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France orders mosque closed after 'unacceptable' preaching
AFPPublished December 28, 2021 - Updated about 8 hours ago
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This picture shows closed doors at the entrance of the mosque in Beauvais, northern France, on December 28. — AFP

This picture shows closed doors at the entrance of the mosque in Beauvais, northern France, on December 28. — AFP
France has ordered the closure of a mosque in the north of the country because of what authorities told AFP on Tuesday was the radical nature of its imam's preaching.
The mosque in Beauvais, a town of 50,000 people some 100 kilometres north of Paris, will remain shut for six months, according to the prefecture of the Oise region where Beauvais is located.
It said the sermons there incite hatred, violence and “defend jihad”.
The move on the mosque, which has a congregation of about 400, comes two weeks after Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said he had triggered the procedure to close the site because the imam there “is targeting Christians, homosexuals and Jews” in his sermons.
This, the minister said, was “unacceptable”.
Local authorities were legally bound to observe a 10-day period of information-gathering before taking action, but told AFP on Tuesday that the mosque would now be shut within two days.
Local daily Courrier Picard reported this month that the mosque's imam was a recent convert to Islam.
A lawyer for the association managing the mosque told AFP that it had filed for an injunction to overturn the ban.
The lawyer, Samim Bolaky, said there would be a court hearing on the appeal within 48 hours.
The authorities said the imam, who the association claims had preached only occasionally and had now been suspended, was in fact a regular presence at the mosque, according to the official document citing the reasons for the closure seen by AFP.
It said the imam had called the jihad, a term for war against the enemies of Islam, a “duty”, and had glorified its fighters as “heroes” who protected Islam against Western influence.
He had also labelled non-Muslims as “enemies”, it said.
“The terrorist threat remains at a very high level” and the closure had “the aim of forestalling acts of terrorism being committed”, the document said.
The French government announced earlier this year that it would step up checks of places of worship and associations suspected of spreading radical Islamic propaganda.
The crackdown came after the October 2020 murder of teacher Samuel Paty who was targeted following an online campaign against him for having shown blasphemous caricatures of the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) published by the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo during a civics class.
Following the killing, President Emmanuel Macron had said that “Islamists want our future” and vowed not to "give up cartoons".
The interior ministry said this month that around 100 mosques and Muslim prayer halls out of France's total number of more than 2,600 have been investigated over recent months because of suspicion that they were spreading “separatist” ideology.
Six sites were being probed with a view to closing them down on the basis of French laws against extremism and Islamist separatism, it said.
 
1- This has no relation to Pakistan

2- The article states why French felt uncomfortable , they have been having problems with riots
and unemployment. Last thing they need is religion to angering people

3- Obviously Covid has spread more chaos

Unfortunately they equate certain actions as freedom of expression , however it is a 100% French internal matter

However it is a French issue for their society French have history of revolts

Historic painting for their revolution
1920px-Philippoteaux_-_Lamartine_in_front_of_the_Town_Hall_of_Paris_rejects_the_red_flag.jpg



Today 2021, same unrest exists in France and it is inevitable if Public will be unhappy they will topple government French blaming stuff on Mosques is unfortunate but it is still their own internal issue

31virus-briefing-paris-protest-videoSixteenByNine3000.jpg


Organization of Muslim countries have already passed a declaration how they feel about disrespect of Prophet Mohammad by certain entities for benefit of political gain
  • Clearly states views of Muslim Nations on this regards
 
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France orders mosque closed after 'unacceptable' preaching
AFPPublished December 28, 2021 - Updated about 8 hours ago
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This picture shows closed doors at the entrance of the mosque in Beauvais, northern France, on December 28. — AFP

This picture shows closed doors at the entrance of the mosque in Beauvais, northern France, on December 28. — AFP
France has ordered the closure of a mosque in the north of the country because of what authorities told AFP on Tuesday was the radical nature of its imam's preaching.
The mosque in Beauvais, a town of 50,000 people some 100 kilometres north of Paris, will remain shut for six months, according to the prefecture of the Oise region where Beauvais is located.
It said the sermons there incite hatred, violence and “defend jihad”.
The move on the mosque, which has a congregation of about 400, comes two weeks after Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said he had triggered the procedure to close the site because the imam there “is targeting Christians, homosexuals and Jews” in his sermons.
This, the minister said, was “unacceptable”.
Local authorities were legally bound to observe a 10-day period of information-gathering before taking action, but told AFP on Tuesday that the mosque would now be shut within two days.
Local daily Courrier Picard reported this month that the mosque's imam was a recent convert to Islam.
A lawyer for the association managing the mosque told AFP that it had filed for an injunction to overturn the ban.
The lawyer, Samim Bolaky, said there would be a court hearing on the appeal within 48 hours.
The authorities said the imam, who the association claims had preached only occasionally and had now been suspended, was in fact a regular presence at the mosque, according to the official document citing the reasons for the closure seen by AFP.
It said the imam had called the jihad, a term for war against the enemies of Islam, a “duty”, and had glorified its fighters as “heroes” who protected Islam against Western influence.
He had also labelled non-Muslims as “enemies”, it said.
“The terrorist threat remains at a very high level” and the closure had “the aim of forestalling acts of terrorism being committed”, the document said.
The French government announced earlier this year that it would step up checks of places of worship and associations suspected of spreading radical Islamic propaganda.
The crackdown came after the October 2020 murder of teacher Samuel Paty who was targeted following an online campaign against him for having shown blasphemous caricatures of the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) published by the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo during a civics class.
Following the killing, President Emmanuel Macron had said that “Islamists want our future” and vowed not to "give up cartoons".
The interior ministry said this month that around 100 mosques and Muslim prayer halls out of France's total number of more than 2,600 have been investigated over recent months because of suspicion that they were spreading “separatist” ideology.
Six sites were being probed with a view to closing them down on the basis of French laws against extremism and Islamist separatism, it said.

Recent revert should not be Imam of any masjid. They could be planted by agencies to damage the reputation of Islam. There are fake scholars and Muftis just to damage the image of Islam to public in the west. They make statements in favor of Jihad, Suicide bombing, Female circumcisions, etc to show the public that Muslims are not fit to live in European liberal society. These fake Imams are connected with agencies, politicians and media outlets.
 
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Well Revert or Born Muslims that is not issue
It is just the context of your message

Is there an active war? No
What is the to most important issue in France ? Unemployment
What are people struggling with most in France ? Basic day to day expenses
Is there mistrust between Government and Muslims? Sure French are paranoid
Certain policies have hindered access to government Jobs ? Sure French Law caused this

What should the sermon focus on ?
  • Dealing with less income
  • How to work hard to overcome challenges ?
  • How people can help each other thru difficult times?
  • How to get access to Government Jobs and reduce mistrust
  • Issues facing Muslims during Covid

If you use logic / common sense

Again everything is an "Allegation"

Jihad itself is no different then self defense I am sure there are books written about for self study


No such thing as "Radical" or "None Radical" it's simply using common sense





Suspicion against religion is part of French History


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When Kingdome of France tried to control religion in in past the people eventually got fed up and toppled government
apparently, the church played role to gather "Funding" and resources to stage the revolt

Fast forward 2021 and of curse the "People in Power in France fear Revolt and Religion"
The top 5% in France who enjoy lavish life style don't want their Luxuries taken away

Check mate :coffee: That is why French have paranoid status with religion


"The Freedom of Expression is just a cloak in front of the real issue with France"
 
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1- This has no relation to Pakistan

2- The article states why French felt uncomfortable , they have been having problems with riots
and unemployment. Last thing they need is religion to angering people

3- Obviously Covid has spread more chaos

Unfortunately they equate certain actions as freedom of expression , however it is a 100% French internal matter

However it is a French issue for their society French have history of revolts

Historic painting for their revolution
1920px-Philippoteaux_-_Lamartine_in_front_of_the_Town_Hall_of_Paris_rejects_the_red_flag.jpg



Today 2021, same unrest exists in France and it is inevitable if Public will be unhappy they will topple government French blaming stuff on Mosques is unfortunate but it is still their own internal issue

31virus-briefing-paris-protest-videoSixteenByNine3000.jpg


Organization of Muslim countries have already passed a declaration how they feel about disrespect of Prophet Mohammad by certain entities for benefit of political gain
  • Clearly states views of Muslim Nations on this regards

In your view, Indians martyring mosques is also India's internal matter?

What kind a creature are you?
 
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French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin gestures as he speaks during a media conference at the Élysée Palace in Paris on December 9, 2020, as a draft law aimed at arming France against Islamist radicalism was unveiled at the weekly Cabinet meeting. © Charles Platiau/Pool Photo via AP


France has ordered the closure of a mosque in the north of the country because of the radical nature of its imam's preaching, regional authorities told AFP on Tuesday.

The mosque in Beauvais, a town of 50,000 people some 100 kilometres (62 miles) north of Paris, will remain shut for six months, according to the prefecture of the Oise region where Beauvais is located.

It said the sermons there incite hatred, violence and "defend jihad".

The move comes two weeks after Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said he had triggered the procedure to close the site because the imam there "is targeting Christians, homosexuals and Jews" in his sermons. This, the minister said, was "unacceptable".

Local authorities were legally bound to launch a 10-day period of information-gathering before taking action, but told AFP on Tuesday that the mosque would now be shut within two days.

Local daily Courrier Picard reported this month that the mosque's imam was a recent convert to Islam.

A lawyer for the association managing the mosque told AFP that it had filed for an injunction to overturn the ban.

The lawyer, Samim Bolaky, said there would be a court hearing on the appeal within 48 hours.

The authorities said the imam, who the association claims had preached only occasionally and had now been suspended, was in fact a regular presence at the mosque, according to the official document citing the reasons for the closure seen by AFP.

It said the imam had called the jihad, a term for war against the enemies of Islam, a "duty", and had glorified its fighters as "heroes" who protected Islam against Western influence.

He had also labelled non-Muslims as "enemies", it said.

"The terrorist threat remains at a very high level" and the closure had "the aim of forestalling acts of terrorism being committed", the document said.


The French government announced earlier this year that it would step up checks of places of worship and associations suspected of spreading radical Islamic propaganda.

The crackdown came after the October 2020 murder of teacher Samuel Paty who was targeted following an online campaign against him for having shown controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published by the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo during a civics class.

The interior ministry said this month that around 100 mosques and Muslim prayer halls out of France's total number of more than 2,600 have been investigated over recent months because of suspicion that they were spreading "separatist" ideology.

Six sites were being probed with a view to closing them down on the basis of French laws against extremism and Islamist separatism, it said.

(AFP)


Well done to France for leading the way, more countries should start doing this.
 
Well, it is quite soft towards radicalists. Imams in Christians countries calling to jihad against infidels should be jailed for 10 years at minimum. Imagine pastor in Muslim countries calling to Crusade.
 
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That is one depressing looking mosque ! Is this done intentionally ? it looks gloomy , dark , depressing. Is this the message the french gov. would like to convey to the people ?

keep the doors closed and the GCC should build a beautiful marble mosque for 1000 worshippers at least in the same area.
 
20 years back Christian in European countries giving their churches to Muslims for prayers but because of rising radicalism in Europe by few Muslims they have to take some measures but they must understand not all Muslims are radicals.... Only few black sheep creating confusion from both sides.
 
People see something relating to Islam in the west and automatically think something negative is going on. Take a look at Pakistan, and the amount of problems religion has indirectly contributed to it. Can you confidently say that religion is not/cannot be utilised as a method to cause violence, and cause people to be regressive/barbaric?

There could definitely be perfectly acceptable reasons for it, Pakistan should do something similar and heavily monitor mosques and control what ideas are being preached to the youth and uneducated. Install some state controlled mullahs/imams to fix the youth's minds.
 
Apparently France is lying when it claims to hold the principle of freedom of speech. Deeply hypocritical.
 

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