In Bihar, Muslims also voted for Nitish Kumar this time because the development he brought. Nitish Kumar got 85% seats in the name of development instead of caste or religion based politics. Now we have better roads, electricity, security and opportunities. Patna is getting both Monorail and Metro Rail.
India/Islam: Muslims lag behind then other minorities in India
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In Bihar, Muslims also voted for Nitish Kumar this time because the development he brought. Nitish Kumar got 85% seats in the name of development instead of caste or religion based politics. Now we have better roads, electricity, security and opportunities. Patna is getting both Monorail and Metro Rail.
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That 50% reservation is more or less a sham with seats in most cases only going to the students from community who have the necessary bank balance..but anyways anything is better than nothing.
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Govt. need to facilitate better education for muslim kids - like there are Angloindian schools where the Govt. provides aid for Angloindian kids so that they pay discounted tuition fees compared to regular Indians in the same school. All the money for Haj funds can be diverted to this purpose. And build these kind of schools near Muslim majority localities.
And encourage moderate muslim leaders instead of the conservative politicians - If only Rajiv had listened to Arif Mohammed Khan instead of encouraging religious conservatives in the Shah Bano case.
And religious discrimination laws should be passed so that the muslims are not denied houses/apartments by many Hindus. These people are moderates and it is not good making them religiously conscious.
Improve the investigative skills of law and order agencies instead of making discriminate arrests - Ku Klax Clan and Black Panthers were subdued in US due to the abilities of the law and order agencies in US.
And finally ban all religious funds from abroad - not only Islam but any religion. Those are the major factor in contributing to fundamentalism.
But this can't happen as long as we have these psuedo-secularists who look for the minority votes and not care for their welfare.
And encourage moderate muslim leaders instead of the conservative politicians - If only Rajiv had listened to Arif Mohammed Khan instead of encouraging religious conservatives in the Shah Bano case.
And religious discrimination laws should be passed so that the muslims are not denied houses/apartments by many Hindus. These people are moderates and it is not good making them religiously conscious.
Improve the investigative skills of law and order agencies instead of making discriminate arrests - Ku Klax Clan and Black Panthers were subdued in US due to the abilities of the law and order agencies in US.
And finally ban all religious funds from abroad - not only Islam but any religion. Those are the major factor in contributing to fundamentalism.
But this can't happen as long as we have these psuedo-secularists who look for the minority votes and not care for their welfare.
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India Eyes Muslims Left Behind by Quota System
Murtaza Mansuri, a Muslim rickshaw repairman, says India's Muslims need quotas to get ahead.
MUZAFFARNAGAR, India Along the narrow lane known as Khadar Wallah, Muslims and low-caste Hindus have lived side by side for years, bound by poverty, if not religion. Yet recently, Muslims like Murtaza Mansuri have noticed a change. Their neighbors have become better off.
Many of the Dalits, the low-caste Hindus once known as untouchables, have gotten government jobs, or slots in public universities, opportunities that have meant stable salaries and nicer homes. And to Mr. Mansuri the reason is clear: the affirmative action quotas for low-caste Hindus, a policy known in India as reservation, which is not explicitly available to Muslims.
We are way behind them, Mr. Mansuri, who repairs rickshaws for a living, said on a recent afternoon. Reservation is essential for Muslims. If we dont get education, we will remain backward, while others move forward and forward.
For decades, the issue of affirmative action for Muslims has been a politically fractious one in India. Many opponents, including right-wing Hindu groups, have long argued that affirmative action policies based on religion violate Indias Constitution and run counter to the countrys secular identity. Quotas, they said, should be strictly reserved for groups that have suffered centuries of caste-based discrimination.
But these arguments have been steadily countered by an undeniable and worrisome byproduct of Indias democratic development: Muslims, as a group, have fallen badly behind, in education, employment and economic status, partly because of persistent discrimination in a Hindu-majority nation. Muslims are more likely to live in villages without schools or medical facilities, a landmark government report found in 2006, and less likely to qualify for bank loans.
Now, the issue of Muslim quotas has bubbled to the surface in the recent election in the state of Uttar Pradesh, where the winner, the regional Samajwadi Party, has promised to carve out a quota of jobs and educational slots for Muslims, an idea first raised by the Indian National Congress Party. Legal and political obstacles remain, and some Muslims are skeptical that leaders will muster the political will to push through a quota, even as many consider such preferences justified and long overdue.
We also fought against the British for Indian independence, said Hafiz Aftab, president of the All-India Muttahida Mahaz, an organization that has led protests on behalf of Muslim preferences. We lost so many of our brightest people. But after freedom, the government didnt make any efforts to uplift Muslims.
In Uttar Pradesh, the countrys poorest and most populous state, all of Indias caste and religious demarcations are on vivid display. It was here that one of Indias most searing acts of religious violence occurred in 1992, when an ancient mosque was destroyed by right-wing Hindu activists who claimed that it had been built on the site of the birthplace of Ram, the Hindu deity.
Indians in Uttar Pradesh have also witnessed the political rise of the Scheduled Castes, as the Dalits and other backward caste Hindus are legally called. Before losing the recent election, Mayawati, the states powerful Dalit chief minister (who uses one name), dominated Uttar Pradesh and used her position to reward many of her supporters with jobs, housing and other benefits. Dalits still remain overwhelmingly poor and marginalized in many parts of India, but Ms. Mayawatis extensive use of the reservation quota system and other preferential policies in Uttar Pradesh provided opportunity to many Dalits.
These Scheduled Castes were the most deprived people socially and economically in Uttar Pradesh, said Mr. Aftab in an interview before the state elections. Now they are the ruling class. This is the result of 64 years of reservation.
Indias original reservation policies were codified during the drafting of the national Constitution as quotas for Scheduled Castes and tribal groups. Over the years, other Hindu castes were added at both the state and national level, as different groups agitated for inclusion and politicians saw opportunities to carve out new vote banks. Indias modernization, rather than erasing caste, was codifying it.
In India, the deepening of democracy will not happen by erasing all caste-community boundaries, said Yogendra Yadav, a leading political scientist in New Delhi. I see it as the next stage of social justice in India.
Most Muslims in India are the descendants of low-caste Hindus who converted over the centuries, often to escape the deprived status to which Dalits were consigned. Yet those caste affiliations never fully disappeared, meaning that a hierarchy lingered among Muslims in India. Two government commissions sought to include backward Muslims in the quota system by using their former Hindu caste identity, along with educational and economic indicators.
Indias four southern states have managed to extend some affirmative action benefits to Muslims, if not explicitly along religious lines, but elsewhere Muslims have largely been excluded. The 2006 report, known as the Sachar Committee report, found that Muslims who should have qualified for affirmative action were not getting it, even though they were living in greater poverty than some groups that were getting the benefit.
Our Constitution says we should not provide reservation on the grounds of religion, said Mufti Julfiquar Ali, a Muslim leader in Uttar Pradesh. But basically, reservation was given on the grounds of religion. A Muslim washerman got no reservation, but a Hindu washerman got one. Hindu carpenters will get reservation, but the Muslim carpenter will not.
Along the lane of Khadar Wallah, Muslims and Dalits last month voiced starkly different opinions about the need for creating a quota to benefit Muslims. Some Muslims had doubts about whether political leaders would fulfill the pledge and whether such a policy could be tailored to truly help them.
But Badruddin, an older Muslim man who uses one name, wanted the benefit. He said affirmative action had enabled many lower-caste Hindus to secure government jobs that provided stability so that their children could remain in school. In many Muslim families, he argued, children must often drop out of school to earn money.
The Scheduled Castes are better off than we are because they are in government jobs, he said. Once you have a government job, you will be uplifted.
Several Hindus said quotas for Muslims were unnecessary and would dilute already scarce opportunities for lower-caste Hindus. Without reservation, we would not have progressed very much because of discrimination, said Boharan Lal, 71, a Dalit, adding: I do not believe that Muslims are more backward. They are doing better.
Mr. Mansuri, the rickshaw repairman, dropped out of school in the eighth grade, but is still the most educated person in his extended family. Our only source of income was from my father, he said, explaining why he went to work.
He has watched as his Dalit neighbors have gotten jobs, or college slots, through quotas that, over time, brought better jobs and salaries. He pointed to the renovated homes of some low-caste Hindus as evidence of what affirmative action can bring, and what Muslim families struggle to afford. He said Muslims were also to blame because for too long they did not push their children to stay in school. But that has changed, he said.
His own house was recently refurbished, with smooth concrete walls painted bright green, and is easily as nice as the homes on the alley owned by Dalit families. Asked about it, Mr. Mansuri explained that the house was an example of how his family had benefited from preferential treatment: An agent had contacted him saying that banks were seeking to loan money to Muslims after the 2006 Sachar Committee report detailed discrimination in banking.
Earlier, if we had applied, Mr. Mansuri said, we would not have gotten a loan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/10/w...ive-action-for-muslims.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Indians should vote for BJP or RSS. Maybe they will offer more to minorities other than "fake secularism" that Congress has given to minorities in India.
There's nothing wrong in admitting India is a Hindu nation.
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The lower caste people are socially backward. They are not economically backward. To know the kind of discrimination they face, u can do a simple experiment.
Just print an ad in matrimonial that groom is wanted for a beautiful and well educated girl. Only condition is, she should be from some lower caste. Count the no of replies they receive from higher caste bachelors. Just tell me if there is even one.
Nitish Kumar and Patnaik are the only CMs who are doing some great Job with no publicity...lot of has been said and written abt Vibrant Gujarat and Modi...but dont understand why still millions of Gujjus are still living in Maharashtra and doing their business? There are thousands of people who daily do up-down from Gujarat to Mumbai...why Mukesh and Anil are spending thousand crores for their house in Mumbai???...why Adani is lookng for house in Mumbai????.why? Modi and his portrayed Gujrat..is just a showroom, there is nothing in warehouse
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The reservation for low caste Hindus is done as a compensation to the thousands of years of subjugation that they faced. On the otherhand Muslims was part of the ruling class even until 1947. So if they are backward its their own making.
Anyways as a general category, I don't care if reservations are given to Muslims or not as long as it does not crosses the 50% mark.
Anyways as a general category, I don't care if reservations are given to Muslims or not as long as it does not crosses the 50% mark.
@Omar1984 like you care about foreigner Indian Muslims, please care about Stranded Biharis and respect them for their sacrifices and do tauba for your betrayal instead of abusing each other. Phalistine ki fiqar hai, bharat ki fiqar hai apne Mulq ke bihariyon ki baat aayi to pai*** mak*** jaisi gaaliyon pe aa gaye.
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Mumbai is the NYC of India . Its the place to be if you are rich and famous. Not only Gujjus, people from around India owns houses in Mumbai.
Thats why I am against caste based reservation. Not all high caste are rich and not all low caste are poor. Reservation should be based on economic factors.
Just print an ad in matrimonial that groom is wanted for a beautiful and well educated girl. Only condition is, she should be from some lower caste. Count the no of replies they receive from higher caste bachelors. Just tell me if there is even one.
Why should any high caste bachelor respond when its clearly said in the ad that she is from low caste and prefers low caste.
Fully agree. If Muslims support BJP, I am sure that they will work overtime to keep them compared to Congress who takes Muslim support for granted.
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U missed the point...
I said make sure the girl belongs to a low caste is mentioned only. The responses can be from any caste. In that case tell me how many upper caste bachelors apply.
Caste based discrimination has nothing to do with financial state for that matter.
Reservation should be abolished. Provide free books and monthly allowance for food and other stuff to the students who belong to below poverty line family(irrespective of caste, religion, gender). Have 5% reservation for physically challenged students and thats it.
This quota system is an easy way out for the government, but will harm India in the long run.
This quota system is an easy way out for the government, but will harm India in the long run.
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Reservation is not helping anyone - We need to get rid of it - Maybe have reservation based upon economic situation. Who gets benefitted by today's reservation? the cream of the various categories - A son of a Scheduled caste doctor or an IAS officer will have better education than a SC labor's son and guess who gets to use the SC reservation? the doctor's son rather than the labor's son who gets left out because he is in the lower rung of the ranking within SC students. Also imagine a poor Brahmin priest's son who can't afford proper education as his father relies on the rupee which falls in his Puja ki Thali? He is treated as the Forward caste and gets left out in the scheme of things while the SC doctor's son uses the reservation.
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Yes and any attempt by govt. will be summarily struck off by the Supreme Court.
#recently rajasthan state govt promised some reservation to some section of people (gujjars). They couldn't implement it inspite of it being passed in state legislature since it was struck off as unconstitutional by Supreme Court .
In OBC there is creamy layer system based on economic condition, that should be applied to SC ST quota also.
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