Fears grow that PLA may test 'carrier killer'

[Srinivas]

No need to worry about carrier killer if China can develop the missile other countries can also develop these kind of missile and do not forget, in future China also depends on carriers.

 

[prototype]

Did the Indians here really believe that Russia would build them weapons that are superior to China's?

china is still unable to develop a jet engine,they still rely on Russian engines,and about Ur plane designs,everybody know from where it came,grow up kid

 

[prototype]

Debatable.

1. MKI: Obvious advantages are Radar and Maneouverability. Radar can be countered by AWACS and maneouverability isn't too important with highly agile BVR and HMS/Off Bore-sight missiles.

1. 
   
   well thanks u accepted,about AWACS and BVR we also have them,nothing special
   
   

   [*]Brahmos only has speed.
   
   Being supersonic throughout entire flight means lots of fuel required, which means the missile is very heavy (3,000kg) and give off a lot of IR.
   
   There are a variety of LACM and AShM that China has that are just as capable and longer range. For example:
   
   YJ-12: (BrahMos spec)
   
   Weight: 1,000kg (3,000kg)
   Speed: Mach 2.5+ (Mach 2.8-3.0)
   Range: ~400km (~290km)
   Warhead: 205kg-400kg (~300kg)

   
   yes indeed speed is the main advantage of brahmos,,it was never developed keeping extended range or greater fuel efficiency in mind,it was developed keeping its speed in mind,and a hypersonic version also in development
   
   
   

   [*]Barak II is not superior to HQ-9.
   
   HQ-9: In service in 1997.
   Slant range: 120-200km
   Flight Ceiling: 30km (>98,000 ft)
   
   Barak II is under testing, range is reportedly 70km.

   
   dont have much information about barak 2,as it is still in development
   
   
   

   [*]Chinese officials have said that KJ-2000 AWACS is superior to the Phalcon.

   
   now for ur ur information nobody in the rest of world care much about what chinese officials say,give me a neutral source,well speaking about the military analysts outside china,it is still phalcon
   
   
   
   

   [*]Stealth ships:
   
   IN: 4 stealthy frigates
   PLAN: 8 stealthy destroyers, 14 stealthy frigates

was it about numbers or were we talking about quality

anway
IN-4 stealth frigates+1(november 2010)+3(2011)
stealth destroyers-1(2011 may)+2(2012)

at the mean time i have no idea how many new ships r to b inducted in PLAN

cheers:

 

[Speeder 2]

yes indeed speed is the main advantage of brahmos,,it was never developed keeping extended range or greater fuel efficiency in mind.

Thanks, Singh, for proving that brahmos would turn around upon launch and fly towards where it comes from with a super fast speed! Don't worry that it would hit you though, accuracy is never its strong suit. Just make sure that it won't drop in the mid air in a super fast fashion due to lack of fuel before reaching Delhi. Good stuff!

 

[SomeGuy]

was it about numbers or were we talking about quality

Well the type-54 frigates have been compared to French La Fayette class frigates.

The type-52B destroyers are said to comparable in capabilities to the Sovremenny but with a stealthier hull, so the 52C's and the 51C's should be more advanced.

anway
IN-4 stealth frigates+1(november 2010)+3(2011)
stealth destroyers-1(2011 may)+2(2012)

at the mean time i have no idea how many new ships r to b inducted in PLAN

cheers:

True.

The numbers I gave for PLAN included those under construction, although I was mistaken on the number of stealthy frigates - actual number is 8 in service and 2 under construction.

The thing with PLAN is that they haven't settled on a final design to start mass production. All the modern classes have been built in small numbers ~2 each. This is because new tech is becoming available all the time, so this approach is kind of sensible.

 

[Super Falcon]

welll they are cause of concern more to indians than japanese

 

[New Vision]

I have one question, when you deploy a carrier specific missile, the space earmarked for destruction is predictable, so even if a carrier which has a missle defense shield at its disposable be able to detect and destroy a hostile missile a few 100kms away and do the necessary damage. Personally , I think this Chinese anti carrier missile is going to be a waste of time, because counter measures will certainly be in place. Off course.....in the likelyhood that the counter measuers fail, then its a different scenario. And then again, aginst what will the Chinese test it, they dont have an obsolete junk carrier to test it against, so up to now it more theory. If you quote western concern, then I would write it off as simply giving the chinese the benefit of the doubt

 

[BJlaowai]

What is the terminal guidance system used in this missile?
inertial navigational system or GPS based guidance will not work, because a ship is a constantly moving target.
Infrared honing will not work, because of the super hot gases surrounding the warhead upon atmospheric re-entry. This super heated ionised gas will also prevent any radio signals based honing such as RADAR. Also, ECM suite of a sophesticated modern ship can easily jam RADARs. The same ECM suite can also jam any external guidance signals (may be via sattelites) sent to the warhead, if external guidance in real time is possible.
Todays oceans are crowded with big civilian ship, especially along the coast of China. How would any detection system differentiate between an aircraft carrier and civilian super-tanker at 2000kms range? It would be like searching a needle in the haystack, that too with the needle and and hay constantly moving. A ship moving at around 20-25 knots can cover an ocean area of approximately 7-8,000 sq. Kms. in 1 hour or 5million Sq. Kms. in 1 day. Thats a pretty big area to monitor & scan.
At Mach-10 the missile will no be very menuverable, which is required to target a warhead to a constantly moving target, with an accuracy of less than 100meters after travelling 2000Kms, assuming the warhead is conventional and not some nuclear warhead. If the accuracy is not high, then there is a possibility that the warhead is a tactical nuclear bomb, which is higly risky and can trigger a full scale nuclear exchange.

 

[conworldus]

Why can't we wait till the official result before discussing it? All the speculation, pumping, and belittling here are just pure nonsense.

 

[Hafizzz]

welll they are cause of concern more to indians than japanese

Everything is a concern to India. It is OK for India to test Missiles everyday. it is OK for India to arm herself to the teeth. It is OK for India to do anything.

 

[AbuSalam]

Originally Posted by SomeGuy
Chinese officials have said that KJ-2000 AWACS is superior to the Phalcon.

that z why the Chinese first tried to get it from Israel..and the deal never materialized due to American protests !!

 

[Cartman]

There's no need to be so concerned. Frankly China has more important things on its to do list than playing games with India.

 

[AbuSalam]

There's no need to be so concerned. Frankly China has more important things on its to do list than playing games with India.

India will be a certain headache to China in future ..will checkmate its influence with the help of US of AAA

 

[Cartman]

India will be a certain headache to China in future ..will checkmate its influence with the help of US of AAA

And what has the US of A done or have been doing WITH INDIA that indicates a meaningful future alliance? At best the USA will contain China for THEIR benefit, and you would be naive to think otherwise.

 

[SomeGuy]

that z why the Chinese first tried to get it from Israel..and the deal never materialized due to American protests !!

So they built their own, knowing the specs of the Phalcon and so had target specs to aim for or exceed.