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On the road to shusha. Looks like AZE took some big casualties there. And likely casualties of the top end troops. This sort of advance could cost many many thousands of lives. The positive is that AZE have the numbers to take this sort of attrition.



What I really don't get is that AZ has superiority in air and land and they still get beaten back like that. Now I understand why they lost in 1992. They don't have a military culture if I'm just frank about it.

Makes me think what kind of casualties they would take if we didn't give them all the UAV which gave them a massive edge in recon and fire power and they still screw up.
 
What I really don't get is that AZ has superiority in air and land and they still get beaten back like that. Now I understand why they lost in 1992. They don't have a military culture if I'm just frank about it.

Makes me think what kind of casualties they would take if we didn't give them all the UAV which gave them a massive edge in recon and fire power and they still screw up.

I don't think they are doing badly.

How would you compare them to the greatest fighting force in the history of the world when they tried to take Iwo Jima, with full air support and artillery from thousands of ships. and 3 times more men than the Japanese?
 
As far as Turkey is concerned this occupation game is over for Armenia. Already the Qatar Ambassador to Iran has met with some top ARM officials to deliver the following message to highlight the post-war scenario:
  • Karabag' occupation is there to end
  • No countries are coming to your aid
  • Your economy/finances are at shambles, and your population is dwindling
  • Let's plan a comprehensive South Caucasian cooperation incorporating all the major stakeholders, and, thus, help you out of this quagmire and isolation
The following video from Ardan Zenturk, a Turkish geo-satrtegic analyst and journalist close to the Establishment, is explaining this:

 
I don't think they are doing badly.

How would you compare them to the greatest fighting force in the history of the world when they tried to take Iwo Jima, with full air support and artillery from thousands of ships. and 3 times more men than the Japanese?
Comparing Japanese to Armenians is like comparing Samurai to caveman. From what I have seen is that armenian soldiers are very dumb. After a month of UAV bombing they still group up like sheep. It is mind boggling that Armenians still can beat back Azerbaijan who has every advantage it can have.

After 1992 one would say they would learn couple of lessons but no. I'm very disappointed in Azeri army. This should have been a very easy victory but from what I have seen yesterday they keep leaving massive amounts of KIA and equipment on the field against a far inferior army who doesn't have any armor and air support.
 
I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatians had the same situation with Krajina Serbs and it was resolved in 1995 after 4 years of occupation. Armenians are dying like flies for some myths about ancient Armenian Empire, etc. If they accept Azeri rule, rights, constitution plus Azerbaijan get 15% population Christians. But leaders in Armenia have their sons abroad while poor people die for ideals. We in Bosnia and Herzegovina live together after the war, trade, visit. I am Croat catholic who was in Bosnian Army with Muslim majority. When I was wounded by the Serbs my Muslim neighbors carried me on their hands to hospital. Today I am married to a Serb who's brother was on the opposite side. I get kurban meat for bajram from my friends. Think about future where economy and family future is everything Armenians. You are losing, concede and accept Azerbaijani government.
Selam Pakistani bachas and abangs from Indonesia!
P.S. Red Arrows ATGM from Pakistan saved us during the war!
 
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I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatians had the same situation with Krajina Serb and it was resolved in 1995 after 4 years of occupation. Armenians are dying like flies for some myths about ancient Armenian Empire, etc. If they accept Azeri rule, rights, constitution plus Azerbaijan get 15% population Christians. But leaders in Armenia have their sons abroad while poor people die for ideals. We in Bosnia and Herzegovina live together after the war, trade, visit. I am Croat catholic who was in Bosnian Army with Muslim majority. When I was wounded by the Serbs my Muslim neighbors carried me on their hands to hospital. Today I am married to a Serb who's brother was on the opposite side. I get kurban meat for bajram from my friends. Think about future where economy and family future is everything Armenians. You are loosing, concede and accept Azerbaijani government.
Selam Pakistani bachas and abangs from Indonesia!
P.S. Red Arrows ATGM from Pakistan saved us during the war!

Welcome bro, nice to meet you
 
I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatians had the same situation with Krajina Serb and it was resolved in 1995 after 4 years of occupation. Armenians are dying like flies for some myths about ancient Armenian Empire, etc. If they accept Azeri rule, rights, constitution plus Azerbaijan get 15% population Christians. But leaders in Armenia have their sons abroad while poor people die for ideals. We in Bosnia and Herzegovina live together after the war, trade, visit. I am Croat catholic who was in Bosnian Army with Muslim majority. When I was wounded by the Serbs my Muslim neighbors carried me on their hands to hospital. Today I am married to a Serb who's brother was on the opposite side. I get kurban meat for bajram from my friends. Think about future where economy and family future is everything Armenians. You are loosing, concede and accept Azerbaijani government.
Selam Pakistani bachas and abangs from Indonesia!
P.S. Red Arrows ATGM from Pakistan saved us during the war!

Welcome, and thank you for saving our country. You are a true hero.

If only Armenians would listen to your wise advice. It would save everyone a lot of trouble.

If Karakabkh Armenians join Azerbaijan, they will make up 1.5% of the population. They don't want that. But as time goes by, there is less and less of them because they are getting destroyed on the battlefield. It's already minus ~5,000.
 

I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatians had the same situation with Krajina Serbs and it was resolved in 1995 after 4 years of occupation. Armenians are dying like flies for some myths about ancient Armenian Empire, etc. If they accept Azeri rule, rights, constitution plus Azerbaijan get 15% population Christians. But leaders in Armenia have their sons abroad while poor people die for ideals. We in Bosnia and Herzegovina live together after the war, trade, visit. I am Croat catholic who was in Bosnian Army with Muslim majority. When I was wounded by the Serbs my Muslim neighbors carried me on their hands to hospital. Today I am married to a Serb who's brother was on the opposite side. I get kurban meat for bajram from my friends. Think about future where economy and family future is everything Armenians. You are losing, concede and accept Azerbaijani government.
Selam Pakistani bachas and abangs from Indonesia!
P.S. Red Arrows ATGM from Pakistan saved us during the war!

Thanks dear friend, may God bless you for your service. Peace-loving Muslims and Christians are united for a better world.

Fascism and racism is an enemy to all nations, and here I thought we learned our lesson in WW2, but I guess not.

Thanks for your post.
 
As everyone but Azeri fanboys were predicting. The azeri advance has slowed to a crawl, and they are taking massive casualties.

Just look at this terrain. extremely close quarter combat, With a million spots for cover and ambushes, and a dug in enemy that will fight to the death.

excellent close quarter combat footage showing the nightmare the azeris will be facing

 
As everyone but Azeri fanboys were predicting. The azeri advance has slowed to a crawl, and they are taking massive casualties.

Just look at this terrain. extremely close quarter combat, With a million spots for cover and ambushes, and a dug in enemy that will fight to the death.

excellent close quarter combat footage showing the nightmare the azeris will be facing


But Armenian only had 3 million people, not unlimited and Azeris can keep buying MAM L and Harop even by taking loan to blast them out from their holes
I don't think they are doing badly.

How would you compare them to the greatest fighting force in the history of the world when they tried to take Iwo Jima, with full air support and artillery from thousands of ships. and 3 times more men than the Japanese?

The Japanese still giving them a pretty bloody hook and jabs. But warrior culture or not, industrial power and reach of technology is all of the more important on current war and clashes. The other is experience build up by cohorts of veteran and general staff

The American being badly beaten during battle of Kaiserin pass, but the same forces giving German run for the money after Sicilia campaign. The same can be said in Pacific theater.
 
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Azerbaijani Forces Close In On Nagorno-Karabakh's 'Unassailable' Mountain Fortress City
November 05, 2020 16:27 GMT
Shushi/Susa is perched above the cliffs that tower over the village of Karintak/Dasalti in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Shushi/Susa is perched above the cliffs that tower over the village of Karintak/Dasalti in Nagorno-Karabakh.
A century-old Armenian expression says, “Whoever controls the city of Shushi controls the whole of Nagorno-Karabakh.”

That proved to be true in May 1992 when ethnic Armenian fighters drove out Azerbaijan’s army and seized the mountain fortress city, known in Azeri as Susa.

After a monthlong Azerbaijani military advance across Nagorno-Karabakh’s southern flank, Shushi/Susa is once again the focus of a crucial battle in the war over the breakaway Azerbaijani region.

Nagorno-Karabakh’s de facto ethnic Armenian leadership in Stepanakert/Xankandi admits that Azerbaijani troops have advanced to positions just a few kilometers south of Shushi/Susa.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has also said his troops have advanced to positions below the towering cliffs that form a natural defense on the city’s southern and eastern sides.

On November 4, Aliyev claimed on Twitter that Armenian forces “have already admitted defeat.”

“We have modern weaponry and a high fighting spirit,” Aliyev said. “We showed who’s who and proved that Armenia’s ‘invincible army’ was a myth.”
Ethnic Armenian forces said on November 4 that they had repelled an overnight Azerbaijani assault on a village road that leads from below the cliffs of Shushi/Susa to the high ground just a few kilometers west of the city.

Reports late on November 4 said Azerbaijani light infantry was continuing to fight for that road near the village of Karintak/Dasalti at the bottom of the cliffs.

If Azerbaijani forces manage to secure that road and advance to the high ground above, they will cut off Nagorno-Karabakh’s southern supply route from Armenia that has been christened by Armenians as the Road Of Life.
'Road Of Life'
Also known as the Lachin Corridor, the route passes from the southern Armenian city of Goris through the occupied Azerbaijani town of Lachin/Berdzor to Shushi/Susa’s fortified southwestern entrance.

The only other road in and out of Shushi/Susa leads north to Stepanakert/Xankandi.

For ethnic Armenian fighters, the loss of their southern supply corridor would leave them with just one overland link to Armenia -- a northern route passing through the Mrav/Murovdag mountains to Stepanakert.
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As fighting continued on November 4 below Sushi/Susa, ethnic Armenian forces on the high ground closed their Road Of Life to civilian traffic.

They also announced they were carrying out “search operations” further west along the Lachin/Berdzor road at “probable penetration routes of Azerbaijani sabotage groups.”
Yerevan’s government-run Armenian United InfoCenter also released aerial reconnaissance footage showing what it said was an attack on November 4 against Azerbaijani scouts on the Lachin/Berdzor road about 4 kilometers southwest of Shushi/Susa.
Meanwhile, Azerbaijani troops were shelling Shushi/Susa and Armenian defensive positions around the city with mortars.

To be sure, the war over Azerbaijan’s breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh has not gone well for ethnic Armenian forces since the decades-old frozen conflict reignited on September 27.

Several thousand soldiers and hundreds of civilians on both sides are thought to have been killed since then, though military analysts say an accurate assessment is not currently possible.
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From the 1994 cease-fire line southeast of Fuzuli/Varanda, Baku’s troops have advanced westward to reclaim more than one-quarter of the occupied Azerbaijani territory in and around Nagorno-Karabakh.

Bolstered by fleets of drone aircraft, they’ve swept across Shushi/Susa’s southern flank -- following the southern frontier with Iran all the way to Azerbaijan’s western border with Armenia.
In the process, they’ve restored Azerbaijan’s sovereignty over swaths of territory in the districts of Fuzuli, Cabrayil, Zangelan, and parts of Qubadli.
'Unassailable' City
Once the administrative capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, Shushi/Susa is considered by Armenians and Azerbaijanis alike as an “unassailable” city -- even though it has fallen in previous battles.

Azerbaijanis familiar with the terrain still debate how Baku’s forces lost the mountain stronghold to the Armenians on May 9, 1992.
An aerial view of Nagorno-Karabakh’s mountain fortress city of Shushi/Susa.

An aerial view of Nagorno-Karabakh’s mountain fortress city of Shushi/Susa.
For Baku, it was a humiliating defeat in a war where more than 24,000 Azerbaijanis and 6,000 Armenians were killed – with nearly 1 million Azerbaijanis displaced from their homes in Armenia and Azerbaijan and nearly half a million Armenians displaced across Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijani veterans of the battle for Shushi/Susa say their commanders ordered them to withdraw on the evening of May 8, 1992 -- assuring them they would regroup with reinforcements and retake the city later.

Mustafa Hajibeyli was among the last Azerbaijani soldiers to leave the city before Armenian forces entered on the morning of May 9.
“Before occupying Susa, the Armenian forces were already in control of several nearby villages, including Dasalti (Karintak)," Hajibeyli told RFE/RL.
Ethnic Armenian fighters march to their defense positions around the city of Shushi/Susa in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Ethnic Armenian fighters march to their defense positions around the city of Shushi/Susa in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Hajibeyli said heavily "fortified" Armenian fighters “nearly surrounded” the city a few days before their assault when they cut off the road leading to Lachin/Berdzor.
Even then, Hajibeyli said it was difficult for the Armenians to attack the mountaintop in 1992. He said the Azerbaijani defenders “didn’t even think about losing and leaving” until they received the withdrawal order.

“There were only about 700 Azerbaijani soldiers in Susa,” Hajibeyli said. "It was not enough to defend the city” against a siege once the Armenians cut off the road to Lachin/Berdzor.
Ethnic Armenian veterans of the 1992 battle say their assault was a matter of “survival” because Azerbaijani artillery at Shushi/Susa was devastating their positions to the north in Stepanakert/Xankandi.
Arkadi Karapetian, commander of 260 fighters involved in the May 8 assault, explained his point of view in a joint Armenian-Azerbaijani documentary film project called Parts Of A Circle.

Karapetian said the assault halted before sundown because they’d run out of ammunition. Nevertheless, he said, the Azerbaijani soldiers withdrew that night under cover of darkness.

“At night, column by column, the Azerbaijanis marched away,” Karapetian told the makers of the documentary, which was produced by the Media Initiatives Center in Armenia and Internews Azerbaijan, with coordination from London-based Conciliation Resources.
“We watched their departure and let them go,” Karapetian said. “At 9 a.m. [on May 9], we took Shushi (Susa) with hardly a fight.”
Hajibeyli told RFE/RL that Azerbaijani military planners learned lessons from the 1992 battle and will now find it “much easier” to retake the city.
One of Azerbaijan’s Russian-built SMERCH missiles just outside of Shushi/Susa.

One of Azerbaijan’s Russian-built SMERCH missiles just outside of Shushi/Susa.
“First of all, Azerbaijan’s army now controls the skies with its drones and planes,” Hajibeyli said. “Secondly, it deploys tactics which force the enemy to surrender the cities without major clashes.”
“They did that in Fuzuli (Varanda) and Caybrayil (Jrakan), taking control of the surrounding mountains and trying to cut all the roads to the cities -- forcing the enemy to leave their heavy fortifications and flee.”
Arif Pasha, who also fought for Azerbaijan in 1992, told RFE/RL that Baku’s defense of Shushi/Susa “was not possible” once the Armenians cut off the road to Lachin/Berdzor.
“If you control the Lachin-Susa road, you control the corridor between Armenia and Nagorno-Karbakh,” Pasha explained. “Now, 28 years later, the Lachin-Susa road has the same importance.”
With reporting by Harutyun Mansurian in Prague and RFE/RL’s Azerbaijani Service
 
Azerbaijani Forces Close In On Nagorno-Karabakh's 'Unassailable' Mountain Fortress City
November 05, 2020 16:27 GMT
Shushi/Susa is perched above the cliffs that tower over the village of Karintak/Dasalti in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Shushi/Susa is perched above the cliffs that tower over the village of Karintak/Dasalti in Nagorno-Karabakh.
A century-old Armenian expression says, “Whoever controls the city of Shushi controls the whole of Nagorno-Karabakh.”

That proved to be true in May 1992 when ethnic Armenian fighters drove out Azerbaijan’s army and seized the mountain fortress city, known in Azeri as Susa.

After a monthlong Azerbaijani military advance across Nagorno-Karabakh’s southern flank, Shushi/Susa is once again the focus of a crucial battle in the war over the breakaway Azerbaijani region.

Nagorno-Karabakh’s de facto ethnic Armenian leadership in Stepanakert/Xankandi admits that Azerbaijani troops have advanced to positions just a few kilometers south of Shushi/Susa.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has also said his troops have advanced to positions below the towering cliffs that form a natural defense on the city’s southern and eastern sides.

On November 4, Aliyev claimed on Twitter that Armenian forces “have already admitted defeat.”

“We have modern weaponry and a high fighting spirit,” Aliyev said. “We showed who’s who and proved that Armenia’s ‘invincible army’ was a myth.”

Ethnic Armenian forces said on November 4 that they had repelled an overnight Azerbaijani assault on a village road that leads from below the cliffs of Shushi/Susa to the high ground just a few kilometers west of the city.

Reports late on November 4 said Azerbaijani light infantry was continuing to fight for that road near the village of Karintak/Dasalti at the bottom of the cliffs.

If Azerbaijani forces manage to secure that road and advance to the high ground above, they will cut off Nagorno-Karabakh’s southern supply route from Armenia that has been christened by Armenians as the Road Of Life.
'Road Of Life'
Also known as the Lachin Corridor, the route passes from the southern Armenian city of Goris through the occupied Azerbaijani town of Lachin/Berdzor to Shushi/Susa’s fortified southwestern entrance.

The only other road in and out of Shushi/Susa leads north to Stepanakert/Xankandi.

For ethnic Armenian fighters, the loss of their southern supply corridor would leave them with just one overland link to Armenia -- a northern route passing through the Mrav/Murovdag mountains to Stepanakert.
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As fighting continued on November 4 below Sushi/Susa, ethnic Armenian forces on the high ground closed their Road Of Life to civilian traffic.

They also announced they were carrying out “search operations” further west along the Lachin/Berdzor road at “probable penetration routes of Azerbaijani sabotage groups.”
Yerevan’s government-run Armenian United InfoCenter also released aerial reconnaissance footage showing what it said was an attack on November 4 against Azerbaijani scouts on the Lachin/Berdzor road about 4 kilometers southwest of Shushi/Susa.
Meanwhile, Azerbaijani troops were shelling Shushi/Susa and Armenian defensive positions around the city with mortars.

To be sure, the war over Azerbaijan’s breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh has not gone well for ethnic Armenian forces since the decades-old frozen conflict reignited on September 27.

Several thousand soldiers and hundreds of civilians on both sides are thought to have been killed since then, though military analysts say an accurate assessment is not currently possible.
491B632C-9C4F-43D4-ABBF-CBDD4125C855_w1080_h608_s_b.png

From the 1994 cease-fire line southeast of Fuzuli/Varanda, Baku’s troops have advanced westward to reclaim more than one-quarter of the occupied Azerbaijani territory in and around Nagorno-Karabakh.

Bolstered by fleets of drone aircraft, they’ve swept across Shushi/Susa’s southern flank -- following the southern frontier with Iran all the way to Azerbaijan’s western border with Armenia.
In the process, they’ve restored Azerbaijan’s sovereignty over swaths of territory in the districts of Fuzuli, Cabrayil, Zangelan, and parts of Qubadli.
'Unassailable' City
Once the administrative capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, Shushi/Susa is considered by Armenians and Azerbaijanis alike as an “unassailable” city -- even though it has fallen in previous battles.

Azerbaijanis familiar with the terrain still debate how Baku’s forces lost the mountain stronghold to the Armenians on May 9, 1992.
An aerial view of Nagorno-Karabakh’s mountain fortress city of Shushi/Susa.

An aerial view of Nagorno-Karabakh’s mountain fortress city of Shushi/Susa.
For Baku, it was a humiliating defeat in a war where more than 24,000 Azerbaijanis and 6,000 Armenians were killed – with nearly 1 million Azerbaijanis displaced from their homes in Armenia and Azerbaijan and nearly half a million Armenians displaced across Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijani veterans of the battle for Shushi/Susa say their commanders ordered them to withdraw on the evening of May 8, 1992 -- assuring them they would regroup with reinforcements and retake the city later.

Mustafa Hajibeyli was among the last Azerbaijani soldiers to leave the city before Armenian forces entered on the morning of May 9.
“Before occupying Susa, the Armenian forces were already in control of several nearby villages, including Dasalti (Karintak)," Hajibeyli told RFE/RL.
Ethnic Armenian fighters march to their defense positions around the city of Shushi/Susa in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Ethnic Armenian fighters march to their defense positions around the city of Shushi/Susa in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Hajibeyli said heavily "fortified" Armenian fighters “nearly surrounded” the city a few days before their assault when they cut off the road leading to Lachin/Berdzor.
Even then, Hajibeyli said it was difficult for the Armenians to attack the mountaintop in 1992. He said the Azerbaijani defenders “didn’t even think about losing and leaving” until they received the withdrawal order.

“There were only about 700 Azerbaijani soldiers in Susa,” Hajibeyli said. "It was not enough to defend the city” against a siege once the Armenians cut off the road to Lachin/Berdzor.
Ethnic Armenian veterans of the 1992 battle say their assault was a matter of “survival” because Azerbaijani artillery at Shushi/Susa was devastating their positions to the north in Stepanakert/Xankandi.
Arkadi Karapetian, commander of 260 fighters involved in the May 8 assault, explained his point of view in a joint Armenian-Azerbaijani documentary film project called Parts Of A Circle.

Karapetian said the assault halted before sundown because they’d run out of ammunition. Nevertheless, he said, the Azerbaijani soldiers withdrew that night under cover of darkness.

“At night, column by column, the Azerbaijanis marched away,” Karapetian told the makers of the documentary, which was produced by the Media Initiatives Center in Armenia and Internews Azerbaijan, with coordination from London-based Conciliation Resources.
“We watched their departure and let them go,” Karapetian said. “At 9 a.m. [on May 9], we took Shushi (Susa) with hardly a fight.”
Hajibeyli told RFE/RL that Azerbaijani military planners learned lessons from the 1992 battle and will now find it “much easier” to retake the city.
One of Azerbaijan’s Russian-built SMERCH missiles just outside of Shushi/Susa.

One of Azerbaijan’s Russian-built SMERCH missiles just outside of Shushi/Susa.
“First of all, Azerbaijan’s army now controls the skies with its drones and planes,” Hajibeyli said. “Secondly, it deploys tactics which force the enemy to surrender the cities without major clashes.”
“They did that in Fuzuli (Varanda) and Caybrayil (Jrakan), taking control of the surrounding mountains and trying to cut all the roads to the cities -- forcing the enemy to leave their heavy fortifications and flee.”
Arif Pasha, who also fought for Azerbaijan in 1992, told RFE/RL that Baku’s defense of Shushi/Susa “was not possible” once the Armenians cut off the road to Lachin/Berdzor.
“If you control the Lachin-Susa road, you control the corridor between Armenia and Nagorno-Karbakh,” Pasha explained. “Now, 28 years later, the Lachin-Susa road has the same importance.”
With reporting by Harutyun Mansurian in Prague and RFE/RL’s Azerbaijani Service

In all honestly the Azeris to limit casualties need to flatten the city with bombardment even if civilians are collateral damage and get the war over with. They need to now use their northern forces to head south and split the defense of the city in two.
 
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