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CIA War Crimes and Terrorism in Pakistan

Who the heck are we to ask for proof from these people.They follow the policy of 'might is right' -
These are NOT supportable smears. But you don't care about collecting evidence and weighing facts, do you? I guess calling names suffices to provide you with the beaming approval of your superiors and maybe even your family?
 
These are NOT supportable smears. But you don't care about collecting evidence and weighing facts, do you? I guess calling names suffices to provide you with the beaming approval of your superiors and maybe even your family?

Instead of getting personal, I would like you to contemplate and enlighten us with the evidences and facts that we were unable to collect and weigh respectively.
 
Instead of getting personal, I would like you to contemplate and enlighten us with the evidences and facts that we were unable to collect and weigh respectively.
why rely on me rather than seek the facts and their context yourself?
 
i just wish for once that we had a strong government that would slap cia in the face for that.


usa should stop talking about human rights and democracy, because they are the ones who are starting wars all over the world for no reason and killing hundreds of thousands innocents.
 
usa should stop talking about human rights and democracy, because they are the ones who are starting wars all over the world for no reason and killing hundreds of thousands innocents.
Or is that just what the ISI wants you to think? Do you even care enough to seek the answer?
 
i just wish for once that we had a strong government that would slap cia in the face for that.


usa should stop talking about human rights and democracy, because they are the ones who are starting wars all over the world for no reason and killing hundreds of thousands innocents.

Yeah sure we start wars all over. Keep thinking that.
 
Yes , in an open democracy you can guide public opinion no doubt via your media policy etc. but you can't hide the truth .....

Hope you agree with one thing ... with so many conspiracy theories coming out of Pakistan on a daily basis , its credibility has taken a serious beating , so does the power to influence global or even regional opinions ...

indeed my dear,

Its all about who shouts louder and non-stop whether or not his Iraqi dossier is a sham and still the appetite for war is leading it to a virtual default, indeed credibility is a casualty here
 
If they are a terrorist organization, why did Pakistan allow them inside their territory? And, you have not complained when CIA was arming pakistan and Afghan groups in 80's?

Pakistan and Pakistani peace loving pplz don't want them or allow these evilz within our country. It is the sellouts and traitorz within our govt let these morons/CIA/terrorists within the country and the other pplz don't know anything about that.....Luckily Raymond Davis openedup everything........
In 1980's our public were ignorant about these CIA morons....now we came to know their evil face.........and I realli agree with ure post above........these morons/killerz shold be shot to death right away..............Insha-Allah.........:what:
 
I think you're a sick man. Don't just claim something. Show us proof. You claim there were U.S. gov't press briefings about blood revenge and eradication targeting a specific ethnic group. if that was the case you'd be able to make your case from the preponderance of on-line evidence. Instead you've shown nothing. Why should anybody believe you?


Selective memory syndrome?
Should I point out the ranting in the Fox news channel by the likes of Rumsfeld and Armitage? Or should I point out the American refusal of Saudi offer of trying Osama under Islamic Sharia Law as requested by Taliban? They were willing to listen but it was US war mongers that wanted blood.

I know it sounds very anti American but that’s how the events played out. The Pashtons were punished for the sole reason that Taliban belonged to that group and the American “allies” in Afghanistan I.e. Northern alliance were mortal enemies of the Pashtons and used the opportunity to marginalise them in the social and political structure after the fall of the Taliban regime . The result is clear, you have an unstable Afghanistan where Taliban stage attacks with impunity at the highly secure buildings, they assassinate governors’ and other officials and also kill their foreign trainers while the NATO has bombing of marriage , funeral and tribal gatherings under its name.


Indeed I am sick, I am sick of this mind numbing tendency where people refuse to accept that their plans were flawed and their actions have made the world even more dangerous than it was before.
 
Soldier gets 3 years for part he played in deaths of Afghan civilians

Joint Base Lewis-Mcchord, Washington (CNN) -- A military judge sentenced a soldier accused of being part of a rogue Army "kill squad" that murdered civilians in Afghanistan to three years in military prison and to receive a bad-conduct discharge Friday.

At the opening of his court martial for allegedly killing civilians in Afghanistan, Army Specialist Adam Winfield pleaded guilty to manslaughter and use of an illegal controlled substance.

Winfield is one of six soldiers from the 5th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division who, while on assignment in Afghanistan, are accused of participating in illegal killings of civilians and covering up the alleged crimes by making it appear as if they were insurgents. An additional six soldiers are accused with lesser crimes in the case, including helping to cover up the killings.

Winfield originally faced five charges including murdering three Afghan civilians, but Friday accepted a plea agreement with prosecutors to plead guilty to lesser charges and agree to testify against other soldiers in the case. He faced a maximum of 17 years behind bars.

With time already served, Winfield will serve about two more years and will be demoted to the rank of private. He will also receive a bad-conduct discharge, rather than the more severe dishonorable discharge.

During his testimony Friday, Winfield told the military court that he was afraid of his Staff Sergeant.

He said Sgt. Calvin Gibbs concocted "scenarios" where the men would select Afghan civilians to murder and then place weapons on them so they would appear to be insurgents who had attacked U.S. forces first.

During a May 2010 mission to a village called Qualaday, Winfield testified that Sgt. Gibbs pointed to an unarmed Afghan man.

"Is this the guy?" Winfield testified Gibbs asked him and Pvt. Jeremy Morlock.

"I had an idea that Sgt. Gibbs was looking for a kill," Winfield testified.

The soldiers separated the man from his wife and young children, Winfield said. Then, he said, they killed the man by throwing a grenade at his feet and shooting him. They later claimed the Afghan man had thrown the grenade at them.

Winfield said Friday he fired his automatic weapon away from the man as to pretend to have taken part in the alleged murder. But he admitted he did nothing to keep his fellow soldiers from carrying out the alleged execution of an unarmed civilian.

"I didn't say no, I didn't object to it," Winfield told the court.

Winfield said the group's alleged ringleader, Sgt. Gibbs, was concerned he would talk about the alleged murders. Gibbs, Winfield said, threatened that he could kill him and make it look like an accident had taken place while Winfield was repairing a vehicle or working out in the gym. When Winfield went to speak with an Army Chaplain about depression he was suffering from, he said Gibbs intercepted him.

"Sgt. Gibbs reminded me I shouldn't be talking about things I shouldn't be talking about," Winfield testified.

Although Winfield said he was pressured to keep quiet, he testified no one forced him to take place in the alleged killings.

"If I had done my duty, he would still be alive," Winfield said, referring to the Afghan man he said his fellow soldiers murdered.

In March, another soldier, Pvt. Morlock, pleaded guilty to killing that man and two other Afghan civilians for thrills and covering up the murders.

Morlock's chilling testimony painted a picture of soldiers gone rogue -- abusing drugs, executing Afghan civilians they referred to as "savages" and posing in photographs over the dead men. Morlock is serving a 24-year sentence in prison.

Sgt. Gibbs, who also faces court martial in the case, has said the killings were justified under Army rules of engagement. Gibbs is also accused of taking body parts from the dead men to keep as grisly souvenirs.

Winfield's father, Christopher Winfield, previously told reporters that his son had told him about the alleged killings and that he was afraid that his fellow soldiers might target him for speaking out. Christopher Winfield said he tried to report the group's alleged actions to the Army but was ignored.

The Army has said it is investigating the claims made by Winfield's father that he tried to alert officials about the alleged murders.

During testimony Friday, both of Winfield's parents lashed out at the Army for what they called a failure to act on the information they had provided. But Emma Winfield said her son takes responsibility for his part in the alleged murders.

"Adam definitely understands the error that he made," she said. "He is filled with remorse."




In halting testimony before he was sentenced, Winfield told the court: "I was sorry for what happened here, I wish it didn't go the way that it did," he said. "I wish I had been braver."


So its okay to get off war crimes if you are a coward or just plain sorry. Then how are we to blame anyone the courts here when they free these terrorists with a slap on the wrist?
 
This cry-baby attitude has to go for Pakistan. Period.

IF you think CIA violates your sovereignty , kills "innocent" people , is involved in "revenge killings" , then show them the door.

Guess one needs balls for that ... standing upto Uncle Sam ....

CIA buys those who make decisions in Pakistan, so it is not 'balls' but integrity which is missing in Pakistani politics.
 
Soldier gets 3 years for part he played in deaths of Afghan civilians

Joint Base Lewis-Mcchord, Washington (CNN) -- A military judge sentenced a soldier accused of being part of a rogue Army "kill squad" that murdered civilians in Afghanistan to three years in military prison and to receive a bad-conduct discharge Friday.

At the opening of his court martial for allegedly killing civilians in Afghanistan, Army Specialist Adam Winfield pleaded guilty to manslaughter and use of an illegal controlled substance.

Winfield is one of six soldiers from the 5th Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division who, while on assignment in Afghanistan, are accused of participating in illegal killings of civilians and covering up the alleged crimes by making it appear as if they were insurgents. An additional six soldiers are accused with lesser crimes in the case, including helping to cover up the killings.

Winfield originally faced five charges including murdering three Afghan civilians, but Friday accepted a plea agreement with prosecutors to plead guilty to lesser charges and agree to testify against other soldiers in the case. He faced a maximum of 17 years behind bars.

With time already served, Winfield will serve about two more years and will be demoted to the rank of private. He will also receive a bad-conduct discharge, rather than the more severe dishonorable discharge.

During his testimony Friday, Winfield told the military court that he was afraid of his Staff Sergeant.

He said Sgt. Calvin Gibbs concocted "scenarios" where the men would select Afghan civilians to murder and then place weapons on them so they would appear to be insurgents who had attacked U.S. forces first.

During a May 2010 mission to a village called Qualaday, Winfield testified that Sgt. Gibbs pointed to an unarmed Afghan man.

"Is this the guy?" Winfield testified Gibbs asked him and Pvt. Jeremy Morlock.

"I had an idea that Sgt. Gibbs was looking for a kill," Winfield testified.

The soldiers separated the man from his wife and young children, Winfield said. Then, he said, they killed the man by throwing a grenade at his feet and shooting him. They later claimed the Afghan man had thrown the grenade at them.

Winfield said Friday he fired his automatic weapon away from the man as to pretend to have taken part in the alleged murder. But he admitted he did nothing to keep his fellow soldiers from carrying out the alleged execution of an unarmed civilian.

"I didn't say no, I didn't object to it," Winfield told the court.

Winfield said the group's alleged ringleader, Sgt. Gibbs, was concerned he would talk about the alleged murders. Gibbs, Winfield said, threatened that he could kill him and make it look like an accident had taken place while Winfield was repairing a vehicle or working out in the gym. When Winfield went to speak with an Army Chaplain about depression he was suffering from, he said Gibbs intercepted him.

"Sgt. Gibbs reminded me I shouldn't be talking about things I shouldn't be talking about," Winfield testified.

Although Winfield said he was pressured to keep quiet, he testified no one forced him to take place in the alleged killings.

"If I had done my duty, he would still be alive," Winfield said, referring to the Afghan man he said his fellow soldiers murdered.

In March, another soldier, Pvt. Morlock, pleaded guilty to killing that man and two other Afghan civilians for thrills and covering up the murders.

Morlock's chilling testimony painted a picture of soldiers gone rogue -- abusing drugs, executing Afghan civilians they referred to as "savages" and posing in photographs over the dead men. Morlock is serving a 24-year sentence in prison.

Sgt. Gibbs, who also faces court martial in the case, has said the killings were justified under Army rules of engagement. Gibbs is also accused of taking body parts from the dead men to keep as grisly souvenirs.

Winfield's father, Christopher Winfield, previously told reporters that his son had told him about the alleged killings and that he was afraid that his fellow soldiers might target him for speaking out. Christopher Winfield said he tried to report the group's alleged actions to the Army but was ignored.

The Army has said it is investigating the claims made by Winfield's father that he tried to alert officials about the alleged murders.

During testimony Friday, both of Winfield's parents lashed out at the Army for what they called a failure to act on the information they had provided. But Emma Winfield said her son takes responsibility for his part in the alleged murders.

"Adam definitely understands the error that he made," she said. "He is filled with remorse."




In halting testimony before he was sentenced, Winfield told the court: "I was sorry for what happened here, I wish it didn't go the way that it did," he said. "I wish I had been braver."


So its okay to get off war crimes if you are a coward or just plain sorry. Then how are we to blame anyone the courts here when they free these terrorists with a slap on the wrist?

Three years in prison for murdering innocent civillians, now, that is what we call uncle sam's justice!
 

Three years in prison for murdering innocent civillians, now, that is what we call uncle sam's justice!

It is just a showoff nothing else. As soon as news is out from media, he will be out from jail.
 
Or is that just what the ISI wants you to think? Do you even care enough to seek the answer?

ISI? are u serious, ISI doesnt even control any tv channel in Pakistan but CIA does in usa and they even control some newspapers too.

you dont care for ppl who lost their lives but i do, u need to seek a true answer not me.
 
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