 Pakistan tested its 290-kilometer-range, solid-fueled, mobile Hatf-3 missile

Two days later 28 May 2002, Pakistan completed its testing series by firing a 180-kilometer-range, solid-fueled, mobile missile known as the Haft-2, or Abdali.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Its a no first use policy against non nuclear states.Not Nuclear states like pakistan

"No first use against non-nuclear states", what a crap statement.

No use against non-nuclear states makes more sense.

 

[Emmie]

Not only are your facts wrong..more over you need to go check your sources about the yields.

All fission devices except one(which was actually a weapon) were experimental tests..we demonstrated that we have ability to build right from subkiloton warheads(needed for destroying enemy troop concentrations without harming the nearby areas) to thermonuclear warheads(needed for destroying huge cities)

This is the variety you do not have.

Over again you are being drifted away by your patriotism, leaving behind nothing but jingoism....You can match the data I shared with the data you shared at page 2 or 3 of this thread, kindly read it before you throw down your gauntlets.. Info that I shared had nothing to do with the purposes of the devices, I was just making a point on the low yield devices.

A total of five nuclear weapons were detonate during Operation Shakti. They were:

Shakti I

A two stage thermonuclear device with a boosted fission primary, its yield was downgraded from 200 kt (theoretical) to 45 kt for test purposes.

Shakti II

A pure fission device using the Plutonium implosion design with a yield of 15 kt. The device tested was an actual nuclear warhead that can be delivered by bombers or fighters and also mounted on a missile. The warhead was an improved, lightweight and miniaturized version of the device tested in 1974. Scientists at BARC had been working to improve the 1974 design for many years. Data from the 1974 test was used to carry out computer simulations using the indigenous Param supercomputer to improve the design. The 1998 test was intended to prove the validity of the improved designs.

Shakti III

An experimental boosted fission device that used reactor grade Plutonium for its primary with a yield of 0.3 kt. This test device was used to test only the primary stage. It did not contain any tritium required to boost the fission. This test was designed to study the possibility of using reactor grade plutonium in warheads and also to prove India's expertise in controlling and damping a nuclear explosion in order to achieve a low (sub-kiloton) yield.

Shakti IV
A 0.5 kt experimental device. The test's only purpose was to collect data about the explosion process and to study the performance of various bomb components.

Shakti V

A 0.2 kt experimental device that used U-233, an isotope of uranium that is not found in nature but is produced in India's fast breeder reactors that consume Thorium. This device too was used to collect data.

NOW MATCH IT WITH MY VERSION

India conducted five nuclear tests on May 11 and 13, 1998 at the Pokhran range in Rajasthan which included a 45 kiloton (kt) thermonuclear device, called as hydrogen bomb in common parlance.

The other tests on May 11 included a 15 kt fission device and a 0.2 kt sub-kiloton device. The two simultaneous nuclear tests on May 13 were also in the sub-kiloton range -- 0.5 and 0.3 kt.

Kalam, also scientific adviser to the defence minister, R Chidambaram who was chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission and Anil Kakodkar, then director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, were key players in the Pokhran II nuclear tests.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-27/india/28154379_1_nuclear-tests-pokhran-ii-nuclear-explosions

BTW three out of four(fission devices) were in the sub-kiloton range, and one needs no elaboration on sub-kiloton range devices. As for as yield is concern please listen to Mr. Santhanam, he had a lot to say.

thermonuclear warheads(needed for destroying huge cities)

So you mean you have TN warhead at this point in time? Well, the type of results that TN device gave long back puts your claim in grave danger.

This is the variety you do not have

We know our priorities and requirements and we are very much in the window.. Our policy is to go ahead with credible minimum deterrence..

 

[Imran Khan]

2001 December - India imposes sanctions against Pakistan, to force it to take action against two Kashmir militant groups blamed for a suicide attack on parliament in New Dehli. Pakistan retaliates with similar sanctions.

2001 December - India, Pakistan mass troops along common border amid mounting fears of a looming war.
Street in Chakothi, on the Pakistani side of Kashmir's line of control
Tensions with India over Kashmir go back decades




2002 January - President Musharraf bans two militant groups - Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad - and takes steps to curb religious extremism.


Missile tests

2002 May - Pakistan test fires three medium-range missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, amid rumours of impending conflict with India. President Musharraf says Pakistan does not want war, but is ready to respond with full force if attacked.

2002 June - Britain and US maintain mount offensive to avert war.

2002 May - Pakistan test fires three medium-range missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, amid rumours of impending conflict with India. President Musharraf says Pakistan does not want war, but is ready to respond with full force if attacked.


BBC News - Timeline: Pakistan

 

[MrIndianSikh]

try to remember 3 tests in a week.


On May 24 2002 Pakistan flight-tested for the third time its 1,300-kilometer-range, liquid-fueled, road-mobile Haft-V missile, also known as the Ghauri.

May 26,2002 Pakistan tested its 290-kilometer-range, solid-fueled, mobile Hatf-3 missile

Two days later 28 May 2002, Pakistan completed its testing series by firing a 180-kilometer-range, solid-fueled, mobile missile known as the Haft-2, or Abdali.

what you guys did in 2002 we did many years before with Prithvi and Agni successfully


Prithvi I class was a surface-to-surface missile having a maximum warhead mounting capability of 1,000 kg, with a range of 150 km. It has an accuracy of 10 – 50 metres and can be launched from Transporter erector launchers. This class of Prithvi missile was inducted into the Indian Army in 1994.

Prithvi II class is also a single stage liquid-fuelled missile having a maximum warhead mounting capability of 500 kg, but with an extended range of 250 kilometres. It was developed with the Indian Air Force being the primary user. It was first test-fired on January 27, 1996

The Agni-II was first tested on 11 April 1999 at 9:47 a.m. IST (Indian Standard Time), from a converted rail carriage, with a carriage roof that slides open to allow the missile to be raised to the vertical for launch by two large hydraulic pistons. The launch process is controlled from a separate railcar. The missile was launched from the IC-4 pad at Wheeler Island, Balasore. Splash down was 2,000 – 2,100 km. down range in the Bay of Bengal, on a trajectory designed to simulate a range of 2,800 – 3,000 km. The Agni-II missile can also be launched from a road TEL vehicle, as demonstrated in the second test flight on 17 January 2001, at 10:01 a.m. IST (Indian Standard Time) to a range of 2,100 km. This missile has a theoretical maximum range of some 3,000 km with a 1,000 kg payload (conventional or strategic).

Agni 1 was test fired in 2001 about 18 months after the end of the Kargil war as well


3 tests in a week compared to several tests in a span of 5 years.

 

[Imran Khan]

1999: India tests Agni II
1999: Pakistan responds by testing Ghauri II three days later

what you guys did in 2002 we did many years before with Prithvi and Agni successfully

false ego nothing more

 

[Thorough Pro]

but your leader s do **** in their pants.

 

[Rafi]

The entity to the east and it's deep state need to realize that Pakistan retains the ability with it's conventional and WMD's to punish very heavily any misadventure. Nuff said.

 

[illusion8]

Over again you are being drifted away by your patriotism, leaving behind nothing but jingoism....You can match the data I shared with the data you shared at page 2 or 3 of this thread, kindly read it before you throw down your gauntlets.. Info that I shared had nothing to do with the purposes of the devices, I was just making a point on the low yield devices.



BTW three out of four(fission devices) were in the sub-kiloton range, and one needs no elaboration on sub-kiloton range devices. As for as yield is concern please listen to Mr. Santhanam, he had a lot to say.




So you mean you have TN warhead at this point in time? Well, the type of results that TN device gave long back puts your claim in grave danger.




We know our priorities and requirements and we are very much in the window.. Our policy is to go ahead with credible minimum deterrence..

I am not a nuclear scientist but...

The most widely accepted estimates of India's plutonium production have been made by David Albright ([Albright et al 1997], [Albright 2000]). His most recent estimate (October 2000) was that by the end of 1999 India had available between 240 and 395 kg of weapon grade plutonium for weapons production, with a median value of 310 kg. He suggests that this is sufficient for 45 - 95 weapons (median estimate 65). The production of weapon grade plutonium has actually been greater, but about 130 kg of plutonium has been consumed - principally in fueling two plutonium reactors, but also in weapons tests. His estimate for India's holdings of less-than-weapons-grade plutonium (reactor or fuel grade plutonium) are 4200 kg of unsafeguarded plutonium (800 kg of this already separated) and 4100 kg of IAEA safeguarded plutonium (25 kg of this separated). This unsafeguarded quantity could be used to manufacture roughly 1000 nuclear weapons, if India so chose (which would give it the third largest arsenal in the world, behind only the U.S. and Russia).

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India's first effort to formulate a nuclear policy and the determine the means needed to implement it was an informal but authoritative study group that was set up in November 1985 to answer queries by Rajiv Gandhi regarding defense planning. It encompassed the three services (Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Tahliani, Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. K. Sundarji, Deputy Cheif of Air Staff John Greene), leaders of BARC (Ramanna), the DRDO (Abdul Kalam), and the AEC (Chidambaram), and India's most prominent strategic analyst K. Subrahmanyam. The outcome of the group's deliberations was to recommend building a minimum deterrent force with a strict no first use policy. The arsenal envisioned was 70 to 100 warheads at a cost of about $5.6 billion.

In 1994 K. Subrahmanyam suggested that a force of 60 warheads carried on 20 Agnis, 20 Prithvis and the rest on aircraft would cost about Rs 10 billion over 10 years. In 1996 Sundarji suggested a cost of some Rs 27.5 billion -- Rs 6 billion for 150 warheads, Rs 3.6 billion for 45 Prithvis and Rs 18 billion for 90 Agni missiles.

 

[Emmie]

we tested Agni 1 and Agni 2 prior to 2001 successfully 150km to 750km to over 2,000km besides Jalandhar to Lahore is less than 150km

and all we have to do is place Prithvi missiles in Punjab and Kashmir and we can easily wipe out a good portion of your Punjab with Prithvi missiles learn geography in any case SRBM's can do the job for both sides.

I doubt you had your meal!! They were tested but were not in the service prior to 2001 attack.

Agni 1 was introduced in service on January 2002.

Agni 2 was flight-tested successfully on May 17, 2010. Before it was good for nothing, got failed too many times.

If you can wipe out our Punjab with Prithvi-1 (150) then my dear you are a king amongst world's fool..

Dont forget this article is talking about 2001 and mentions SRBM at that time