Indian Army and its old Weapons and Equipments

[ptltejas]

Indian army and its old equipments and weapons

Dear Freinds,
our Formal Army Chief has stated that Indian Army's have more old Weapons and Equipments and has I start this thread and posting the details that which weapons and equipments india has and what Indian need to change. hope members would like it.

For the old weapons list I am taking help of Equipment of the Indian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia website to find the list and my view over the same.

Regards

 

[xuxu1457]

pics of 2008 Mumbai attacks， the WWII gun in the hand of policeman

Militia

 

[ptltejas]

Tanks: A tank is a tracked, armoured fighting vehicle designed for front-line combat which combines operational mobility and tactical offensive and defensive capabilities. Firepower is normally provided by a large-calibre main gun in a rotating turret and secondary machine guns, while heavy armour and all-terrain mobility provide protection for the tank and its crew, allowing it to perform all primary tasks of the armoured troops on the battlefield.

In mordern era there is need of Night Vision, Missiles which can be fired from the tank, and safety. need the less weight tank so run fast, with more fire power and also good self protection like the powerful armour (like Arjun-Kanchan) and other system. India possess mostly old tanks which have not that type of capability and only new tanks have such power. these tanks are useful at pak border only and not at Chinese looking to the hilli area.

Indian Tanks

T-54/55
This is Old tank which is designed in the 1945, there can be change then after but this is not the mordern design India has following models. But for the Mordern war they are use less. India has more than 550 tanks of this kind. this are old and shall be changed for T-90.

* T-54/T-55 fitted with sheet steel tubes placed on the barrels to distinguish them from Pakistani Type 59s. They were supposed to imitate fume extractors.
* T-54B modified by India.
* T-55A upgraded with 105mm gun.

View : Change this Tanks this 550 are not useful for the modern wars.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

pics of 2008 Mumbai attacks， the WWII gun in the hand of policeman

Militia

The pics you posted is of the Army with civilians is of villagers being taught to fight against Pakistani backed terrorists in Kashmir...they cant be allowed to have state of the art weaponry coz they are civilians in the end.

Regarding Mumbai police things have changed and a regular pliceman uses the INSAS now and a new force has been raised to counter terrorism.

 

[ptltejas]

T-72 / Combat Approved Ajeya
India has 1950 T-72 and / combat Approved Ajeya tanks.

India has following Versions of that tank.

* Ajeya MK1 - Indian version of the T-72M. In parallel with buying various T-72 versions from the Soviet Union, India also launched production at a domestic heavy engineering plant in Avadi where 900 vehicles were made and designated as Ajeya, in 1993 they were improved to T-72M1 versions.
* Ajeya MK2 - Indian version of the T-72M1. For a rather long time the Indian Army did not intend to modernize it's T-72 tanks since it was relying on their own tank project the Arjun. However, the Arjun program had been undergoing difficulties. As a result they adopted the Operation Rhino plan aimed at re-equipping 1,500 T-72M1 tanks. The upgrade program provides for installation of a Polish SKO-1T DRAWA-T fire control systems/thermal imagers supplied by the Polish PCO/Cenzin (from PT-91 Twardy), DRDO explosive reactive armour, a navigation system from Israel 's Tamam, German Litef or South African RDI, a locally developed laser illumination warning system, new radios manufactured by Tadiran or GES Marconi and an improved NBC protection system will be fitted. The tank is planned to be powered by a 1,000 hp (750 kW) S-1000 engine made by the Polish firm PZL-Wola (also from PT-91 Twardy). It is also upgraded with new fire detection and suppression systems and laser warning systems on either side of the turret. Also known as Combat Improved Ajeya. Indian sources often say that 1800-2,000 T-72M1 tanks will be upgraded top to bottom while the rest will undergo only partial improvement.
* Tank EX - Indian integration of the Arjun turret onto the T-72 hull, Prototype only.

View: This tank is desighned in the yr 1967-73. As old tanks are build from old design. new tanks have all new design and equipments so for the mordern war these 1950 tanks are not useful

 

[Skull and Bones]

T-72 is no way out dated. It just needs some upgradation.

 

[ptltejas]

T-90 This tank is most modern in the Indian Army. It has designed in yr.1995 and have modern system, Armour, missiles, reactive armour tiles. we are now using near the 807 Tanks and India is country have most tanks of this kind.

View: these tanks are modern and most useful for the modern wars. 807 Tanks are useful and are new.

 

[ptltejas]

T-72 is no way out dated. It just needs some upgradation.

Right Bro just compare to the T-90 T-72 is not that much powerful. T-90 has some modern capabilities. I would Invite members view regarding need of modern systems in tanks. like Night visions, powerful gun, powerful engine and other systems. the Improved T-72 might have good capabilities but Instead change in capabilities better to mordenize with more sharp tanks.

 

[ptltejas]

Arjun (tank): this is Indigenous tank of India. having better armour like kanchan and other systems. this modern tank had rejected by the military as they had love for foreign machines. After Arjun there shall also be Arjun mark-2.

Type Main battle tank
Place of origin India
Production history
Designer CVRDE, DRDO
Designed March 1974–present
Manufacturer Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi
Unit cost INR17.2 crore (US$3.3 million)
Produced 2004–present
Number built 124 (124 Mk-I and 124 Mk-II ordered)
Variants Tank EX
Specifications
Weight 58.5 tonnes (57.6 long tons; 64.5 short tons)
Length 10.638 metres (34 ft 10.8 in)
Width 3.864 metres (12 ft 8.1 in)
Height 2.32 metres (7 ft 7 in)
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader and driver)
Armor steel/composite Kanchan armour.
Main
armament 120 mm rifled tank gun
LAHAT anti-tank missile
HEAT, APFSDS, HESH Rounds
Secondary
armament HCB 12.7 mm AA MG
Mag 7.62 mm Tk715 coaxial MG
Engine MTU 838 Ka 501 diesel1,400 hp (1,040 kW)
Power/weight 23.9hp/tonne,
Transmission Renk epicyclic train gearbox, 4 fwd + 2 rev gears
Suspension hydropneumatic
Ground clearance 0.45 metres (1 ft 6 in)
Fuel capacity 1,610 litres (350 imp gal; 430 US gal)
Operational
range 450 kilometres (280 mi)
Speed 72 km/h (45 mph) Road; 40 km/h (25 mph) Cross country


viewWith a total of 248 to be built by Heavy Vehicles Factory.[19] This to be followed by the Arjun MK-II and the FMBT. this is better tank for the war.

 

[ptltejas]

Artillery

India has following artilleries.

Howitzers: 88mm 25 Pounder (800), 75mm Mountain Howitzer (900), M101 howitzer, D-30 (550), M-46 (200), Haubits FH77/B (410), M777 (in order-145)

Field Gun: M-46(900), 100mm M-1944(350), Indian Field Gun MK 1/2/3 (600-1300), Light Field Gun (700), 100 mm field gun M1944 (BS-3) (350),


Mountain Guns:76 mm mountain gun M48 (215),

Self-propelled artillery: FV433 Abbot SPG (80), M-46 Catapult(100-170), 2S1 Gvozdika (110)

Multiple rocket launcher: Smerch 9K58 MBRL (62), Pinaka MBRL (80), BM-21(150)

 

[Skull and Bones]

Right Bro just compare to the T-90 T-72 is not that much powerful. T-90 has some modern capabilities. I would Invite members view regarding need of modern systems in tanks. like Night visions, powerful gun, powerful engine and other systems. the Improved T-72 might have good capabilities but Instead change in capabilities better to mordenize with more sharp tanks.

See, war is not only a game of power, but it's also a game of numbers and efficiency. What you're saying is the same what Hitler thought while manufacturing Panzer tanks, which lost to a much inferior Soviet T-34 tank.

T-72 has the same 120 mm smoothbore gun which the T-90 uses, it can fire AGTMs, can be equipped with Night/Thermal vision. T-90 is nothing but an upgraded T-72. And is about 6 tonnes lighter, which is an asset for operations in North eastern states. Arjun will prove defunct in those terrains as the infrastructure there can't support a 60 ton behemoth.

 

[ptltejas]

Howitzers: 88mm 25 Pounder (800), 75mm Mountain Howitzer (900), M101 howitzer, D-30 (550), M-46 (200), Haubits FH77/B (410), M777 (in order-145)

A howitzer is a type of artillery piece characterized by a relatively short barrel and the use of comparatively small propellant charges to propel projectiles at relatively high trajectories.

Guns of tanks fire its shell directly on target, where as artillery throw its shell which go more far in compare of the tank guns.

Modern Howitzer parts

Artilliary gun shells

Indian Howitzers

Ordnance QF 25 pounder: 1930 design, we have 800 nos of this kind.

Weight 1,633 kg (3,600 lb)
Length 4.6 m (15 ft 1 in) (muzzle to towing eye)
Barrel length 2.47 m (8 ft 1 in)
Width 2.13 m (7 ft) (width at wheel hubs)
Height 1.16 m (3 ft 10 in) (trunnion height)
Crew 6
Shell High Explosive
Anti-Tank
Smoke
Shell weight 11.5 kg (25 lb) (HE including fuze)
Calibre 87.6 mm (3.45 in)
Breech Vertical sliding block
Recoil Hydro-pneumatic
Elevation -5° to 45°
(70° with dial sight adapter and digging trail pit or wheel mounds)
Traverse 4° Left & Right (top traverse)
360° (platform)
Rate of fire Gunfire, 6-8 rpm
Intense, 5 rpm
Rapid, 4 rpm
Normal, 3 rpm
Slow, 2 rpm
Very slow, 1 rpm
Muzzle velocity 198 - 532 m/s
(649 - 1,745 ft/s)
Maximum range 12,253 m (13,400 yd) (HE shell)
Sights Calibrating & reciprocating

 

[ptltejas]

122 mm howitzer 2A18 (D-30) we have this type 550 howitzers.

Specifications
Weight Combat: 3,210 kg
(7,055 lbs)
Length Transport: 5.4 m (17 ft 9 in)
Barrel length Bore: 38 calibres
Width Transport: 1.9 m (6 ft 3 in)
Height Transport: 1.6 m (5 ft 3 in)
Crew 1+7
Caliber 122 mm (4.8 in)
Recoil hydropneumatic
Carriage tripod
Elevation -7° to 70°
Traverse 360°
Rate of fire Maximum: 10-12 rpm
Sustained: 5-6 rpm
Effective range 15.4 km (9.56 mi)
Maximum range 21.9 km (13.76 mi)
(with rocket-assisted projectile)

India shall change it to the M-46. as its of 1963 model it is old design.

 

[ptltejas]

130 mm towed field gun M1954 (M-46)

Specifications
Weight 7.7 t (16,975 lbs)
Length 11.73 m (38 ft 6 in)
Width 2.45 m (8 ft)
Height 2.55 m (8 ft 4 in)
Crew 8
Shell separate-loading charge and projectile
Caliber 130 mm (5.1 in)
Breech Horizontal sliding wedge
Recoil hydropneumatic
Carriage split-trail
Elevation -2.5° to 45°
Traverse 50°
Rate of fire 6 (normal)
8 (burst)
5 (sustained)
Muzzle velocity 930 m/s (3,051 ft/s)
Maximum range 27.5 km (17 mi) (unassisted)
38 km (23.61 mi) (assisted)


courtesy: Home: Ordnance Factory Board

we have 200 howitzers of this kind.

 

[Killswitch]

India has bought many more M46 130mm artillery from central asian nations. The inventory is likely 600+ not the 200 mentioned above.

PS:

The picture of the 20 pounder infront of the whitehouse..... is that the gun sitting in front of the legion house in Dundas Ontario Canada? Looks like it.