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F-16 sale: India’s protests will have no effect on Obama; Pakistan is too vital to US interests in Afghanistan


bySunil Raman Feb 13, 2016 13:55 IST

#Afghanistan #F-16 #ISI #Obama #Pakistan #Raheel Sharif #Taliban

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  • Narendra Modiwill get an opportunity to share his concerns once again when he travels to the US next month for Nuclear Interest Group meeting.

    In the coming hours and days Indian TV channels and anchors will go hoarse complaining about the US decision and demand that President Barack Obama take back the notification. Some will argue that US cannot be trusted and that it plays a double game. Others might question Modi government’s tilt towards the US saying the Obama administration is not sensitive to India’s security concerns.

    But, India’s protest is not going to impact the Obama Administration’s decision. Washington does not see Pakistan through India’sprismand make its strategic decisions based on bonhomie shared with New Delhi.

    Before we look at the geopolitical reality that has dictated this move it would be pertinent to note that Russia has warmed up to Pakistan. In January a Russian delegation was in Islamabad where discussions on military sales took place. Moscow has been unhappy with New Delhi’s tilt towards Washington and has, in the last couple of years, offered to sell military equipment to Pakistan.

    In November 2014, Pakistan and Russia had signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement that was followed by another ‘technical cooperation agreement’. Last year, Russia signed a deal for the sale of four Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan.

    The defence deal marked a major shift in Russian policy towards Islamabad. In this background he US government has decided to sell jets.


    F-16 fighter airplane. AFP

    Like it or not, Pakistan is central to the future of Afghanistan and US recognises that. In recent weeks the Quadrilateral Talks between Afghanistan, Pakistan, US and China have started with those involved agreeing to a broad outline within which talks would take place with Taliban. In recent months Taliban fighters have made tremendous advance in different districts of the country and the Afghan security forces have lacked both capability and capacity to challenge them. In Kunduz province 500 Taliban fighters took on a few thousand Afghan army soldiers and after holding on to the city centre for some time they have been pushed to the outskirts of the city. They continue to control the area outside and Afghan government knows that they would be challenged again the coming weeks. In Helmand province US troops are being dispatched as Afghan security forces have failed to neutralise the committed Taliban fighters.

    A major spring offensive is expected from Taliban once snows melt. Washington needs Pakistan’s support to influence Taliban factions to join talks for peace. While it is widely believed that Pakistan’s army and ISI have ample leverage with Taliban the generals have informed the Americans that they have limited influence and their role should not be taken for granted.

    Whatever the fact may be, Pakistan cannot be ignored. That is a given around which any discussion or debate on military sales to Islamabad can be conducted. India’s stand notwithstanding, the US believes that Pakistan has been a victim of terrorism and backs army offensive in the tribal areas. General Raheel Sharif and US Army chief have telechats daily to discuss the security situation.

    Another reality that stares at South Asia is that the US will soon be consumed by presidential elections. With Iowa and New Hampshire primaries behind us the entire US administration will get into election mode come May. President Obama would soon become a lame duck president and but for important foreign policy decisions no other decision would be taken until a new occupant of White House takes charge in January 2017.

    The Obama administration has been under pressure for announcing a withdrawal of combat troops from Afghanistan without a correct assessment of the ground situation and the political reality of a weak government in Kabul. Pakistan’s geographical and demographic proximity to Afghanistan cannot be ignored any less than its political influence on that country.

    Washington uses a carrot and stick policy towards Islamabad and the decision to sell F16s needs to be seen and understood in this light.

    The author is a former BBC journalist
F-16 sale: Obama won't budge; Pakistan is too vital to US interests in Afghanistan - Firstpost
 
yet to get congress approval.....though I dont mind if Pakistan spend more money on these war toys rather than improving economy
 
yet to get congress approval.....though I dont mind if Pakistan spend more money on these war toys rather than improving economy

Unfortunately, congress approval does not matter and can be vetoed by the president. Still more unfortunately for Pakistan, this sale will go ahead despite all odds.

Sometimes I am forced to think that some of the guys in uniform would be willing to give up the Nuclear weapons in exchange for a few squadrons of F-16's. The tilt towards this jet despite its cost is baffling and devoid of any impacting reason, especially since the quantity is a mere 8 units.

I could have understood an order for 80 jets, just perhaps......but 8 is not only ridiculous, it is a sick joke!
 
How do F-16s help fight TTP? I get the Mi-28s but fighter planes? wtf is wrong with PAK military?
Whom are they arming Paksitan against? India or Iran?
 
Unfortunately, congress approval does not matter and can be vetoed by the president. Still more unfortunately for Pakistan, this sale will go ahead despite all odds.

Sometimes I am forced to think that some of the guys in uniform would be willing to give up the Nuclear weapons in exchange for a few squadrons of F-16's. The tilt towards this jet despite its cost is baffling and devoid of any impacting reason, especially since the quantity is a mere 8 units.

I could have understood an order for 80 jets, just perhaps......but 8 is not only ridiculous, it is a sick joke!

This desperation of Pakistan for mere 8 F 16's make me think about the quality of JF17s.
 
This desperation of Pakistan for mere 8 F 16's make me think about the quality of JF17s.
I know the butthurt is quite strong in this deal for india, but Pakistan is not buying these with its own money they are given under the FMF, so these are almost free.And Pakistan has no intentions to buy F-16, any F-16 that will come will be paid by US.
But i dont expect you to understand and may the butthurt be with you always
 
I know the butthurt is quite strong in this deal for india, but Pakistan is not buying these with its own money they are given under the FMF, so these are almost free.And Pakistan has no intentions to buy F-16, any F-16 that will come will be paid by US.
But i dont expect you to understand and may the butthurt be with you always

No Sir, there is no butthurt here. In fact I am sure that this 8 F16 will force India to expedite Rafale deal or even make India increase the deal number.

But you didn't answer, why is PAF so desperate for just 8 F16's.

Just like Rafale induction in IAF raise questions about Su30 MKI and Mig29K....?

SU30 MKI are heavy and air dominance fighters. On the other hand, Rafale are medium fighters, are replacements for Mig21 and are multi role fighters
 
yet to get congress approval.....though I dont mind if Pakistan spend more money on these war toys rather than improving economy
US gov has already greenlit this, nothing that anyone in congress can now do, as long as Obama claims "national security interests".
Also, this was never being sold to Pakistan, it was being given to it. Instead of giving CSF, Obama is offering 800 million dollars, and 8 surplus F-16 blk 52s. Pakistan never asked for them, the US is doing it to both repair the damage done to their relationship, and encourage Pakistan to expand ZeA to Punjab, which was already set to happen soon anyway.

Also, Pakistan's economy is improving quite a bit. It's GDP is expected to cross 300 billion by the end of next year, and 400-500 billion by 2025-2030. It's also expected to cross the trillion dollar mark between 2040-50, so within 36 years, Pakistan will become a high income economy.
 
SU30 MKI are heavy and air dominance fighters. On the other hand, Rafale are medium fighters, are replacements for Mig21 and are multi role fighters
Exactly.
Same is case with F16 & Jf17 in PAF doctrine..
 
Kind of like the Indian MKIs and Rafale.

As I said before, MKI and Rafale are different types of fighter are not replacement for each other. On the other hand F16 and JF 17 are similar type of fighters and play similar type of roles
 
US gov has already greenlit this, nothing that anyone in congress can now do, as long as Obama claims "national security interests".
Also, this was never being sold to Pakistan, it was being given to it. Instead of giving CSF, Obama is offering 800 million dollars, and 8 surplus F-16 blk 52s. Pakistan never asked for them, the US is doing it to both repair the damage done to their relationship, and encourage Pakistan to expand ZeA to Punjab, which was already set to happen soon anyway.

Also, Pakistan's economy is improve quite a bit. It's GDP is expected to cross 300 billion by the end of next year, and 400-500 billion by 2025-2030.
If that's the case, eight aircrafts are not enough....... Obama need to "Do more" in order to encourage Pakistan to do more.
Once Trump or Hillary will join office in USA, the relations between Pakistan and United States will jeopardize once again......
 

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