Capture of a sucide bomber
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**** some on use these youngs for killing of inocents ha should be arrested and hanged on they minar e pakistan.
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Its got nothing to do with using brain.....poor socioeconomic status coupled with absolute lack of education....pushes these families to send their kids to die in the name of Jihad.....the kid dies running after his fantasy of some so called virgins.....and the family gets some money to feed the rest of who are alive........for some time though...then the entire cycle repeats itself........with a new family...new kid and a new suicide bomber bing born......to die and take some innocent people along with him...
lemme tell you something, menwho are holding him..... they got lot of balls to do what they're doing, to capture a walking talking bomb, holding his arms anything could go wrong, many people would just piss their pants in that situation.
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Well I hail the courage of the men in uniform holding up this misled creature.....
I wonder what goes in the mind of a suicide bomber.....the hatred towards anyone can not be the only motivation here......it has to be a combination of willingnes to die for ones family.....die for his believes...or may be die because you know that the life is not going to be any better than living in hell..... so why not just die.....and let your family enjoy your afterlife.....
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Hi,
Most of these kids are from very poor families---they have been promised cash payment to the families if they blow themself up. A lot of these young kids sacrifice their lives so that their parents and siblings may get better promised life.
They have had so little in their lives---they have been so deprived that---for them the loss of lives of their victims is something meaningless.
So---it is not the promise of heavens all the time that these young kids lay their lives.
Most of these kids are from very poor families---they have been promised cash payment to the families if they blow themself up. A lot of these young kids sacrifice their lives so that their parents and siblings may get better promised life.
They have had so little in their lives---they have been so deprived that---for them the loss of lives of their victims is something meaningless.
So---it is not the promise of heavens all the time that these young kids lay their lives.
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Well poverty alone can not be the only reason to push someone to take the extreme step of blowing himself along with other innocent men/women/children... There must be some level of motivation in the name of whatever..that practically blinds these guys to go through with this horrendous and inhumane task......
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As Harsh as it may sound.. We need to use Israel's approach to not only kill the Suicide Bomber but the Family as well.. that'll give the suicide bomber one incentive to not kill himself as his family will get no money but a straw of bullets.. indeed sounds harsh and inhumane but drastic measures need to be taken if you intend to save hundreds of other lives
IMHO the morality of suicide (or Kamikaze) bombing and the motivation of the bombers deserve to be discussed, and in greater earnest than is customary; but for reasons given below, not on the basis of these photographs.
To provide some background: these pcitures, allegedly taken on 8 September 2008 in Nowshera Cantt, were criculated according to one account by Zaid Hamid of Brasstacks in an email to a number of recipients:
Based, presumably, on this email these pictures (plus one more) were posted on 19 Sep 2008 by a Fauzan Sohail on his online news and entertainment blog, WeCite, with the following introductory background:
From here the pictures seem to have spread on the Internet. On 8 September 2008, APP carried one version of the story (that on the report of suspicious local residents, Nowshera police had arrested a boy), while on the same day ISPR issued a Press Release with an entirely different version of the story (that 2 JCOs "daringly" foiled a suicide bomber targetting a Security Forces convoy). On 9 September 2008, one, or the other, or both versions of the story were carried by the Daily Times, The News, The Dawn, Pakistan Observer, and Geo TV, among others. On 13 September, The News reported that:
As best as I can tell, there was a complete news blackout after that, and no one knows the fate of the hapless boy.
As for the pictures, unfortunately Fauzan Sohail's link to Brasstacks (provided in the quote above) does not lead to the photographs he posted, so it is difficult to form a view on their credibility. Interestingly, the photographs posted above by "Thorosius" are significantly clearer than Fauzan's. It would be most helpful therefore if he would agree to reveal where he got his photographs from. This is becasue these photographs raise more questions than they answer:
1. We know nothing definite about their source; not even where they were taken ("Sorry, don't know where he was captured. Probably swat" or "the Nowshera boy"), when, by whom, and in what circumstances? According to Dawn, "The boy was near a church in the Cantonment area when he was apprehended."
2. It is hard to believe that there was a photographer handy to take these pictures of the "live" capture of this boy. Certainly the photographs are hard to reconcile with any of the published accounts. If not "live" then was it a re-enactment shortly, or much, after capture? If a re-enactment, then could it have been completely staged? After all, in this irregular war, as the US Army Field Manuals tell us, the "control of the narrative" (by propaganda, or any of its fancier new names) is far more important than the control of the physical terrain.
3. Look at the first picture: the boy's shirt is stuffed on the top of his suicide jacket. Without this bit of staging, the impact of the picture would have been quite the opposite: a small frightened boy, being held by three armed men, with anothr standing guard in the distance. So, was the kid walking around with his shirt stuffed into his suicide jacket at the top, when he was captured? If not, was it stuffed for him, before the picture was taken? If so, could the suicide jacket also have been provided and strapped to him by the same gentlemen?
4. Who were his target? Official accounts have shifted over time ("Security Forces convoy ," "cantonment area," and finally, "PAF Academy in Risalpur"). All the pictures show a completely deserted, fully secured area, without any sign of any vehicle or pedestrian. Was he going to blow up just himself? Where are all the people: the civilians or soldiers who are said to have noticed him? In most cases, law and order personnel have a hard time controlling crowds in public arrest situations, why haven't even two or three people gathered to oggle at this arrest?
No disrespect intended, but given the times, the credibility of these photographs is open to serious questions. I, for one, would hold my judgment.
To provide some background: these pcitures, allegedly taken on 8 September 2008 in Nowshera Cantt, were criculated according to one account by Zaid Hamid of Brasstacks in an email to a number of recipients:
Based, presumably, on this email these pictures (plus one more) were posted on 19 Sep 2008 by a Fauzan Sohail on his online news and entertainment blog, WeCite, with the following introductory background:
From here the pictures seem to have spread on the Internet. On 8 September 2008, APP carried one version of the story (that on the report of suspicious local residents, Nowshera police had arrested a boy), while on the same day ISPR issued a Press Release with an entirely different version of the story (that 2 JCOs "daringly" foiled a suicide bomber targetting a Security Forces convoy). On 9 September 2008, one, or the other, or both versions of the story were carried by the Daily Times, The News, The Dawn, Pakistan Observer, and Geo TV, among others. On 13 September, The News reported that:
As best as I can tell, there was a complete news blackout after that, and no one knows the fate of the hapless boy.
As for the pictures, unfortunately Fauzan Sohail's link to Brasstacks (provided in the quote above) does not lead to the photographs he posted, so it is difficult to form a view on their credibility. Interestingly, the photographs posted above by "Thorosius" are significantly clearer than Fauzan's. It would be most helpful therefore if he would agree to reveal where he got his photographs from. This is becasue these photographs raise more questions than they answer:
1. We know nothing definite about their source; not even where they were taken ("Sorry, don't know where he was captured. Probably swat" or "the Nowshera boy"), when, by whom, and in what circumstances? According to Dawn, "The boy was near a church in the Cantonment area when he was apprehended."
2. It is hard to believe that there was a photographer handy to take these pictures of the "live" capture of this boy. Certainly the photographs are hard to reconcile with any of the published accounts. If not "live" then was it a re-enactment shortly, or much, after capture? If a re-enactment, then could it have been completely staged? After all, in this irregular war, as the US Army Field Manuals tell us, the "control of the narrative" (by propaganda, or any of its fancier new names) is far more important than the control of the physical terrain.
3. Look at the first picture: the boy's shirt is stuffed on the top of his suicide jacket. Without this bit of staging, the impact of the picture would have been quite the opposite: a small frightened boy, being held by three armed men, with anothr standing guard in the distance. So, was the kid walking around with his shirt stuffed into his suicide jacket at the top, when he was captured? If not, was it stuffed for him, before the picture was taken? If so, could the suicide jacket also have been provided and strapped to him by the same gentlemen?
4. Who were his target? Official accounts have shifted over time ("Security Forces convoy ," "cantonment area," and finally, "PAF Academy in Risalpur"). All the pictures show a completely deserted, fully secured area, without any sign of any vehicle or pedestrian. Was he going to blow up just himself? Where are all the people: the civilians or soldiers who are said to have noticed him? In most cases, law and order personnel have a hard time controlling crowds in public arrest situations, why haven't even two or three people gathered to oggle at this arrest?
No disrespect intended, but given the times, the credibility of these photographs is open to serious questions. I, for one, would hold my judgment.
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afpakwar >> If, by your hair-splitting, you tried to prove that this was staged, then the obvious question would be "Why" cause we already know that TTP and other groups have always used teens to carry out suicide bombings.
It is interesting that regardless of religion and race a human being is extremely prone to mental exploitation. Suicide bombers, Americans blindly supporting so called WOT after 911, Germans following Hitler solely because they were fed that the German race is superior to all others are examples of this. Human history is full of them. So does this indicated that 'majority' of humans are basically stupid?
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It is interesting that regardless of religion and race a human being is extremely prone to mental exploitation. Suicide bombers, Americans blindly supporting so called WOT after 911, Germans following Hitler solely because they were fed that the German race is superior to all others are examples of this. Human history is full of them. So does this indicated that 'majority' of humans are basically stupid?
