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Everyone wrote off the Syrian army. Take another look now

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While the world still rages on at Russia’s presumption in the Middle East – to intervene in Syria instead of letting the Americans decide which dictators should survive or die – we’ve all been forgetting the one institution in that Arab land which continues to function and protect the state which Moscow has decided to preserve: the Syrian army. While Russia has been propagandising its missiles, the Syrian military, undermanned and undergunned a few months ago, has suddenly moved on to the offensive. Earlier this year, we may remember, this same army was being written off, the Bashar al-Assad government said to be reaching its final days.

We employed our own army of clichés to make the case for regime change. The Syrian army was losing ground – at Jisr al-Shugour and at Palmyra – and so we predicted that the whole Assad state had reached a “tipping point”.

Then along came Vladimir Putin with his air and missile fleets and suddenly the whole place is transformed. While we huffed and puffed that the Russians were bombing the “moderate” rebels – moderates who had earlier ceased to exist according to America’s top generals – we’ve been paying no attention to the military offensive which the Syrians themselves are now staging against the Nusra Front fighters around Aleppo and in the valley of the Orontes.

Syrian commanders are now setting the coordinates for almost every Russian air strike. They were originally giving between 200 and 400 coordinates a night. Now the figure sometimes reaches 800. Not that the Russians are going after every map reference, of course. The Syrians have found that the Russians do not want to fire at targets in built-up areas; they intend to leave burning hospitals and dead wedding parties to the Americans in Afghanistan. This policy could always change, of course. No air force bombs countries without killing civilians. Nor without crossing other people’s frontiers.

But the Russians are now telling the Turks – and by logical extension, this information must go to the Americans – their flight coordinates. Even more remarkable, they have set up a hotline communications system between their base on the Syrian Mediterranean coast and the Israeli ministry of defence in Tel Aviv. More incredible still is that the Israelis – who have a habit of targeting Syrian and Iranian personnel near the Golan Heights – have suddenly disappeared from the skies. In other words, the Russians are involved in a big operation, not a one-month wonder that is going on in Syria. And it is likely to continue for quite a time.

The Syrians were originally anxious to move back into Palmyra, captured by Isis last May, but the Russians have demonstrated more interest in the Aleppo region, partly because they believe their coastal bases around Lattakia are vulnerable. The Nusra Front has fired several missiles towards Lattakia and Tartous and Moscow has no desire to have its air force targeted on the ground. But the Syrian army is now deploying its four major units – the 1st and 4th Divisions, Republican Guards and Special Forces – on the battle fronts and are moving closer to the Turkish border.

Russian air strikes around the Isis “capital” of Raqqa may or may not be hurting Isis, although the Syrians like to boast that they have plenty of intelligence coming to them from the city. Interesting, if true, because Isis personnel are specialists in torturing to death “agents of the regime” and it would be a brave man to pass on information to Damascus. Yet travellers’ tales can be true. There’s a regular civilian bus route from Raqqa to Damascus – buses have an odd habit of crossing front lines in most civil wars – and if passengers prefer not to talk to journalists, they will talk of what they have seen when they get home.

All this is only the beginning of Mr Putin’s adventure. He is proving to be quite a traveller to the Middle East – and has already made firm friends of another pillar of the region, that President-Field Marshal who scored more than 96 per cent at the polls and who currently rules Egypt. But the Egyptian army, fighting its little war in Sinai, no longer has strategic experience of a major war. Nor, despite their dalliance in the air over Yemen, Libya, Syria and other targets of opportunity, do the present military authorities in Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and Jordan have much understanding of how a real war is fought. Libya’s own army is in bits. Iraq’s military has scarcely earned any medals against its Islamist enemies.

But there is one factor which should not be overlooked.

If it wins – and if it holds together and if its manpower, which is admittedly at a low level, can be maintained – then the Syrian military is going to come out of this current war as the most ruthless, battle-trained and battle-hardened Arab army in the entire region. Woe betide any of its neighbours who forget this

Everyone wrote off the Syrian army. Take another look now | Voices | The Independent
 
I write off any army that can lose huge amounts of land despite outnumbering what is mostly untrained infantry


In that case so did the Roman army which lost pretty much all their land to Huns.
 
There is no syrian army left in syria. Rebels fighting iranian hezbollah and russian drunkards now.

Rebels are the real syrian army which defected from criminal asad Regime.
 
There is no syrian army left in syria. Rebels fighting iranian hezbollah and russian drunkards now.

Rebels are the real syrian army which defected from criminal asad Regime.

bwahaha a terrorist supporter saying it. One who need whites to save their arse should stay away from conflicts.
 
Backed by thousands of Hezbullah, Iranian troops, Iraqi militia and supported in the air by Russian might, offcourse any army would excel. However they (Syrian army) were on the receiving end from 2011-2015, so I still think that Syrian army lacks professionalism.

Putin entered the Syrian quagmire, to make the west support Asad. How ? Lemme explain. Russians have been insisting that they and Americans coordinate their airstrikes which the Americans were reluctant to accept. Putin started bombing FSA (American funded rebels) alongside ISIS, Al Nusra. Once FSA, Al Nusra is weakened, IS and Assad would be the only two options left in Syria and the west will ultimately have to support the lesser evil of the two, i.e Assad. This is Putin’s game plan, to reinforce and strengthen the position of his ally in Middle East.

There is no syrian army left in syria. Rebels fighting iranian hezbollah and russian drunkards now.

Rebels are the real syrian army which defected from criminal asad Regime.

Agreed Syrian soldiers are responsible for the worst abuses , their are videos available on youtube. They are on the offensive just because of support from thousands of troops from Iran, Hezbullah, Iraq and Russian air might.
 
Backed by thousands of Hezbullah, Iranian troops, Iraqi militia and supported in the air by Russian might, offcourse any army would excel. However they (Syrian army) were on the receiving end from 2011-2015, so I still think that Syrian army lacks professionalism.

Putin entered the Syrian quagmire, to make the west support Asad. How ? Lemme explain. Russians have been insisting that they and Americans coordinate their airstrikes which the Americans were reluctant to accept. Putin started bombing FSA (American funded rebels) alongside ISIS, Al Nusra. Once FSA, Al Nusra is weakened, IS and Assad would be the only two options left in Syria and the west will ultimately have to support the lesser evil of the two, i.e Assad. This is Putin’s game plan, to reinforce and strengthen the position of his ally in Middle East.



Agreed Syrian soldiers are responsible for the worst abuses , their are videos available on youtube. They are on the offensive just because of support from thousands of troops from Iran, Hezbullah, Iraq and Russian air might.

Bullchit. The west will not accept Asad because the refugees will Claim him to be a dictator and stay in europe. West must make sure that Asad goes to hell.

And don´t worry. West will pay Turks to kick Asad and russians out of Syria. :)
 
Bullchit. The west will not accept Asad because the refugees will Claim him to be a dictator and stay in europe. West must make sure that Asad goes to hell.

And don´t worry. West will pay Turks to kick Asad and russians out of Syria. :)

This analysis on Putin was in this week's time magazine, I agree it might not be possible, but this is what Putin is planning. Russians can't do anything to Turkey, it is a NATO member and will invite collective response from NATO, and will escalate the situation, it is only the Indians on this forum who are jumping at the thoughts of Russians becoming more aggressive.
 
This analysis on Putin was in this week's time magazine, I agree it might not be possible, but this is what Putin is planning. Russians can't do anything to Turkey, it is a NATO member and will invite collective response from NATO, and will escalate the situation, it is only the Indians on this forum who are jumping at the thoughts of Russians becoming more aggressive.


Turkey is a Muslim country. Would Christians fight for Turkey? No.
 
This analysis on Putin was in this week's time magazine, I agree it might not be possible, but this is what Putin is planning. Russians can't do anything to Turkey, it is a NATO member and will invite collective response from NATO, and will escalate the situation, it is only the Indians on this forum who are jumping at the thoughts of Russians becoming more aggressive.

All Power is with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Syrian question. He will make Syria become peace again and destroy russian and Asad warmongerers.

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Turkey is a Muslim country. Would Christians fight for Turkey? No.
Article 5 of Nato charter, calls for a collective response incase any member is attacked, please post an authentic link in the charter where it says, it would not be applicable to Muslim majority states who are members of NATO !!!
 
Article 5 of Nato charter, calls for a collective response incase any member is attacked, please post an authentic link in the charter where it says, it would not be applicable to Muslim majority states who are members of NATO !!!

That ultron guy is an idiot. he thinks NATO treaties are useless chit like the papers of criminal russian authorities and warmongerers in syria.
 
Article 5 of Nato charter, calls for a collective response incase any member is attacked, please post an authentic link in the charter where it says, it would not be applicable to Muslim majority states who are members of NATO !!!


It says, any attack on a NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. So what? This is semantics. If Russia attacks Turkey because Turkey attacks Syria, then it can be interpreted as an attack on the US. So what? The US does not have to respond. The articles does not say, if a country attacks a NATO country, any other NATO country has to attack the attacking country.
 
It says, any attack on a NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. So what? This is semantics. If Russia attacks Turkey because Turkey attacks Syria, then it can be interpreted as an attack on the US. So what? The US does not have to respond. The articles does not say, if a country attacks a NATO country, any other NATO country has to attack the attacking country.

Why should Turkey attack syria you moron? We will let them Qatari Brothers declare war on syria and sell them Turkish Weapons Systems which they will deliver to FSA (Free Syrian Army)
 
Why should Turkey attack syria you moron? We will let them Qatari Brothers declare war on syria and sell them Turkish Weapons Systems which they will deliver to FSA (Free Syrian Army)


If Qatar attacks Syria, then Iraq will attack Qatar. So Qatar not dare to attack Syria.
 

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