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India strikes back at nuclear protesters

When you read every single post I put up, then ill respond in kind. TIll then you are just wasting your breathe. i have done more than any other poster on this forum. I don;t spew BS....I back up what I have said with facts.....I don;t make up bullet points without any proof. Its easy to point out the pro's but can you point the con;s? You don;t comprehend English well, I pointed out that your links are not good enough. There is a benchmark to meet and you failed. Use reputable sources to back your claims instead of spweing BS. Okay?

You are one of these folks who think the Dam in between Kerala and Tn is good because it provides electricity right? Right!

Still you had not shown any scientific papers that tells "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". No more reply to my posts till you provide me the scientific paper!

Below is your post!

Thats a lie. There are accidents occurring in these nuclear reactors, just no reported as publicly all the time and when it does come to the media, its very brief. A nuclear reactor does not have to melt down in order for it to cause untold damage. A simple link of hazardous chemicals into surrounding water is a tremendous concern. Such a leak will instantly cause cancer. How many poor fishermen can afford state of the art, or modern water filters? Even if you can, such filters are no defence against such chemicals....
 
@Trinity

If don't knw something don't argue your post clearly indicates your ignorance. Hw you relating nuclear contamination and modern water filters funny.
 
@Trinity

If don't knw something don't argue your post clearly indicates your ignorance. Hw you relating nuclear contamination and modern water filters funny.


Plz being sarcastic.... Im pointing out you cant depend on water filters to screen radioactive elements....


Here's a link on what a water filter screens: Multi-Pure MP750 Plus Reverse Osmosis System removes XX from your drinking water based on EWG's report | Environmental Working Group

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Still you had not shown any scientific papers that tells "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". No more reply to my posts till you provide me the scientific paper!

Below is your post!


Plz i don;t want you to reply....you are stupid no offence. Im tired of googling proof for you to read when you can just as easily google yourself. Prove the point yourself. I have provided numerous links, yet some dimwits keep arguing the same points that i have already proved. So thanks but no thanks...keep living in a bubble maybe then the Dam will last 1000 yrs.
 
kenaa kiruka what is the point between kknp being built and conversion. but last time i checked uday kumar was a hindu.. and idiots like u were the one givin religious colors to the protest.

Makka,

nee oorla thana irukka? Renduthukkum enna sambandhamnnu unakku theriyadha? illa theriyadha madhiri nadikkiyo?

Avan hinduva iruntha enna? karunanidhi kooda thaan hindu,suresh raajan kooda than hindu,adhukku enna ippa?

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if u feel like offended or forced to conert by those street preachers go and give a complaint in police station. whz stoppin u? even il support u. but acusing everythn on christians is not acceptable.

FYI genius idiot christianity prevailed in India long before Whites. also do remember christians also had a major role in freedom strggle. but your brahmins are the one sided with the whites.

do u know the ifference between missionaries and merchants?

Please,dont lie randomly.Even a five year old kid wont buy this argument.
 
Ashoka does not realize that Christianity existed in INdia before the Vatican. It was under the doicese of the Middle Eastern Church. THose white masters he mentions, cmae to India and forced ppl to heed to Roman Catholicism and the Vatican or be out under the sword and tortured. Then there was the Goan Inquistion by the Jesuits. Do not confuse this version of Christianity for the one that existed earlier in India under the approval and protection of Kerala Hindu Kings....

I have no issues with christians,i have lot of friends who are but the endless marketing that some christians do is highly irritating.
 
Guys we have to accept the genuine plight of the people of Kudamkulam, when the government is capable of spending 14 k crores of money to build a nuclear power plant, why not create a new township and move these people 30 40 km away. it will cost less than 1500 crores.

Kindly read the Hindus article today who are saying that Nuclear enery is safe, it tells the real trouble if radio active cecium is leaked.
The Hindu : Sci-Tech : Uncertain risks torment Japanese in nuclear zone
 
if u feel like offended or forced to conert by those street preachers go and give a complaint in police station. whz stoppin u? even il support u. but acusing everythn on christians is not acceptable.

FYI genius idiot christianity prevailed in India long before Whites. also do remember christians also had a major role in freedom strggle. but your brahmins are the one sided with the whites.

do u know the ifference between missionaries and merchants?

please when you reply to my post, read my post before. I never ever in my post has blamed Christians or any other religious group for the protest at KKNPP, it is a genuine plight of the people and I for one support them.
But they equally have responsible of being quite until the NPP is about to get commisioned.
Either they should have agitated earlier and should ask the government to create a new township far away from the NPP site.
Decommisioning the KKNPP at this stage of investment is un-acceptable as 1000's of crores will be lost which is no-ones but our hard earned money that we gave the government to give us all the material and technological benifits that our government gives back to us.
 
Plz i don;t want you to reply....you are stupid no offence. Im tired of googling proof for you to read when you can just as easily google yourself. Prove the point yourself. I have provided numerous links, yet some dimwits keep arguing the same points that i have already proved. So thanks but no thanks...keep living in a bubble maybe then the Dam will last 1000 yrs.

Again, till now you provided NO proofs... You keep on ranting 'I gave you proof!... I gave you proof!'... You never pasted any proof which proves "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public".

You are the winner, I pity that director Shankar should have choose you for the role of Sathyan in Tamil remake of 3 idiots! The movie would be mega super dooper hit!

Why you going all out of the way and bringing in Mullaiperiyar Dam issue, Do you want me to divert from the topic, Do you want a start a fight between Tamil's and Malayalees and you can escape?

Again give me the proof which tells that "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". If you cannot provide a proof, You can bang your head on the wall and never respond to my post!
 
Again, till now you provided NO proofs... You keep on ranting 'I gave you proof!... I gave you proof!'... You never pasted any proof which proves "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public".

You are the winner, I pity that director Shankar should have choose you for the role of Sathyan in Tamil remake of 3 idiots! The movie would be mega super dooper hit!

Why you going all out of the way and bringing in Mullaiperiyar Dam issue, Do you want me to divert from the topic, Do you want a start a fight between Tamil's and Malayalees and you can escape?

Again give me the proof which tells that "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". If you cannot provide a proof, You can bang your head on the wall and never respond to my post!
There are nuclear related child birth incidents near the shore villages of Kalpakam, but Internet is being controlled nowadays even In India. The google images site does not even show any image related to the search.

A fukashima survivor was denied visa to INdia as she was about to speek at Kudamkulam protest in support of the protest.
 
I have no issues with christians,i have lot of friends who are but the endless marketing that some christians do is highly irritating.


Dude. I agree with you also. Any religion should be able convince ppl on its merit without any marketing. The Vatican is the biggest culprit..

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There are nuclear related child birth incidents near the shore villages of Kalpakam, but Internet is being controlled nowadays even In India. The google images site does not even show any image related to the search.

A fukashima survivor was denied visa to INdia as she was about to speek at Kudamkulam protest in support of the protest.



Ashoka Thank you....I don;t blame folks like Rocky because they are just pawns in the big picture. But it becomes highly irritating when folks don;t ask questions and find fault with the seemingly impossible.
 
Still you had not shown any scientific papers that tells "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". No more reply to my posts till you provide me the scientific paper!

Below is your post!



This is for you and the other idiots who love to post nonsense yet have no clue.......from THE HINDU

The Hindu : Opinion / Lead : How Fukushima is relevant to Kudankulam


How Fukushima is relevant to Kudankulam

T. N. SRINIVASAN
T. S. GOPI RETHINARAJ
SURYA SETHI
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The disaster in Japan revealed many risks that were earlier unknown; it is important to assess the risks in India in a transparent manner and explain which are worth taking.
The nuclear plant accident at Fukushima, Japan, in March 2011 exemplifies the prescient remark of nuclear reactor pioneer, the late Alvin Weinberg, that “a nuclear accident somewhere is a nuclear accident everywhere.” After Fukushima, many countries initiated a reconsideration of the role of nuclear power in their current and future energy portfolios and checks of their safety features at operating plants. Public demonstrations for halting ongoing construction of new plants and eliminating nuclear power altogether from energy portfolios also followed. Social demonstrations against the construction of any new nuclear power projects in India and a bringing on stream of the nearly complete Kudankulam plant in Tamil Nadu are parts of this phenomenon.

The Central government's attempts to assure the public of the safety of the Kudankulam plant failed and the demonstrations continued, leading the Tamil Nadu government to appoint an expert panel of four to assess afresh the safety of the plant. The committee submitted its report on February 27, 2012 which is as yet not released. A member of the panel, former Chairman M.R. Srinivasan of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), is quoted as saying that the Committee was fully satisfied that the plant was safe.

It remains to be seen whether the report is convincing and credible in coming to its conclusion, thus addressing public concerns about Kudankulam and also possibly blunting the threat to India's future nuclear power programme from escalating demonstrations. Concerns of risks of nuclear power, both from possible design faults in plants, their inappropriate location and from natural events such as earthquakes and tsunami have risen since Fukushima. The committee has to address these concerns effectively in a transparent manner in its report for it to serve its purpose of looking at the issues afresh regardless of the prior public positions of any of its members on them. While awaiting the report, we highlight what the Fukushima accident revealed on the previously unknown or underestimated risks and costs of nuclear power for the reason of their possible relevance for evaluating the risks and benefits of the expansion of nuclear power in India and the operation of Kudankulam.

ISSUES FROM FUKUSHIMA

The following is common knowledge about the Fukushima accident and its aftermath. First, it was triggered by a very rare natural event — the occurrence together of an earthquake of magnitude 9 on the Richter scale and a 15-metre tsunami which completely overwhelmed the plant and its safety systems. This raises the issue whether the probability of the event could or should have been anticipated or was ignored as unlikely by the Japanese regulatory authorities when the plant was designed, built and located at Fukushima.

Second, the analysts exposed the close ties between public regulators and the private plant operators that could have led them to collude and neglect safety and other features that could have been built into the design of the plant and affected responses to the accident and the timing and transparency of information released.

Third, although the physical structure of the Fukushima plant withstood the earthquake, together with the tsunami, the earthquake led to the loss of offsite and onsite power leaving the plant completely dependent on diesel generators and batteries of emergency cooling system for reactors. But adequate emergency power was not available at Fukushima. The consequential build-up of temperature resulted in production of steam and hydrogen that exploded rupturing the containment structure within a matter of hours and eventually led to a partial core meltdown.

Fourth, radiation leaks from the disabled plant spread far beyond what had been deemed likely, affected rice crops, milk and other products for domestic consumption and exports. The leaks and damages beyond the plant emphasised that containment structures have only a limited time-bound ability to mitigate the consequences of releases of radioactivity into the containment by overheated reactors coolant accidents until emergency cooling systems prevent further heating and a core meltdown. At Fukushima, emergency cooling systems failed and led to a partial core meltdown. Just a few hundred metric tonnes of steam could pose a serious threat to the containment's structural integrity of Kudankulam with its VVER-type reactor. It is therefore essential that cooling systems operate reliably and effectively.

A complete analysis of the Fukushima accident is not available yet. From what is available, it is known that radiation leaks affected crops and population and resulted in loss of output from disruptions in power supply. Kudankulam is located in the rice and milk producing, heavily populated and fast growing southern state of Tamil Nadu near Sri Lanka. The deleterious consequences of the Fukushima accident and the risks of their happening at Kudankulam are real. Obviously potential risks and their costs have to be weighed against potential benefits from the plant in a scientific, social cost/benefit analysis in evaluating whether or not to bring Kudankulam on stream and institutionalising such analyses in the nuclear decision-making process.

Fifth, emerging information on actions not taken but considered at Fukushima is disturbing: “in the darkest moments of the nuclear accident last year, Japanese leaders did not know the actual extent of the damage at the plant and secretly considered the possibility of evacuating Tokyo [350 km away from Fukushima], even as they played down the risks, an independent investigation into a report has disclosed”. (International Herald Tribune, February 29, 2012)

The panel's report should include estimates of the probabilities of earthquakes of magnitude greater than 6 and of tsunamis originating outside India that could threaten the Indian coast. Social cost/benefit analysis of alternative responses to very low probability events, which, were they to occur could inflict large social costs in terms of population loss, damages to structures and long term health consequences is a difficult analytical problem. However, to assure that the Kudankulam plant is “reasonably safe,” the panel should attempt the difficult social cost/benefit analysis and make public its methodology and assumptions. The uncertainties in the data used and in estimation errors induce an “error band” around the average social cost/benefits and these should be made explicit.

Superimposition of estimated probabilities of possible reactor accidents with site specific probabilities of earthquakes and tsunamis highlighted by Fukushima would enable the estimation of probabilities of a Fukushima-like event at Kudankulam.

REGULATORY INDEPENDENCE

The Fukushima accident highlighted the need for the independence of regulators from plant operators. The Atomic Energy Regulatory Board (AERB) has long been criticised for being subservient to DAE, the promoting organisation for nuclear power. After Fukushima, the establishment of a truly independent regulator has been promised. Currently, institutional deficiencies are structurally inbuilt and hard to eliminate. If they remain, the credibility and autonomy of the regulator cannot be ensured. Historically, nuclear policymaking in India was not transparent and involved only a handful of people in the government. The DAE has exploited this arrangement. Unfortunately, the political leadership left the operational aspects of nuclear affairs entirely to DAE without creating any institutional mechanism for independent technical and policy advice on civilian as well as military aspects.

A glaring example of DAE's misuse of the Atomic Energy Act to escape the scrutiny of regulator and courts over public safety concerns came in the wake of the still unpublished 1996 AERB report. The report is believed to have exposed how DAE had turned regulation into a farce because of the cosy arrangement between the regulators and the regulated. In India, all Indian nuclear plants are in the public sector and so are the agencies that exercise regulatory functions and promotional responsibilities. In this situation, conflict of interest between regulation and promotion is inevitable. Their separation and the creation of a statutory body for regulation are essential to win public confidence.

ENERGY PORTFOLIO

Significant shortfalls of India's energy generation relative to estimated energy demand have been longstanding. Many policy failures contributed to the shortfalls and their consequences. Amongst them, the failure to implement the Electricity Reform Act of 2003 ranks high. Legitimate concerns about global warming and energy security have driven the proposed expansion of nuclear power. As a poor country with a growing population with a need for rapid and sustained economic growth to eradicate poverty, India faces the daunting task of increasing its energy supply by a factor of two to three over the next two decades even after factoring in feasible conservation and efficiency improvements. Every possible source of energy (fossil, renewable, and nuclear) has to be considered without any a priori opposition to the use of any source in any credible social cost/benefit analysis of alternative energy portfolios in meeting development goals without pushing their risks beyond socially tolerable levels.

Understandable public concerns post-Fukushima pose enormous challenges for the planned expansion of nuclear electricity generation in India. Neither technological hubris nor shrill anti-nuclear rhetoric is useful in this context. For this reason the panel has to examine critically what Fukushima revealed that was not known before in terms of risks and social costs of a potential accident over a long term and offer its informed assessment of the extent Kudankulam and other future plants are subject to known and potentially new risks. Its assessment and judgment need to be transparent and explain which risks it considers worth taking and why.

We urge that due consideration be given also to issues that human frailties, potential natural disasters like earthquakes and tsunamis and acts of sabotage pose to the potential failure of well designed but complex engineering systems like a nuclear reactor. No humanly designed system can ensure that it will never fail — thus an option with zero risk does not exist. For this reason, a credible and convincing social cost benefit analysis of risks and benefits of current and available future energy options is essential.

(T.N. Srinivasan, T.S. Gopi Rethinaraj and Surya P. Sethi are on the faculty of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, National University of Singapore.)

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This is why I have been arguing my case. Sad to see my Indian brothers are so blind for development, that you have forgotten your values.
 
Stop blaming ppl who protest or object. This is an democracy and they may a serious reason to protest.
MOST OF YOU NEVER BLAME OR DO ENOUGH TO CORRECT THE ACTIONS OF OUR GOVT:


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Mining mafia mows down young IPS officer in Morena

MAHIM PRATAP SINGH
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The Hindu Bhopal_Narendra Kumar, a 2009 batch IPS officer was crushed to death by the illegal mining mafia when tried to stop a tractor carrying illegally quarried stones in Madhya Pradesh's Morena district, over 450 km from Bhopal on thursday. photo by A_M_Faruqui (08_03_2012)
A young IPS officer was crushed to death by the mining mafia in Madhya Pradesh's Morena district, over 450 km from here, on Thursday.

Narendra Kumar, 30, who was posted as a Sub-Divisional Police Officer at Banmore in Morena on probation, tried to stop a tractor carrying illegally quarried stones but the driver ran over him, DIG Chambal range D.P. Gupta was quoted in the press as saying.

Mr. Kumar was rushed to hospital but died on the way.

While he was a 2009 batch IPS officer, his wife is an Indian Administrative Service officer. She is also posted in Madhya Pradesh (Gwalior) but is on maternity leave currently.

The driver, identified as Manoj Gurjar, has been arrested under section 302 of the Indian Penal Code.

State Home Minister Uma Shankar Gupta along with DGP Nandan Dube rushed to Gwalior to take stock of the situation.

Mr. Kumar was posted to Morena recently and had started giving trouble to the powerful, politically-backed mining mafia in the region.

“The officer had received information about illegally mined stones being carried in a tractor. The officer reached the spot and asked the driver to stop the vehicle but he ran over him. The driver has been arrested and the matter will be inquired into,” the Home Minister told journalists at a press conference.

As in several other districts, illegal mining is a thriving “industry” in Morena.

According to sources, illegal mining of both sand and stone is carried out under protection of local politicians connected to Bhopal.

Accusing the ruling BJP government of protecting the mining mafia, which had led to the deteriorating law and order situation, Morena-based Congress worker Manoj Pal Singh said: “This young officer had taken the mining mafia head-on on several occasions but the illegal miners go about their business virtually fearless under the protection of the BJP.”

Mr. Singh has filed a petition against illegal mining in the Madhya Pradesh High Court.

“Only last month, one of the mafia members — a former zilla panchayat president of Morena — attacked a mining officer. The police charged him under section 307 for attempted murder but he wasn't arrested. Some days later, a photograph in the district edition of a Hindi newspaper showed him sharing stage with the BJP M.P. from Morena,” he told The Hindu.

“Most of the companies that have been awarded Reconnaissance Permits by the Madhya Pradesh mining department are front companies based in Kolkata with several BJP leaders as sleeping partners,” he alleged.




Read carefully there is a part where they mention how a BJP MP is aiding one these bastards. A good idea would be for Anna Hazare to publicize a corrupt issue with or without photographic evidence once a day. I promise you this would go for years. How come a party doesn;t come up that makes a clear stand and states any member with a criminal record or ties to crimnals are banned for life. Keep asking yourself why its possible there folks making money in these nuclear energy contracts and defence procurements. how come the domestic industry is always shut out? Wake the f-k up
 
There are nuclear related child birth incidents near the shore villages of Kalpakam, but Internet is being controlled nowadays even In India. The google images site does not even show any image related to the search.

A fukashima survivor was denied visa to INdia as she was about to speek at Kudamkulam protest in support of the protest.

Again call me stupid, I am not ready to accept this fake news! Buddy this is a serious problem... I am sure that the media in India is not that bad!

India did the very right thing in denying the visa! Bring in the Japanese nuclear experts to Indian and request them what changes need to be done to make the plant more secure... India is not Japan, where Earthquake and Tsunami are day to day life events!
 
This is for you and the other idiots who love to post nonsense yet have no clue.......from THE HINDU

The Hindu : Opinion / Lead : How Fukushima is relevant to Kudankulam


[/COLOR]This is why I have been arguing my case. Sad to see my Indian brothers are so blind for development, that you have forgotten your values.

You cursed me that I am not give the credible link, But I asked link for "Radiation leak in nuclear power plants in India has caused cancer to normal public". But you gave something else!

Nuclear plants are not 100% risk free, Everything in life is not risk free, We walking in the road too is risky nowadays! India should progress at the rapid rate, +2 students are writing exams now and current is being cut for every 30 minutes! I want 24/7/365 uninterrupted power supply!

Need plutonium for the country to develop its arsenal!
 

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