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Indian PM sends New Year greetings to Pakistan's Zardari: official

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ISLAMABAD (AFP) — Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has sent a New Year's card to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari with his "good wishes", amid strained ties between the neighbours, according to officials.

The message is apparently the first exchange between the two leaders since Singh accused Pakistan of using terrorism as an "instrument of state policy" and said the Mumbai attackers had the support of "official agencies" here.

The card has a white dove -- often used as a symbol of peace -- on the front and is signed by Singh and his wife with the message, "With all good wishes for the new year," Zardari's spokesman Farhatullah Babar told AFP.

Ties between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have been frosty since the attacks on Mumbai in late November, which left 174 people dead, including nine of the 10 gunmen.

Pakistan has confirmed that the lone surviving attacker captured by India was a Pakistani national. New Delhi has blamed the attacks on the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Officials here said while Singh's card would not lead to an immediate thaw in chilly bilateral ties, it was a welcome development and had been seen as an expression of a desire for peace in the region.

Pakistan and India have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over Kashmir. Both countries control the Himalayan region in part but claim it in full.
 
I am waiting for acrimonious replies. Replies of the kind which states that India is scared of the Brave and the smart PAF and that the nuclear deterrent is working..

My 2 pennies is that its a welcome move to ease the tensions! :enjoy: Singhji!
 
I am waiting for acrimonious replies. Replies of the kind which states that India is scared of the Brave and the smart PAF and that the nuclear deterrent is working..

My 2 pennies is that its a welcome move to ease the tensions! :enjoy: Singhji!

This is nothing but dhool jhokana in the eyes of the world. Clearly the indian intentions were well known until your jets were showed a way home. And why do you have to bring PAF into every post? Has PAF too started to bring nightmares to Indians on the same lines as ISI.:lol:
 
INDIA/PAKISTAN: Civil Society Mounts Peace Offensive

By Rita Manchanda

NEW DELHI, Jan 20 (IPS) - A visit to India by a delegation of civil society activists from Pakistan as part of a ‘peace offensive’ is expected to help keep the two South Asian neighbours from going to war over the Nov. 26-29 terror attacks on Mumbai city.

The Jan. 21-23 high profile ‘track two’ visit hopes to woo Indian political leaders, reason with hawkish security experts and appeal for cross border solidarity and, at a people-to-people level, make the point that both countries are common victims of terrorism.

Although the delegation is led by Pakistan’s best known human rights activists, Asma Jehangir and I. A. Rehman, and bolstered by politicians from Pakistan’s main political parties and leading journalists, the impact they are likely to make is still uncertain.

So far, except for India’s Left parties, no Indian political party has made any commitment to meet the delegation. "We’re still trying," said one of the Indian hosts Shabnam Hashmi of Act Now for Harmony and Democracy.

However, Ravi Hemadri of the Pakistan India Peoples Forum for Peace and Democracy (PIPFPD) was more candid, "Given that India’s Republic Day, Jan. 26, is just days away, and with the jingoistic rhetoric already being ratcheted up, it’s doubtful if politicians would risk being seen as soft."

This is especially so against the backdrop of ‘megaphone diplomacy’ via the media with Indian army chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor telling journalists that ‘’all options are open".

Similarly India's home minister P. Chidamabaram hinted to the ‘The Times’ of London about the possibility of curtailing trade and people-to-people contacts. "Why should we entertain Pakistani business people? Why should we entertain tourists in India? Why should our tourists go there?"


An opinion poll conducted by ‘The Indian Express’ newspaper recorded 92 percent of respondents saying ‘Yes’ on "Should road, rail links with Pakistan be snapped if no action taken...?" "This call for suspending links will hurt thousands of ordinary people for whom peace has meant the ability to cross the border," said Syeda Hamid, speaking in her personal capacity and as founder of the Women’s Initiative for Peace.

"The Parthasarthys, the Maroof Razas [top security experts frequently seen on TV], who do they speak for? Not for the ordinary people. It is the peace groups who speak for the ordinary people, not the hawks on TV. It is civil society that reflects the voices of the millions on both sides who stand to suffer,'' Hamid said.

Such sentiments motivated leading social activist Swami Agnivesh to launch the "Joint Signature Campaign by Citizens of India Pakistan Against Terrorism, War Posturing and to Promote Cooperation and Peace", and travel to Amritsar to join a public rally for peace mobilised by groups that will, on India’s Independence Day stake a candlelight vigil on the Indo-Pakistan border.

"Civil society has to respond to terrorism. It cannot leave everything to the state whose instruments are the army, intelligence and diplomacy. For 10 years peace groups have worked to create an atmosphere for both governments to commit that peace is ‘irreversible’. That’s why even after Mumbai, there’s been no war," he said.

Were tall claims being made about the peace lobby? "Ask the 51 Pakistani citizens jailed in Jodhpur, Rajasthan for visa tampering? They would still have been locked up had the PIPFPD not taken up their cause. Despite the war jingoism, in December they were freed and returned home," Hemadri said.

The peace lobby which seemed to have withdrawn into a defensive silence after the Mumbai attacks has now found a confident voice. Most were "fearful to speak up, to examine, lest they be seen to be excusing the Mumbai attacks,’’ said Nitya Ramakrishnan, a civil liberties lawyer.

A joint resolution by 30 civil society groups has appealed for ‘Sanity in Our Neighbourhood,’ asserting that they "will not to be consumed by fear, terror and war. That is the agenda of the terrorists".

There are signs that the peace initiatives are gaining momentum. On Jan. 11, at New Delhi’s first public meeting on ‘War, Democratic Rights and Peace Processes’ there was backing from peace and democratic rights groups, feminists, labour and teachers’ organisations.

Tweaking the Indian media’s force multiplier phrase of "enough is enough" as a goad to military action, Pamela Philippose, a well-known columnist, said: "Our way is to say ‘enough is enough’ to war mongering".

Tarun Tejpal, editor of the ‘Tehelka’ newspaper, emphasised "the need to look at the root causes of the making of a terrorist, the grievances that motivate people to these heinous terrorist acts’’.

The visit of the high profile Pakistan delegation may catch media attention, but can it shift the hawkish public sentiment? Even the scheduled public meeting will be less than public. Security concerns have entailed an "invitees only" entry, as vigilante groups propagating hate politics have stepped up their activities.

On Jan.14, Pakistani TV comedian Shahid Siddiqui was thrown out of a studio in Mumbai by a sons-of-the-soil group, the Maharastra Nav Nirman Sena. Earlier, the same group motivated the Mumbai police to pressure the Oxford Bookstore to take Pakistani books off its shelves, "lest they be targeted".

The peace lobby, however, is determined to keep up the pressure. Shabnam Hashmi said: ‘’We can’t allow ourselves to be dispirited by mainstream media’s jingoism. Let us not trivialise the grave threat that the people of both India and Pakistan face by reducing it to cross border talking heads of TV trading blame charges."

They see as a triumph the fact that the Lahore-based Ajoka Theatre troupe was able to come to India and perform its 'Hotel Mohenjodaro' to a packed audience at the 11th Bharat Rangmahotsav Theatre Festival in the national capital on Sunday.

Amal Allana, chair of the festival’s host, the National School of Drama, dismissed reports that the Pakistani troupe was denied visas. ‘’'Everything went according to schedule and their visas arrived on time.’’
 
Indian media plays mischief with Pak peace delegation

January 23, 2009

NEW DELHI: The Press Trust of India (PTI) – the official news agency of the Indian government – deliberately concocted a statement and put it on the wires, attributing it to a ‘Pakistani Peace Delegation’ visiting India these days, following a closed door conference between peace activists of both countries. “The statement attributed to a member of our delegation that the Pakistan Army had close links with the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba is mischievous, false and out of context,” said Imtiaz Alam, secretary general of SAFMA – who is accompanied by Asma Jahangir, chairwoman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan in a 21-member delegation. “The conference was out of bounds for the media and PTI made up the story without even talking to any person in the delegation,” said Alam. “We condemn this malicious effort by the official organ of the Indian state to create misunderstandings and undermine the peace mission,” said an angry Jugnu Mohsin, managing editor of Friday Times, “we deny the remark completely”.

The hostility of the Indian media was marked throughout the stay of the peace delegation even though Indian peace activists went out of their way to show solidarity to their friends from across the border, said the delegates. After a meeting with the Indian peace activists, Asma called for joint Indo-Pak efforts to counter terrorism. She commended the Indian government for acting with restraint, and said Pakistani political parties wanted peace with India. IK Gujral, former Indian prime minister, said the peace process should not be allowed to derail. staff report.
 
its working quite gud. i was reading a news (can be arsed to find it again) that our PM sent flowers to indian PM few days back when he was in the hospital.
 
its working quite gud. i was reading a news (can be arsed to find it again) that our PM sent flowers to indian PM few days back when he was in the hospital.

Indian PM sends greetings to President of Pakistan and Pakistan PM sends flowers to him (Singh) so that next time indian PM also consider sending greeting card to him (Gilani).
 
I am waiting for acrimonious replies. Replies of the kind which states that India is scared of the Brave and the smart PAF and that the nuclear deterrent is working..

My 2 pennies is that its a welcome move to ease the tensions! :enjoy: Singhji!

Not everybody fits the mold that you have in your mind of the Pakistanis..I know its a pretty poor one. Its actually the Pakistani side which has been pushing for the return to normalcy in relations even as investigations carry on. I am sure the GoP will respond in kind to the greetings from MMS.

As far as comments, it may make sense for you to realize that all age groups come here and comment on issues. Many are the young, emotional types with jingoistic streaks and it shows in their postings. Some respond just to get another reaction out of your side. So its all part of the fun and games on these public boards.

Nobody on the Pakistan side wants a war or lose our brave men in a war that would have no clear winners. So try to understand the backgrounds of many of the posts. The same goes around for many from your side. Fortunately for us, policies are not being made on these discussion boards.

Overall, greetings from MMS are a welcome step. They would help is thawing the ice cold relations between the two currently. This can only be welcomed.
 
Congrats! He did something useful.

Finally relations r getting to normal or is this a storm gathering... cauz it is unlikely there wont be more bomb attacks in india with an oppressed muslim populace. With 1/5 of the world population it is not hard to expect another attack and my fear is this blame game will again be the order of the day instead of sense.
 
Indo-Pak artists to play role in peace process: Salima Hashmi

NEW DELHI, Jan 24, 2009: Artists voices can be provocative, healing and since they represent people at large they can play major role in peace process between India and Pakistan, says visiting Pakistani human rights activist Salima Hashmi.

"If artists of both countries stand determined not to let Cultural exchange stop, peace process will not be hindered," Hashmi, daughter of renowned Pakistani poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz said.

Accompanying a delegation of Pakistani civil society activists, artists, educationists, political party members to Delhi on "peace mission", she said bond between two nations was far too deep to be severed.

"Look at wonderful response Pakistani theatre group Ajoka received at National School of Drama's festival. Despite all rumours that artists were not allowed to come here, they came and performed to a packed house. There were travel advisories after Mumbai attack and people scared to come. It is my second visit to India after the attack," Hashmi said.

"No one distinguishes Faiz as a Pakistani poet. When he came to India during his exile and recited his poetry, he was given standing ovation. That's power of poetry. That's power of art," she added.

Asma Jahangir, chairperson Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, who led delegation, said Pakistanis were affected by Mumbai attack but they too were "fighting same monster as India. We understand anger simmering here. But war is never a solution. I can only urge no matter what happens people to people contact between two nations should never be stopped."
 
Cost of war

Sunday, January 25, 2009
Dr Farrukh Saleem

We are 6.7 billion. Of the 6.7 billion, 1.2 billion are extremely poor (at or below $1 a day). Of the 1.2 billion extremely poor citizens of the world, some 550 million live in India and Pakistan combined. Wow; India and Pakistan are home to half of the world's population that lives at or below $1 a day. The single largest chunk of extremely poor human beings lives in India --some 500 million. Should India and Pakistan be fighting each other or fighting poverty together?

Pakistan's newly elected civil administration, on a marathon begging expedition, begged Saudi Arabia, urged China and pleaded with the Sheikhdoms for a billion dollar donation. We begged, urged and pleaded but to no avail. If it wasn't for General David Petraeus, the 10th Commander of the U.S. Central Command, we couldn't have qualified for an IMF handout. On November 24, IMF Executive Board approved the release of $3.1 billion. Then came 26/11. Do you know the cost of a 100-hour war with India? Answer: Some $3 billion to $5 billion.

India and Pakistan have been fighting the Siachen War--the highest battlefield on the face of the planet--for the past 25 years. Pakistan has some 3,000 troops and around 150 manned posts. The War has already consumed 1,025 Indian and 1,344 Pakistani lives--and that too mostly from frost bites and avalanches (very few casualties from enemy fire). Pakistan and India each spend an estimated $200 million to $300 million per year on Siachen. How much have India and Pakistan spent on the Siachen War so far? Answer: An estimated $10 billion. What was Pakistan's budgetary allocation for education? Answer: $300 million.

Look at all the money gone down the drain during the Kargil War: A strike fighter of the Indian Air Force (IAF) takes off from Awantipur AFS and returns after dropping its bomb-load. The cost of the return trip: $1.1 million. And, there were a total of 350 air-sorties for an accumulated expenditure of $416 million. The cost of the army operation was estimated at an additional $2 billion.

Imagine; 44 percent of India 's population lives at or below $1 a day. What is India's defence expenditure? Answer: $25 billion a year. At the same time, 31 percent of Pakistan's population lives at or below $1 a day and Pakistan spends a colossal $4 billion every year in buying and maintaining killing machines. Should India and Pakistan be fighting each other or fighting poverty together? At least 77 million Pakistanis are food insecure. And, Pak Army buys a roti for Rs10 and then spends an additional Rs75 in transporting that roti to feed soldiers fighting in Siachen.

Imagine India's annual trade deficit is a mind-boggling $100 billion. To be certain, India is heavily dependent on foreign investment in order to bridge its trade deficit but General Deepak Kapoor, India's 23rd Chief of Army Staff, continues to fuel war hysteria. In Pakistan, the de jure Chief Justice is campaigning for reinstatement while Pakistan insists that the suspects of the Mumbai tragedy will be tried in Pakistani courts.

On 13 December 2001, five terrorists managed to enter the Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha and undertook indiscriminate shooting, killing five policemen, a security guard and a gardener. India ordered Operation Parakram, mobilizing and deploying troops along the international border as well as the Line of Control. Pakistan followed suit. Cost incurred by India: Rs65 billion (deployment and withdrawal). Cost incurred by Pakistan: $1.4 billion (deployment and withdrawal).

How long well India and Pakistan continue to beg, borrow and steal to fight each other? Guns or butter? Schools or bullets? Tanks or hospitals? Gunpowder or milkpowder?


The writer is the executive director of the Centre for Research and Security Studies (CRSS). Email: farrukh 15@hotmail.com
 
Caught in their own web

Betwa Sharma
February 02, 2009

As the 26/11 Mumbai attack ended, Ali’s status message on Facebook read: “Shah Rukh, I bet you planned this”. Behind the funny, lurked a twinge of anxiety. The 23-year-old British Pakistani has Bollywood dreams, but his plans now hinge precariously on getting a visa. This budding actor would prefer the Indo-Pak dynamics to change to something “similar to the relationship between Britain and Germany”. “Get over the past and move forward for mutual benefit.”

The world profiles Pakistan as a terror hub, careening towards self-destruction. Rage, grief and fear may have led to its premature sentencing. There’s no doubt that Pakistan warrants censure but it could do with a bit of sympathy and an ounce of acknowledgement. Pakistani soldiers are dying in the battle against a hellish terrorist network on the western border.

“We are losing 200-300 people every month due to terrorism,” says Kashif Rauf, a 26-year-old banker from Karachi. “A terrorist event in India, and the whole world wakes up.” His co-worker, Rizwan Khan, agrees: “We in Pakistan face this often, and we know exactly how it feels, and what people go through”.

True, the other side of the Radcliffe Line, honeycombed with hate-spewing mullahs, has become a refuge for the likes of Mohammad Ajmal Kasab. But the Pakistanis must also suffer their ideology. The fact that religious parties win less than six per cent of the popular vote in elections is not without significance. This is reason enough to pause before clicking an ‘India Good, Pakistan Bad’ snapshot.

Even as the world exhorts the Pakistani government to clean up its backyard, its citizens want to proceed with caution. A full-throttle assault on the enemy would provoke a brutal terrorist retaliation and resurgence in militancy.

“These groups need to be rooted out with patience, not just militarily but through economic emancipation,” says Ali Azar Abbas, also a banker in Karachi. “The situation is far too complex for non-Pakistanis to acknowledge and empathise with, so sit tight and bear with us.” But waiting is not an option. The New York Times reports that the Swat valley is ruled by the Taliban’s archaic brand of beheadings and lashings and more areas are likely to fall prey to militancy.

The country’s woes are blamed on the policies of military dictatorships funded by foreign governments. Democracy, some believe, will end decades of dangerous duplicity. But Pakistan’s brief experiments with democracy have been painful. The threat of another coup lurks in the shadows.

It has been frustrating for Pakistanis to watch their economy spiral downwards as India lumbers forward. At the same time, many Pakistanis offer high praise for their neighbour’s growth and want to emulate it. Many hope for a European-type polity, which will “result in better economic management, allocation of resources, inter-group trade and better patrolling of the borders.”

The main challenge facing Pakistan is: who next? President Asif Ali Zardari is not a favourite with everyone. “A disgrace and an international embarrassment,” says Rauf. “This is probably one of the most-difficult periods of our history. We want a leader who can pull through this difficult time.”

Democracy in Pakistan is vital for India. History bears witness to the fact that democracies do not go to war with each other. But if visionary leaders remain dormant and democracy does not deliver, there is a real danger of a dictatorial relapse. Recent times have seen civil society in Pakistan fight for a change. The sleeve has been ripped; the time now is for the people of Pakistan to flex some muscle.


Betwa Sharma is at the Columbia School of Journalism.
 
My dad recently went to - morocco, he was there for 2 weeks and he met this pakistani guy- when he told him he is Indian. this guy just lost it. he showered so much affection and care toward him which left him shell shocked!
For these 2 week they had dinner ever evening together and this guy kept on insisting to pay for him and in the end he gave him souvenir and requested he would visit him in Pakistan. There been many such incident which happened to me in us of a DURING MY UNIV. days.
I somehow realized Pakistani are most trust worthy friends. its like you get what you give. Never the less there are bad weed everywhere but that does'nt take away the fact of situation that this bad conditioning of Indian and Pakistani brain by politics is just like cancer for our mind.
And love is all there in pakistan if you give love yo get love- like - you dont expect to have mango on cactus.
 
My dad recently went to - morocco, he was there for 2 weeks and he met this pakistani guy- when he told him he is Indian. this guy just lost it. he showered so much affection and care toward him which left him shell shocked!
For these 2 week they had dinner ever evening together and this guy kept on insisting to pay for him and in the end he gave him souvenir and requested he would visit him in Pakistan. There been many such incident which happened to me in us of a DURING MY UNIV. days.
I somehow realized Pakistani are most trust worthy friends. its like you get what you give. Never the less there are bad weed everywhere but that does'nt take away the fact of situation that this bad conditioning of Indian and Pakistani brain by politics is just like cancer for our mind.
And love is all there in pakistan if you give love yo get love- like - you dont expect to have mango on cactus.

You are the perfect Indian, did you know that..?:D
 
EDITORIAL: Peace delegation from India

February 27, 2009

A 13-member “peace delegation” from India was in Pakistan recently. It called upon Mr Nawaz Sharif and Qazi Hussain Ahmed. It also met businessmen at the Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) and saw the PMLQ leaders, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi. Led by veteran Indian journalist Mr Kuldip Nayar, who visits Pakistan frequently and writes columns in Pakistani newspapers, the delegates advocated the resumption of the composite Indo-Pak dialogue disrupted by the November 2008 Mumbai attacks and a joint fight against the menace of terrorism.

The delegation is composed of the political and intellectual elite figures from India and represents a moderate fringe in a generally angry and revengeful environment. These are the people who will ultimately win for India a reprieve from the international isolation caused by the war cries arising from the various quarters and at times succumbed to by the Congress-led government in New Delhi. That they have been received by important personalities in Lahore and Islamabad is a good omen and needs to be supported.

The delegation included filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt, Ramesh Yadev, author Kamla Bhasin, Jatin Desai, Swami Agnivesh, Sandeep Panday, Kamal Mitra Chenoy, politician Salman Haider, Dr Hanif Lakdawala, Muhammad Idrees Tabassam and journalist Seema Mustafa. These are people who represent an Indian viewpoint that is important for those of us who want to defuse the current bilateral tension and return to normal relations. The government of Pakistan too has been urging its counterpart in India to normalise relations and allay the fear of war that has spread within and without South Asia because of the rise of terrorism in the region.

Hostile states separate the people and indoctrinate them with hateful stereotypes to secure internal cohesion. Once the textbook imagery becomes embedded in collective memory the states get into trouble. The brainwash promises “a just war” but the states are not always ready to wage it. They become especially embarrassed if after the nuclearisation of their war machinery they can no longer execute national wars. Trapped in the spider-web of their own “nation-building” they are condemned to start wars or indulge in war hysteria that they are hardly able to control.

It is in this environment that civil societies on both sides have to come together and stand on a shared platform of peace and economic progress to give the states a chance to retreat from their warlike stance. The Indian delegates are articulating views that point to this objective of changing the internationally infamous Indo-Pak paradigm of hostility. Yet there is anger and distrust on both sides of the border, especially the Wahga border in Lahore where goose-stepping border-guards insult each other with their sunset drill on a daily basis.

Organisations like the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) and the South Asian Free Media Association (SAFMA) have tried consistently to moderate the sharp edge of this anger over the years. Unsurprisingly, they have received their share of criticism and abuse from those who hold extreme views about India based on the memories of the partition of 1947 and the jurisprudence of wars fought by the two states after 1947. The leader of HRCP, Ms Asma Jahangir, has come under attack in the past; so has the secretary-general of SAFMA, Mr Imtiaz Alam, recently.

Some TV discussions allowed insulting remarks on the visit of the Indian peace delegation. A few discussants took special pains to highlight the “NGO culture” behind the effort and the “foreign funding” behind the whole effort. This is happening despite the general consensus in Pakistan that India should abandon its hostile posture and return to the peace talks it has set aside. Given this situation, the Indians who have stood aside from the “national consensus” in India and come to Pakistan to seek friendship should be applauded. They, together with like-minded Pakistanis, will win in the end.
 

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