Bloomberg: Russia and Iran Are Building a Trade Route That Defies Sanctions

[Hack-Hook]

Now you know why we insisted on developing railways when that dumb Rouhani and his team threw all the eggs in the basket of Boeing and airbus.

Americans bought time while Iran was sleeping. Airways are important but not as much as sea and land routes. Ironically they made tourism their excuse to convince the gullible. Tourism lmao, the idea of making Iran the Thailand of west Asia.

rail road and roads are important . but our planned rail road even when current construction is finished is not optimal , for example in many place instead of two parallels line its just one line and that is serious bottleneck , also our roads are far far from ideal .

 

[Muhammed45]

rail road and roads are important . but our planned rail road even when current construction is finished is not optimal , for example in many place instead of two parallels line its just one line and that is serious bottleneck , also our roads are far far from ideal .

Good point, Khatam HQ has all the capacity to do the job. They can improve our roads to the highest standards. It just needs governmental investment, heck the government owes them billions of Toman let alone investment.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Good point, Khatam HQ has all the capacity to do the job. They can improve our roads to the highest standards. It just needs governmental investment, heck the government owes them billions of Toman let alone investment.

in old days they said all ways lead to Rome , these days they say all the ways lead to Money .
if the government hand the management of the roads to private companies , i don't think there will be problem financing them outside the government .after all you must look at how Khatam-Al Anbia HQ work .
they get the contract and break it down to several part and then give it to smaller contractor that could finish those small part but don't have the technical or financial capabilities to finish the whole project .
the thing that remain is how they are repaid .one way is give he benefits of the project to them its long process , but in long term probably more beneficial for the group that finished the project . now if the government is willing they can give the benefits of the road to Khatam HQ and they pay the small companies or they can build a holding that distribute the benefit of the road to those small companies . I believe the first route is more feasible ,but for some reasons they only finished a limited amount of project by these means

 

[Muhammed45]

in old days they said all ways lead to Rome , these days they say all the ways lead to Money .
if the government hand the management of the roads to private companies , i don't think there will be problem financing them outside the government .after all you must look at how Khatam-Al Anbia HQ work .
they get the contract and break it down to several part and then give it to smaller contractor that could finish those small part but don't have the technical or financial capabilities to finish the whole project .
the thing that remain is how they are repaid .one way is give he benefits of the project to them its long process , but in long term probably more beneficial for the group that finished the project . now if the government is willing they can give the benefits of the road to Khatam HQ and they pay the small companies or they can build a holding that distribute the benefit of the road to those small companies . I believe the first route is more feasible ,but for some reasons they only finished a limited amount of project by these means

A very good point, Khatam is not a religious company. On the contrary, it is open to every potent partner or proper subset.

If the governemnt pays its debt to them and compensates the delay in debt payment, they can revive their hundreds of subsets from small companies and individuals to big ones. There are different methods of repayment, depends on the contracts and also the financial supporters of Khatam.

 

[aryobarzan]

A very good point, Khatam is not a religious company. On the contrary, it is open to every potent partner or proper subset.

If the governemnt pays its debt to them and compensates the delay in debt payment, they can revive their hundreds of subsets from small companies and individuals to big ones. There are different methods of repayment, depends on the contracts and also the financial supporters of Khatam.

This project is so important that few months ago I recall Supreme Leader agreed that National Development Fund (NDF) be used to complete the "Zahedan" to "Chabahar" rail network...I also recall that initial estimate on just the transport fee income for Iran from the route will $ 6 billion per year...International North South Corridor is basically an overland fast alternative to Suez Canal route.

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“The North-South corridor is a great option to replace the Suez Canal with a reduction in travel times to 20 days and savings of up to 30 percent.”

 

[925boy]

Impressive, North-South Corridor is being pursued aggressively after a big period of lull

this Ukraine war is transforming the region around it, and this effect you've described could be a manifestation of that transformation.

Iran has truly gone all in on Russia

why not? this is Iran's only chance to get Russia "onboard" its agenda and plans.

 

[Sineva]

Impressive, North-South Corridor is being pursued aggressively after a big period of lull

For the russians this has essentially become a vitally important strategic lifeline,as their access to the only other major transit routes is effectively controlled by the west.
When one looks at it the nstc always was the smarter,shorter route,one that would potentially cut the transit time in half,which naturally has a beneficial effect on the bottom line.However western sanctions meant that even with all of its obvious advantages,it was still essentially a non starter........but not any more.
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if we start to see the exact same sort of things happen with a lot of projects/ideas that had been effectively in the deep freeze for years/decades,thanks to the west.These may suddenly start to happen with surprising speed and with relatively little prior warning or fanfare.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Handing over major long term infrastructural development and management to the private sector is a recipe for disaster. Private enterprises are after immediate profit maximization and quickest possible return on investment ergo have little incentive to engage in projects like these, nor maintain them properly once launched.

The UK's railway sector is a textbook example: after having been privatized at one point, it degraded to such a catastrophic state that the regime backtracked and proceeded with re-nationalization.

For Iran, continuation of state-driven infrastructural development on a grand scale in an absolute must. So far, it has yielded very good results, both in international comparison and in comparison to the pre-Revolution era. Iran's rail, road, urban transportation and other networks have grown several fold in size since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

To say that Iran's rail network is subpar because it mostly consists of single track lines would not be an valid contention. Simply because demand on these routes is not sufficient to justify the construction of parallel twin tracks - talk of white elephants. Where traffic is intensive enough however, a second track was added (as between Tehran and Mashhad due to the abundance of pilgrims, part of the Bandar Abbas line due to cargo transit, etc).

In truth, governmental planning of the national rail network has soundly reflected actual social and economic needs, which provides ample evidence as to the fact that state-driven development isn't necessarily bound to generate unprofitable works nor wastage of resources.

State-driven infrastructural development is a proven model and the crown jewel of hybrid economy, the only viable form of economic organization especially for a country like Iran. With countless, decisive historic illustrations (New Deal, 1930's Germany and USSR, 1960's France etc, the list is just too extensive). The method not only compensates for the intrinsic deficiencies of the private sector but moreover it's a source of job creation, generous and reliable like no other.

In short, this definitely forms part of the ideal response to Iran's economic challenges in the present context, marked by massive illegal USA-imposed sanctions. A sanctions regime like the one Iran has been subjected to, calls for something along the lines of a war-time economy. Under circumstances like these, which are naturally conducive to corruption, excessive privatization policies will only result in further amplifying said corruption.

The problem has more to do with the ultra-liberal belief in an unrestrained capitalist economy, which came to infest too many minds in Iran during the reconstruction phase in the aftermath of the Sacred Defence and the accession of Hashemi Rafsanjani to the presidency (note: liberal here refers to economic policy not to social and political matters; liberal economic policy = free market advocacy).

Underlying this belief is the assumption, echoed by liberal politician and technocrat Ali Akbar Salehi in an interview with IRIB a few years ago, that their preferred economic theory amounts to unquestionable "truth" akin to findings obtained through the experimental scientific method. Whereas in reality, economy is anything but a hard science: it's a human scientific discipline where psychology, sociology, culture, anthropology and above all, politics play as much if not more of a role as mathematical calculations. Economy remains a field of contradictory debate and controversy, and if there's a truth to discern, it will not be demonstrated through experiments or calculations but through rational argumentation.

All out market-oriented economic outlook acts as an obstacle to the expansion of large state-sponsored works. This sort of thinking runs counter to the spirit of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and Imam Khomeini's (r.A.) Leadership, focused as they were on addressing the plight of the downtrodden (mostazafin) and alleviating their hardships proactively.

Case in point, Iranian supporters of unfettered market economy won't shy away from requesting the privatization of fundamental infrastructures. If there's one sector which even those governments that practice the most market-friendly policies hesitate to privatize, it's infrastructures like these (national airliner, national mail service etc). Yet in Iran, advocates of no holds barred capitalism tend to be more Catholic than the Pope. Their inspiration in the theoretical arena stems from the likes of the Austrian and Chicago schools of economics, and in the realm of economic policy from figures such as Margaret Thatcher. Extremists whose ideology, if fully applied in Iran, would mechanically cause not just economic meltdown but popular revolt on a hitherto unseen scale.

Margaret Thatcher's policies hit the poor hardest – and it's happening again

Malcolm Dean: Society Guardian was launched in the wake of Margaret Thatcher's election. A brutal widening of inequality followed

www.theguardian.com

Maybe this is why the main ideological promoters of this doctrine, such as the Niavaran school or the Kian circle, mostly consist of individuals close to the liberal faction (reformist and moderate alike), i.e. forces suspected of acting as a fifth column for western imperialists. The catastrophic economic record of the Rohani administration, the worst of any cabinet under the Islamic Republic, is an testament to this, knowing that Rohani's team was deeply influenced and actively counseled by those same neoclassic economists.

Everything points to this not being merely a consequence of political myopia, infantile ideological obtuseness and/or accumulated oqde (complexes) vis à vis revolutionary enthusiasm, but deliberate promotion of counter-productive economic formulas and governance practices with the express goal of provoking domestic instability and taking aim at Velayate Faqih, in line with the agenda of Iran's existential foreign enemies. The surreal manner in which the Rohani administration implemented the fuel subsidy reform, and Rohani's even more surreal reaction when publicly asked, complete with the cynical smiles which came to characterize that government, perfectly fit the picture. Not least because they directly triggered nationwide riots.

This said, the ultra-capitalist dogma gradually crept beyond its traditional categories of adherents and ended up tainting increased segments of the principlist camp, which of course compounds the issue. This is one of the reasons why the current administration of Ebrahim Raisi is yet to attain its full potential, despite its revolutionary credentials and the undeniable, immense improvement its economic program represents over that of the previous government. Two other reasons are sabotage by liberals embedded as civil servants in various state administrations and amidst other decision making and management centers; and, the influence and power of corrupt clans.

Thank God Supreme Leader Khamenei, who has regularly denounced the capitalist order (which, remember, is not simply an economic set of rules - it's a particular type of social, cultural, political and even anthropological system of its own) is here to rein in these deviant forces as best as he can, as could be seen in a rare instance of personal intervention on his part to prevent the previous government from borrowing money from the IMF. Such a move would have ruined over four decades of strict discipline in regards to shunning the short term debt dilemma, a vicious trap so many economies the world over have fallen into but which the Islamic Republic has successfully spared the Iranian nation from.

The solution, therefore, lies in a silently pre-planned, astutely coordinated and radical revolutionary move involving all three powers as well as security agencies with the support from the top, to oust once and for all every liberal ringleader and agent acting as the enemy's footmen within the system; followed by sustained re-information efforts, so as to bring about a new generation of decision makers and managers all the while of weeding out those who're sold hook, line and sinker to the dogma of unregulated capitalism. Parallel to this, corruption must be dealt with with an iron fist.

 

[Hack-Hook]

another typical salarhaq post , long wall of words and providing the wrong data inside it and praising everything as the best possible outcome if its from a group and worst possible outcome if from another group , without looking at the facts

in comparison to the pre-Revolution era. Iran's rail, road, urban transportation and other networks have grown several fold in size since the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

its 45 year what you except , why you guys always must bring that laughing comparison

To say that Iran's rail network is subpar because it mostly consists of single track lines would not be an valid contention. Simply because demand on these routes is not sufficient to justify the construction of parallel twin tracks - talk of white elephants. Where traffic is intensive enough however, a second track was added (as between Tehran and Mashhad due to the abundance of pilgrims, part of the Bandar Abbas line due to cargo transit, etc).

again laughing argument , demand is based on capacity and availability . when you knew there is not enough service you go after what is that have enough service. and if you knew how those railway transport work you'd not have said its not important the rail way being single track or double track

In truth, governmental planning of the national rail network has soundly reflected actual social and economic needs, which provides ample evidence as to the fact that state-driven development isn't necessarily bound to generate unprofitable works nor wastage of resources.

in fact it soundly reflected neglect and lack of budget , right now if you want go from ahvaz to shiraz for example you can't find any train ticket , there simply there is no such thing , let check a route that you can't say there is no demand Shiraz to Mashhad , well there is no such thing , let say ahvaz tabriz, so is it what you are talking about , no route or no ticket . the route that you can find ticket also are available after at least 1-2 days that's the situation of our rail roiad

State-driven infrastructural development is a proven model and the crown jewel of hybrid economy, the only viable form of economic organization especially for a country like Iran. With countless, decisive historic illustrations (New Deal, 1930's Germany and USSR, 1960's France etc, the list is just too extensive). The method not only compensates for the intrinsic deficiencies of the private sector but moreover it's a source of job creation, generous and reliable like no other.

its only crown jewel of corruption , burocracy , .......

In short, this definitely forms part of the ideal response to Iran's economic challenges in the present context, marked by massive illegal USA-imposed sanctions. A sanctions regime like the one Iran has been subjected to, calls for something along the lines of a war-time economy. Under circumstances like these, which are naturally conducive to corruption, excessive privatization policies will only result in further amplifying said corruption.

excuses , excuses , excuses , even without sanction our rail transport system had the same problems .
a good example is Chabahar port , its not sanctioned , how is its development speed ?

All out market-oriented economic outlook acts as an obstacle to the expansion of large state-sponsored works. This sort of thinking runs counter to the spirit of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and Imam Khomeini's (r.A.) Leadership, focused as they were on addressing the plight of the downtrodden (mostazafin).

an example of large state own economic will be USSR economy , everybody knew how good it worked , that policy resulted in confiscation of successful private company and then bloating them and making them inefficient governmental company that were addicted to governmental money and killing the spirit of innovation in them ,
a good comparison is we have private science based company , that make the majority of innovation and cutting our reliance from foreign techs , before them how much innovation and cutting foreign reliance were actually done by governmental controlled companies ?

Everything points to this not being merely a consequence of political myopia, infantile ideological obtuseness and/or accumulated oqde (complexes) vis à vis revolutionary enthusiasm, but deliberate promotion of counter-productive economic formulas and governance practices with the express goal of provoking domestic instability and taking aim at Velayate Faqih, in line with the agenda of Iran's existential foreign enemies.

actually it exactly can be applied to the proponent of the theory that government most control and micromanage everything not just act as a overseer and supervise economy and industry , put on guidelines for private sectors

This said, the ultra-capitalist dogma gradually crept beyond its traditional categories of adherents and ended up tainting increased segments of the principlist camp, which of course compounds the issue.

so the circle of Khodi's is supposed to become smaller , again

 

[SalarHaqq]

another typical salarhaq post , long wall of words and providing the wrong data inside it and praising everything as the best possible outcome if its from a group and worst possible outcome if from another group , without looking at the facts

You're yet to actually challenge my contribution through a valid counter.

its 45 year what you except , why you guys always must bring that laughing comparison

The IR achieved much more in 43 years than the previous regime in 58 years. That onto itself says quite a lot, even if counter-revolutionaries and pro-westerners may get irked by such legitimate comparisons.

again laughing argument , demand is based on capacity and availability . when you knew there is not enough service you go after what is that have enough service. and if you knew how those railway transport work you'd not have said its not important the rail way being single track or double track

In general, demand determines supply not the other way around.

More specifically, when it comes to railways the following can be said. Relatively long distance inter-city trips in a country the size of Iran are not decided upon on a whim, they are pre-planned. Meaning that the frequency of connections becomes pretty much irrelevant, as long as the necessary minimum is met and that seats remain available.

If however the trip became necessary in a sudden manner, due to some urgent business occasion for instance, thenin the majority if cases train services won't cut it anyway because travel times will be too long, thus air travel will be preferred systematically given competitive pricing.

An exception would be closer journeys and inter-regional ones, which aren't that many in Iran, again given the country's geographic extent, the way population and economic centers are spread out, and the relatively low population density. Another exception would be the Tehran-Esfahan route, where an HSR link could indeed realistically compete with road and air travel. But that is precisely part of Iran's projects.

in fact it soundly reflected neglect and lack of budget , right now if you want go from ahvaz to shiraz for example you can't find any train ticket , there simply there is no such thing ,

let check a route that you can't say there is no demand Shiraz to Mashhad , well there is no such thing , let say ahvaz tabriz, so is it what you are talking about , no route or no ticket . the route that you can find ticket also are available after at least 1-2 days that's the situation of our rail roiad

What sort of a contention is that? "One won't find tickets" for these routes because they do not physically exist as of yet.

Everything can't be constructed in a day, even if the network expands at twice or thrice the pace of what it did under the western-subservient shah regime.

its only crown jewel of corruption , burocracy , .......

Only to ultra-capitalists viewing as their role-model the failure that is the USA.

excuses , excuses , excuses , even without sanction our rail transport system had the same problems .

Islamic Iran was sanctioned in the first months of the Revolution. Then followed eight years of Imposed War on top of several years of domestic political turmoil, during which no significant infrastructural development could logically be expected.

After the war, resources needed to be allocated to reconstruction, while sanctions kept accumulating.

However, you failed to grasp my point: nowhere did I claim sanctions slowed down the pace of Iran's railway development.

What I stated is that the sanctions environment is conducive to corruption, which is a fact. And, second more general fact, that this environment calls for a resistance economy, which is more or less another word for war time economy. As insisted upon by the Supreme Leader.

a good example is Chabahar port , its not sanctioned , how is its development speed ?

See above.

an example of large state own economic will be USSR economy , everybody knew how good it worked , that policy resulted in confiscation of successful private company and then bloating them and making them inefficient governmental company that were addicted to governmental money and killing the spirit of innovation in them ,

The USSR in the 1930's and then again during the first decade after WW2 supplanted the liberal capitalist west in development speed. So it's not merely the state's directing role in the economy which caused the USSR to experience issues during later decades. It's more complex than that.

But the USSR was not a mixed economy, and I specifically stressed the need for Iran to maintain a mixed or hybrid economy. France for instance owes whatever industrial capability it has left, mostly to the development policies of the 1960's, which saw the state play a prominent role and intervene in the economy to no small degree. Some fruits of this development model: Breguet-Dassault which can design and produce Rafales. Total-Elf. Alstom.

Then what happened since the Mitterrand-Delors duo initiated an ongoing cycle of economic liberalization and austerity measures? Simple, France has not ceased de-industrializing ever since.

More recently the dominant free market logic led to catastrophes such as the highly controversial sale of Alstom to General Electric, with the new USA parent company shutting down the French groups' entire R&D activities in turbine technology. Simply put, Alstom ceased being a player in this sector, even while MAPNA entered it at the international level. And the sale was accompanied by a major corruption case to boot. Five years and eight years on, the scandal could not be swept under the rug due to its gravity.

https://www.capital.fr/entreprises-...dune-enquete-pour-corruption-et-recel-1441482

https://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/pourquoi-la-vente-controversee-d-alstom-a-general-electric-fait-a-nouveau-parler-d-elle-20190724

a good comparison is we have private science based company , that make the majority of innovation and cutting our reliance from foreign techs , before them how much innovation and cutting foreign reliance were actually done by governmental controlled companies ?

The government keeps overseeing, organizing, intervening, legislating, planning, employing workforce, controlling resources. A correctly implemented hybrid economic system, hence its success.

Those who dream of removing the state from this equation are pushing a recipe for disaster which, if put into practice, would turn the clock back and ruin everything Iran achieved so far.

actually it exactly can be applied to the proponent of the theory that government most control and micromanage everything not just act as a overseer and supervise economy and industry , put on guidelines for private sectors

No holds barred privatization of fundamental infrastructural development and management, as well as practically every other sector of the economy, as Iranian liberals are advocating, would deprive the state of any such role. It's called neoclassic economics, in which the government is neither supposed to oversee nor to supervise anything.

And its advocates among public figures, intend to steer Iran into a direction which would inevitably result in unprecedented popular dissatisfaction and revolt, in addition to compromising every achievement scored by Iran so far in the economic department.

so the circle of Khodi's is supposed to become smaller , again

There's no room in the system for foreign agents. Treatment should depend primarily on the actions and agendas of individuals, not on how many they are.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The IR achieved much more in 43 years than the previous regime in 58 years. That says something.

compare the technology capabilities of those 58 year to todays
compare the infrastructure available then to todays
compare Iran income before 52 and iran income after the revolution.

that comparison is an skewed , political inspired nonsense as it can be

No, in general demand determines supply not the other way around.

when there is no supply the demand go to places that there is supply such as busses
and i pointed how long it take to take a ticket and how there is no ticket between iran main cities

Relatively long distance inter-city trips in a country the size of Iran are not decided upon on a whim: they are pre-planned. Meaning that the frequency of connections becomes completely irrelevant, as long as the necessary minimum is met. If however the trip became necessary in a sudden manner, as in an urgent business occasion for instance, then train services will not cut it anyway in the majority if cases because travel times will be too high and air travel will be preferred systematically given competitive pricing.

nonsense
you say Mashhad route don't have enough passenger , I say that's nonsense and you are out of touch with the reality

Utter nonsense. "One won't find "tickets"" for these routes because they do not exist physically as of yet.

Everything can't be constructed in a day, even if the network expands at twice or thrice the pace of what it did under the western-subservient shah regime.

tabriz or Mashahd or Ahvaz or shiraz route don't exist yet , what year you live in , 1324 ?
they are connected to network , you can find ticket for Tehran but you can't ticket between cities , you must first go Tehran .

Only in the mind of an ultra-capitalist who considers the USA as the beacon of mankind.

you bring out USA , never talked about it and well yest governmental economy is a cesspool that breed inefficiency , corruption, bribery and death of innovation
government must supervise , it must become small , micromanaging economy will fail .as it failed everywhere in the world .

Misplaced rhetoric. Islamic Iran was sanctioned in the first months of the Revolution. Then followed eight years of Imposed War during which no significant infrastructural development could be expected.

we have grades of sanction so stop with self victimizing nonsense

Some fruits of this development model: Breguet-Dassault which can design and produce Rafales. Total-Elf. Alstom.

today what percent of France economy is government owned and what percent is privately owned and when i say privately owned i mean privately owned not owned by some seemingly private company that are owned by government , what is the percentage for iran

The government keeps overseeing, organizing, intervening, controlling resources. A correctly implemented hybrid economic system, hence the success.

Those who dream of removing the state from this equation are pushing a recipe for disaster which, if put into practice, would turn the clock back and ruin everything Iran achieved so far.

and you failed to see the government must not be removed from equation , it must change from operational works to regulation and overseeing and supervising

No holds barred privatization of fundamental infrastructural development and management, as well as practically every other sector of the economy for instance deprives the state of any such role. It's called neoclassic economics, in which the government is neither supposed to oversee nor to supervise anything. And its advocates among public figures, intend to steer Iran into a direction which would inevitably result in unprecedented popular dissatisfaction and revolt, in addition to compromising every achievement scored by Iran so far in the economic department.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no room in the system for foreign agents. Treatment should depend primarily on the actions and agendas of individuals, not on how many they are.

you want a homogenous environment that everyone say yes to the accepted norm , no discussion , no disagreement no innovation .
in short an stagnant Swamp that suffocate any advancement , innovation and free thinking , and anybody who say no is enemy agent in your mind

 

[SalarHaqq]

compare the technology capabilities of those 58 year to todays
compare the infrastructure available then to todays

It's enough to compare Iran with comparable nations. The Islamic Republic has a great record in terms of infrastructural development. Just cope, if it's irks you.

compare Iran income before 52 and iran income after the revolution.

Oil is an impediment not an opportunity for development.

that comparison is an skewed , political inspired nonsense as it can be

Actually your rhetoric exudes political bias from start to finish.

As for my quick reminder, it's a sound and necessary comparison, I won't be intimidated into refraining from reiterating it where useful. Most Iranians are oblivious to this reality. I'll let them decide for themselves whether or not the comparison's inoperative, first we will let them know the facts. Much like they needed to be informed right away that all hard evidence speaks against the notion that Mahsa Amini was killed in custody by law enforcement. That'll be a great step already, one which the enemy and its patsies want to avoid from taking shape at all cost (I wonder why... not).

Especially when the enemy is spreading disinformation and lies 24/7 through its massive propaganda apparatus, about how developed Iran supposedly was under the toppled, western-subservient monarchy, and how much "better off" Iranians supposedly were on the material front, among other propaganda narratives. Since Iranians are being misled, it's necessary to set some historic facts and data straight.

Where are reformist and moderate figures, or their army of so-called "celebrities" when it comes to debunking this sort of rhetoric? Nowhere to be seen, because their goal is to return Iran under zio-American yoke, the shah regime is their role model.

when there is no supply the demand go to places that there is supply such as busses

When rail lines are planned and constructed in Islamic Iran, this work is done in accordance with demand because demand usually determines supply.

This is not the shah regime, which would have railway routes avoid some urban center along the way, in order to provide quicker connection to strategic points that mattered to its western patrons.

and i pointed how long it take to take a ticket and how there is no ticket between iran main cities

That's because railway lines aren't constructed overnight.

nonsense
you say Mashhad route don't have enough passenger , I say that's nonsense and you are out of touch with the reality

I addressed all you came up with, and lack time for spoon feeding.

tabriz or Mashahd or Ahvaz or shiraz route don't exist yet , what year you live in , 1324 ?
they are connected to network , you can find ticket for Tehran but you can't ticket between cities , you must first go Tehran .

Why don't you familiarize yourself with the network prior to commenting on the topic.

Indeed, there's no such thing as a direct link between Shiraz and Ahvaz, the closest exchange node would be Qom, which is located hundreds of kilometers further north. In other terms, it's as much of a detour as it one could think of. As a matter of fact no mentally stable person would want to make that journey by freaking rail.

As for Shiraz-Mashhad, as long as the Shiraz-Yazd branch isn't completed, it'd be a significant detour yet again. Hence why direct train services between the two cities wouldn't make for a very popular option right now, as they would prolong the distance by several hundreds of kilometers and travel time by hours.

you bring out USA , never talked about it and well yest governmental economy is a cesspool that breed inefficiency , corruption, bribery and death of innovation
government must supervise , it must become small , micromanaging economy will fail .as it failed everywhere in the world .

Those are slogans. The mixed economy practiced by Iran is balanced enough in this regard.

Privatizing sectors where return on investment is inherently slow and entry cost high, is not a great idea. The case of the UK is here to prove it.

Why Britain's Railway Privatization Failed

Accidents and defaults have riders clamoring for a public takeover. But will the promised reintegration work?

www.bloomberg.com

Next we'll probably hear Bloomberg is a "communist" news outlet.

we have grades of sanction so stop with self victimizing nonsense

Expecting vast expansion of a railway network during war against an adversary that was backed by virtually the entire world, not to mention the post-revolutionary political, social and economic turmoil, would be the only baseless hoax here.

today what percent of France economy is government owned and what percent is privately owned and when i say privately owned i mean privately owned not owned by some seemingly private company that are owned by government , what is the percentage for iran

Today France is experiencing rapid de-industrialization. Losing its technological edge in strategic sectors like turbine technology, while Iran on the contrary is securing global market shares for herself in that same sector.

Also, all major private corporations in France, without exception, are in the hands of people who are intrinsically linked to the ruling political elite and thus to government. As everywhere else in the west.

and you failed to see the government must not be removed from equation , it must change from operational works to regulation and overseeing and supervising

No hold barred privatization, the kind of which neoclassic economists and their followers advocate, removes government from the equation.

you want a homogenous environment that everyone say yes to the accepted norm , no discussion , no disagreement no innovation .
in short an stagnant Swamp that suffocate any advancement , innovation and free thinking , and anybody who say no is enemy agent in your mind

There's constructive pluralism and then there's infiltration under lofty but fallacious pretexts such as "free speech", "innovation", "creativity", "free thinking" (what objectionable term with its stark anti-religious / anti-clerical connotation), "democracy", "human rights" and so on, by actors whose aim is to sabotage the stability of the system and of society. There's a fine line between the two, reasons as to why certain figures in Iran would pertain to the second category have been amply discussed.

The CIA had its agents of influence among officials of the USSR, it had its infiltrators in Yugoslavia, it had them in Romania (documented cases), and it also has them in Iran - and not just a tiny handful. They need to be removed, as they've caused enough damage already.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Just cope, if it's irks you.

Just post real comparable data not data with different situation

Oil is an impediment not an opportunity for development

True but let talk abot it when some people stop selling crude oil and natural gas.

Mahsa Amini was killed in custody by law enforcement

Well technically according to judiciary medicine report she died because of negligence of police and not receiving basic life support, in time while se was at custody op police so technically while her death was not the result of being beaten by police (something I said again and again after her CT scan and photos get published) the police was responsible for death because the building they used for the occasion lacked the basic necessities to deal with such situation, their personnel lacked the necessary skills to deal with such situation and probably they lacked protocol to deal with such situation, I wonder what it has to the discussion and why you want to derail the thread. It's not about the unrest or anything else. It's about why the North South corridor delayed so much and discussion was on how the financing for the project can be achieved

Especially when the enemy is spreading disinformation and lies 24/7 through its massive propaganda apparatus, about how developed Iran supposedly was under the toppled, western-subservient monarchy, and how much "better off" Iranians supposedly were on the material front, among other propaganda narratives. Since Iranians are being misled, it's necessary to set some historic facts and data straight.

Again has nothing to do with the discussion the discussion was on how finance the rest of North South corridor
And how the founding to bolster the road network and rail road infrastructure can be achieved.

When rail lines are planned and constructed in Islamic Iran, this work is done in accordance with demand because demand usually determines supply.

This is not the shah regime, which would have railway routes avoid some urban center along the way, in order to provide quicker connection to strategic points that mattered to its western patrons.

The railroads was not finished unless you want to say the Germans built it so english can use it to ship supply to Russia in fight against Germany.
That aside I specially said mashhad so nobody can say there is no demand for the route. If there was no demand I didn't had to buy tickets from some day before

addressed all you came up with, and lack time for spoon feeding.

Only in your lala land

Why don't you familiarize yourself with the network prior to commenting on the topic.

Indeed, there's no such thing as a direct link between Shiraz and Ahvaz, the closest exchange node would be Qom, which is located hundreds of kilometers further north. In other terms, it's as much of a detour as it one could think of. As a matter of fact no mentally stable person would want to make that journey by freaking rail.

Professor.
There is rail road between those cities go to raja site and try get tickets between those cities see what happen try to get a ticket betwoon Tehran and a city that has train for Tehran and see when is the first time possible

 

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Just post real comparable data not data with different situation

Tell that to the BBC and company, as well as to the liberals in Iran who rehash the disinformation about how post-Revolution Iran really compares to the Pahlavi era.

It's both scientifically possible and politically legitimate to evaluate the respective commitment of successive governments to national development. One will never find two fully identical sets of circumstances, yet comparative studies in social science are conducted nonetheless.

True but let talk abot it when some people stop selling crude oil and natural gas.

It puts to rest any notion that the Islamic Republic's superior record in infrastructural development is due to supposedly greater income from crude exports (itself subject to debate given how post-Revolution, Iran has been exporting less oil in absolute numbers than she used to, while population rose sharply).

Well technically according to judiciary medicine report she died because of negligence of police and not receiving basic life support, in time while se was at custody op police so technically while her death was not the result of being beaten by police (something I said again and again after her CT scan and photos get published) the police was responsible for death because the building they used for the occasion lacked the basic necessities to deal with such situation, their personnel lacked the necessary skills to deal with such situation and probably they lacked protocol to deal with such situation,

As I highlighted elsewhere, it will make a decisive difference in how the news will be received by the public if negligence in first aid rather than the fictive story of a murder is talked about. Which is precisely why the enemy has insisted on spreading this fabrication as widely as it could, bringing even a UN agency to repeat the lie, not to mention mainstream media.

It's about why the North South corridor delayed so much

This question should be put to the precedent administration and every actor who deliberately obstructed the expansion of ties between Iran and emerging powers challenging western unipolarism.

Again has nothing to do with the discussion the discussion was on how finance the rest of North South corridor
And how the founding to bolster the road network and rail road infrastructure can be achieved.

I addressed what was put to me.

The railroads was not finished unless you want to say the Germans built it so english can use it to ship supply to Russia in fight against Germany.

The design of the route circumvented several important population centers and reasons behind that had little to do with Iranian interests. The Germans - governed by the Republic of Weimar when the project was started, and other Europeans as well as the Americans who participated in it did have interests of their own. The Trans-Iranian railway was very much completed at the time of its inauguration in 1938.

That aside I specially said mashhad so nobody can say there is no demand for the route. If there was no demand I didn't had to buy tickets from some day before

It's this demand that is motivating the construction of the Shiraz-Yazd branch, specifically aimed at opening a viable corridor between Shiraz and Mashhad.

Only in your lala land

...will say only he who did not pay enough attention to the discussion thread.

Professor.
There is rail road between those cities go to raja site and try get tickets between those cities see what happen try to get a ticket betwoon Tehran and a city that has train for Tehran and see when is the first time possible

I posted the map of currently operating Iranian rail lines. There's no proper connection between Shiraz and Ahvaz, given that the shortest link leads through Qom, that is to say a more than two fold detour in terms of distance. At present, what sane person will want to travel between these two cities by rail?

Regarding the intensity of traffic on existing single track lines, the maximum capacity of most of these exceeds current transit frequencies. Therefore, hypothetical scarcity of train seats can be remedied by increasing the rolling stock. In other words those lines can accommodate more train services, so buy or manufacture more rolling stock and issues of this order will be fixed. The demand threshold beyond which double tracks become an urgent investment is yet to be reached in the majority of cases.

 

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As I highlighted elsewhere, it will make a decisive difference in how the news will be received by the public if negligence in first aid rather than the fictive story of a murder is talked about. Which is precisely why the enemy has insisted on spreading this fabrication as widely as it could, bringing even a UN agency to repeat the lie, not to mention mainstream media.

again , complain to Islamic republic , why they were not the ones who broadcast the news first and control the media .
why they let Iran International and some other news agency break out the news in a twisted way , why I first heard the news here from another person who read about it on twitter several day after the incident instead of official channels ?
answer those and you take the first step to prevent the ones who want abuse the news for their agendas .

This question should be put to the precedent administration and every actor who deliberately obstructed the expansion of ties between Iran and emerging powers challenging western unipolarism.

the north south corridor while benefit Russia become on board at first designed for trade with Caucasus and central Asia and easier way for their access to India and China and east Asia market and that one also delayed because of not enough investment in the project and honestly i doubt many of those countries care at all about western unipolarism , I rather blame it on some politician lack of vision and some corruption

The design of the route circumvented several important population centers and reasons behind that had little to do with Iranian interests. The Germans - governed by the Republic of Weimar when the project was started, and other Europeans as well as the Americans who participated in it did have interests of their own. The Trans-Iranian railway was very much completed at the time of its inauguration in 1938.

Trans Iranian railway in 1938

and Mohammad Reza was not King Reza so he abandoned everything when he was young and later he was interested in other things

It's this demand that is motivating the construction of the Shiraz-Yazd branch, specifically aimed at opening a viable corridor between Shiraz and Mashhad.

why shiraz , say Ahvaz , say Tabriz to Mashhad there is no direct line , do we have people more religious than people of Azerbaijan in Iran ?can you honestly tell there is no demand for that route ?

I posted the map of currently operating Iranian rail lines. There's no proper connection between Shiraz and Ahvaz, given that the shortest link leads through Qom, that is to say a more than two fold detour in terms of distance. At present, what sane person will want to travel between these two cities by rail?

the exact person who already had to travel the same route by bus.
the bus go Tehran or Qom and from there go Mashhad , they don't cross the desert from Yazd to Mashhad
now if you prefer to travel 36-48 hour by bus instead of around 30-35 hours by train is something else

Therefore, hypothetical scarcity of train seats can be remedied by increasing the rolling stock.

rolling stock for more than 24 hour route ? , and its not only capacity , its also about travel time