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By SEAN STARRS

February 24, 2014

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We’ve been obsessing over the decline or persistence of American power for more than three decades now. The latest example is a Gallup poll out Monday showing rising dissatisfaction with the United States’ standing in the world — but it all started with a wave of declinism in the 1980s, set off by the rise of Japan. Then the doom and gloom suddenly vanished amid the triumphalism of the 1990s, which transformed the United States into the world’s only superpower. After the Sept. 11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq, many thought “empire” was a better moniker, with the United States apparently able to reshape world order virtually at will. And then just a few years later — poof! — declinism returned with a vengeance, with American power supposedly crashing like the latest Hollywood reality queen. China supplanted Japan as a hegemon on the rise, and the biggest global financial crisis since 1929 — emanating from the United States itself — was allegedly the final nail in the coffin of the American century.

But really? Is it really possible for American power in the world to flip-flop so wildly over the decades? Surely, the economic underpinnings of national power run deeper than that? And throughout these waves of conventional wisdom over the decades, there have always been contrarians, including in the present. So how is it possible for commentators to look at the same data and come to completely opposite conclusions?

The answer is that people are debating the wrong data, especially today. The traditional way of conceptualizing national power is to look at so-called national accountsmost of all gross domestic product, but also balance of trade, national debt, world share of manufacturing, etc. — relative to other nations or the world. So when Japanese GDP was rising rapidly from the 1960s to the 1980s, people equated this with the rise of Japanese economic power. This made sense in the era before globalization, when production was largely contained within national borders and firms would export their goods and services to compete abroad. So when made-in-Japan radios began flooding the American market in the 1960s, this was reflected not only in increasing Japanese GDP and exports but also in the increasing capacity of Japanese firms like Sony to outcompete American firms like RCA.


But in the age of globalization, as the world’s largest transnational corporations now have vast operations across the globe, this equation between national accounts and national power begins to break down. China, for example, has been the world’s largest electronics exporter since 2004, and yet this does not at all mean that Chinese firms are world leaders in electronics. Even though China has a virtual monopoly on the export of iPhones, for instance, it is Apple that reaps the majority of profits from iPhone sales. More broadly, more than three-quarters of the top 200 exporting firms from China are actually foreign, not Chinese. This is totally different from the prior rise of Japan, propelled by Japanese firms producing in Japan and exporting abroad.

In the age of globalization, then, the rise of Chinese national accounts could actually reflect the power of foreign transnational corporations, and we cannot know simply by looking at national accounts. Another example is the Chinese auto market, which has exploded to become the largest national auto market in the world since 2009. But again, in the age of globalization, this does not at all mean that Chinese firms are world leaders in automobiles. In fact, Chinese firms can’t even compete within China, let alone abroad. There are more than 100 Chinese auto firms, and despite decades of state subsidies and protection, their combined market share in China is less than 30 percent. Foreign firms, dominated by General Motors and Volkswagen, make up the rest. This is totally different from the days when the Japanese and South Korean auto markets emerged, as the rise of their national markets reflected the rise of their national auto firms (Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc.), establishing a strong base from which to compete abroad.

So we can no longer rely on national accounts to determine national power. Rather, we have to investigate these corporations themselves to encompass their transnational operations — for which national accounts (conceived in the 1920s) are wholly inadequate. Once we analyze the world’s top transnationals, a startling picture of economic power emerges. For one thing, national accounts seriously underestimate American power, and seriously overestimate Chinese power.

Sean Starrs is currently a Ph.D. student at York University in Toronto and will be assistant professor of international relations at the City University of Hong Kong this August.

Read more: America Didn’t Decline. It Went Global. - Sean Starrs - POLITICO Magazine

From a PhD student to dreams of being assistant professor with such a comparison... :blink:

I think globalization hit him hard!
 
From a PhD student to dreams of being assistant professor with such a comparison...
I think globalization hit him hard!


It seems you disagree with the idea presented by him. Would you like to tell us the reasons why you would disagree?
 
It seems you disagree with the idea presented by him. Would you like to tell us the reasons why you would disagree?
He is talking about economical world power....rather than overall power...

It slightly reflects denial attitude....

I agree American goods went world over....that is what globalization is...but he refused to see what it did to America itself which are represented in other reports...Americans are living in America..that is what represents America...their well-being, their economics, their politics....

If he wants to see global scale he should also address China's influence in army and economics....

All he did was compare established brands...Now most of Italian brands are established and doing very well overseas....but we dont call Italy shining throne of EU now do we?

And on another scale he seemed to have gotten a knack at bashing China rather than comparing fairly!

Just my opinion...I didnt find the article fair...
 
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If any country want to break US monopoly ,that country first need to stop US $ as reserve currency in world market.As long as dollar remain as reserve currency no one can touch US.
 
If any country want to break US monopoly ,that country first need to stop US $ as reserve currency in world market.As long as dollar remain as reserve currency no one can touch US.
True...but that does not automatically represents the country...Pound is stronger than the dollar but doesnt make UK on top....

Todays exchange rate tells us
1 US Dollar equals 0.28 Kuwaiti Dinar

Yet Kuwait is not even in top 10 in world......

Then we have Euro

The Euro is the largest currency in circulation as is not only used in Europe but also by 150 million people in Africa.

The Switzerland is considered a safe haven for money and as its value often increases when others decline, it is often sought after. - See more at: Top 10 Strongest Currencies in the World
 
True...but that does not automatically represents the country...Pound is stronger than the dollar but doesnt make UK on top....

Todays exchange rate tells us
1 US Dollar equals 0.28 Kuwaiti Dinar

Yet Kuwait is not even in top 10 in world......

Then we have Euro

The Euro is the largest currency in circulation as is not only used in Europe but also by 150 million people in Africa.

The Switzerland is considered a safe haven for money and as its value often increases when others decline, it is often sought after. - See more at: Top 10 Strongest Currencies in the World


There is a huge difference between a "strong" currency, and a "reserve" currency.
 
Thought the article is biased in a lot of instances but i feel for the Americans . It seems for a country to be successful you need to have a large man force and a decent manufacturing base .
Globalization has distributed the wealth .
 
True...but that does not automatically represents the country...Pound is stronger than the dollar but doesnt make UK on top....

Todays exchange rate tells us
1 US Dollar equals 0.28 Kuwaiti Dinar

Yet Kuwait is not even in top 10 in world......

Then we have Euro

The Euro is the largest currency in circulation as is not only used in Europe but also by 150 million people in Africa.

The Switzerland is considered a safe haven for money and as its value often increases when others decline, it is often sought after. - See more at: Top 10 Strongest Currencies in the World

But for oil trade most countries including Saudi and other countries still prefer US dollar or in other words petro dollar,It not about currency value.It is about circulation .
EU with Euro is came as a viable replacement of petro dollar.But US also restrain it with their abilities because each of all EU countries still heavily depend on US..
Another only chance is to create another international currency formed by BRICS like organistaion.But it will not also happen for now because except Russia all other in BRICS is still depend so much on US.But they may have a chance in future
 
But for oil trade most countries including Saudi and other countries still prefer US dollar or in other words petro dollar,It not about currency value.It is about circulation .
EU with Euro is came as a viable replacement of petro dollar.But US also restrain it with their abilities because each of all EU countries still heavily depend on US..
Another only chance is to create another international currency formed by BRICS like organistaion.But it will not also happen for now because except Russia all other in BRICS is still depend so much on US.But they may have a chance in future
:tup: Why hasnt anyone taken the initiative? or do they still want to live like a host-parasite game and not let go of the dependency?
 
:tup: Why hasnt anyone taken the initiative? or do they still want to live like a host-parasite game and not let go of the dependency?

We also want to see that happen.A intitiative against US monopoly.But they have money, influence market.Even China is still depend US and for its exports.We only need to count US because EU formation is just a show it is strictly controlled by US .that is where the problem lies.But IF BRICS can move forward rapidly and when US is become so dependent on BRICS picture will change in to upside down.So Only BRICS can provide an alternative not now but in future.
 
We also want to see that happen.A intitiative against US monopoly.But they have money, influence market.Even China is still depend US and for its exports.We only need to count US because EU formation is just a show it is strictly controlled by US .that is where the problem lies.But IF BRICS can move forward rapidly and when US is become so dependent on BRICS picture will change in to upside down.So Only BRICS can provide an alternative not now but in future.
I see....
 
EU formation is just a show it is strictly controlled by US

Do tell more. You can start with explaining how € kept it's status as 2nd largest reserve currency despite the recession in the past years which brought out the calls and predictions for it to fail. Some coming from USA as well, rating agencies as prime example.

Don't even mention BRICS currency. LOL.
Brazil, Rouseff faced mass demonstration in 2013 because of mass corruption, no perspective for the young, Russia, propped up by oil, real economy is actually going down, India i don't know much about, can't be that good if rupee takes a nosedive regularly and it's value fluctuates so wildly India has been left below the 2 trillion $ year after year, China, ponzi scheme with more then one bubble, government sets the exchange value ie as long as it stays like this there's no way anyone will hedge their bets on yuan. "S" is South Africa? you get a good job there as long as you're black.

Best of all, you're some guy named Sreekumar talking about who controls who and what needs to be done, while not having a clue about the basics.

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Now, with that said, i am no fool to deny the influence of US in EU. i can read about it every day, US state and corporate lobbysts in Brussels and alike, but you have to look at it pragmatically.
If you were US, would you not want some leverage over an entity where you basicaly sunk a whole lot of money to (NATO budget) for it's protection. And similarly from a European standpoint, what has 60 odd years of leeching the US defense budget brought us.
 
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By SEAN STARRS

February 24, 2014

140224_starrs_flag_ap.jpg


We’ve been obsessing over the decline or persistence of American power for more than three decades now. The latest example is a Gallup poll out Monday showing rising dissatisfaction with the United States’ standing in the world — but it all started with a wave of declinism in the 1980s, set off by the rise of Japan. Then the doom and gloom suddenly vanished amid the triumphalism of the 1990s, which transformed the United States into the world’s only superpower. After the Sept. 11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq, many thought “empire” was a better moniker, with the United States apparently able to reshape world order virtually at will. And then just a few years later — poof! — declinism returned with a vengeance, with American power supposedly crashing like the latest Hollywood reality queen. China supplanted Japan as a hegemon on the rise, and the biggest global financial crisis since 1929 — emanating from the United States itself — was allegedly the final nail in the coffin of the American century.

But really? Is it really possible for American power in the world to flip-flop so wildly over the decades? Surely, the economic underpinnings of national power run deeper than that? And throughout these waves of conventional wisdom over the decades, there have always been contrarians, including in the present. So how is it possible for commentators to look at the same data and come to completely opposite conclusions?

The answer is that people are debating the wrong data, especially today. The traditional way of conceptualizing national power is to look at so-called national accountsmost of all gross domestic product, but also balance of trade, national debt, world share of manufacturing, etc. — relative to other nations or the world. So when Japanese GDP was rising rapidly from the 1960s to the 1980s, people equated this with the rise of Japanese economic power. This made sense in the era before globalization, when production was largely contained within national borders and firms would export their goods and services to compete abroad. So when made-in-Japan radios began flooding the American market in the 1960s, this was reflected not only in increasing Japanese GDP and exports but also in the increasing capacity of Japanese firms like Sony to outcompete American firms like RCA.


But in the age of globalization, as the world’s largest transnational corporations now have vast operations across the globe, this equation between national accounts and national power begins to break down. China, for example, has been the world’s largest electronics exporter since 2004, and yet this does not at all mean that Chinese firms are world leaders in electronics. Even though China has a virtual monopoly on the export of iPhones, for instance, it is Apple that reaps the majority of profits from iPhone sales. More broadly, more than three-quarters of the top 200 exporting firms from China are actually foreign, not Chinese. This is totally different from the prior rise of Japan, propelled by Japanese firms producing in Japan and exporting abroad.

In the age of globalization, then, the rise of Chinese national accounts could actually reflect the power of foreign transnational corporations, and we cannot know simply by looking at national accounts. Another example is the Chinese auto market, which has exploded to become the largest national auto market in the world since 2009. But again, in the age of globalization, this does not at all mean that Chinese firms are world leaders in automobiles. In fact, Chinese firms can’t even compete within China, let alone abroad. There are more than 100 Chinese auto firms, and despite decades of state subsidies and protection, their combined market share in China is less than 30 percent. Foreign firms, dominated by General Motors and Volkswagen, make up the rest. This is totally different from the days when the Japanese and South Korean auto markets emerged, as the rise of their national markets reflected the rise of their national auto firms (Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc.), establishing a strong base from which to compete abroad.

So we can no longer rely on national accounts to determine national power. Rather, we have to investigate these corporations themselves to encompass their transnational operations — for which national accounts (conceived in the 1920s) are wholly inadequate. Once we analyze the world’s top transnationals, a startling picture of economic power emerges. For one thing, national accounts seriously underestimate American power, and seriously overestimate Chinese power.

Sean Starrs is currently a Ph.D. student at York University in Toronto and will be assistant professor of international relations at the City University of Hong Kong this August.

Read more: America Didn’t Decline. It Went Global. - Sean Starrs - POLITICO Magazine

From a PhD student to dreams of being assistant professor with such a comparison... :blink:

I think globalization hit him hard!

I think that this Phd student would be more credible if he actually cited statisics from reputable sources. Most of this piece is mainly common sense and of his own opinions. There was one thing he got right, which is Chinese domestic auto sales are not very good compare to foreign cars.


He seems like a pro Japanese and Korean, why is he looking to be an assistant professor at HKU instead of Tokyo U? But I can see him fit right in with those former HK colonists.

Just treat this like an opinion piece that any Yahoo writer can do.
 
You know, there are some who argue that globalization and excess capitalism ultimately led to America's decline.
 
Do tell more. You can start with explaining how € kept it's status as 2nd largest reserve currency despite the recession in the past years which brought out the calls and predictions for it to fail. Some coming from USA as well, rating agencies as prime example.

Don't even mention BRICS currency. LOL.
Brazil, Rouseff faced mass demonstration in 2013 because of mass corruption, no perspective for the young, Russia, propped up by oil, real economy is actually going down, India i don't know much about, can't be that good if rupee takes a nosedive regularly and it's value fluctuates so wildly India has been left below the 2 trillion $ year after year, China, ponzi scheme with more then one bubble, government sets the exchange value ie as long as it stays like this there's no way anyone will hedge their bets on yuan. "S" is South Africa? you get a good job there as long as you're black.

Best of all, you're some guy named Sreekumar talking about who controls who and what needs to be done, while not having a clue about the basics.

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Now, with that said, i am no fool to deny the influence of US in EU. i can read about it every day, US state and corporate lobbysts in Brussels and alike, but you have to look at it pragmatically.
If you were US, would you not want some leverage over an entity where you basicaly sunk a whole lot of money to (NATO budget) for it's protection. And similarly from a European standpoint, what has 60 odd years of leeching the US defense budget brought us.

Well you underestimate BRICS .And I dont overestimate BRICS importance.But they will form a bank within few years.
And only just talk about future .not present condition.I dont know about Brazil ,but Russia will always have some leverage because they have oil and gas.In India GoI can appreciate rupee but they will keep it like this for now.because rupee depreciating is good for exports now.Chinese economy is too powerful within a decade they may overcome US as largest economy in the world.Euro is second largest reserve currency no doubt in that.
Here we talking about toppling of US hegemoney.EU still cant question US .But US can.Whole the world can see how US treat EU and its member countries.Petro dollar is always poweful.

I see....
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