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Indian Propaganda claiming it 'forced China to end Pangong Tso aggression'

Lol. Chinese are running away. Yet cheerleading doesn't stop. aa 1.. aa 2.. aa 3.. Go China.. my master...

Running away😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪🤪

India is retreating on its own claimed land, it had to give up just to beg China for some talks

China is deeply entrenched in depsang, hotsprings etc and refuses to even discuss those places

Honestly short of a full war where India gets annihilated, I simply can't understand your crazy bhakt logic where this is anything but defeat and humiliation for india
Looks like PDF Pakistanis and Chinese don’t realise that while they (key board) soldiers fight it out the real Chinese army is running with tails between legs.
The real frustration of the Chinese can only be seen in some Chinese forums not here.
Yaar how long have you Hindus been doing this, you have had centuries of disgrace but claims of victory

You are only making yourselves look ever more stupid with this joke behaviour
 
Yaar how long have you Hindus been doing this, you have had centuries of disgrace but claims of victory

You are only making yourselves look ever more stupid with this joke behaviour

The real jokers are from recent history and one among them is replying to me here. And precisely so because when the subalterns had to switch to terrorism after loosing conventional warfare.

Buttttt... won’t go there. As we say a war is about attending political or/and objectives otherwise, which China didn’t get and despite having confronted India since Doklam, it resorted to status quo ante.

what a victory for them? If the defender were able to successfully defend?
 
Looks like PDF Pakistanis and Chinese don’t realise that while they (key board) soldiers fight it out the real Chinese army is running with tails between legs.
The real frustration of the Chinese can only be seen in some Chinese forums not here.

show me one mainstream american or european media outlet that says this is a win for india.
 
The real jokers are from recent history and one among them is replying to me here. And precisely so because when the subalterns had to switch to terrorism after loosing conventional warfare.

Buttttt... won’t go there. As we say a war is about attending political or/and objectives otherwise, which China didn’t get and despite having confronted India since Doklam, it resorted to status quo ante.

what a victory for them? If the defender were able to successfully defend?


Begging for talks and being pushed back isn't defending

China taking 1000sq km of territory isn't defending

China refusing to even talk about giving up depsang etc isn't defending



What this is is India being forced to bow and and trying to spin a defeat and trying to save face
 
show me one mainstream american or european media outlet that says this is a win for india.

Not looking for validation from outside is something you need to learn from the Chinese, your iron brother let alone an Indian.
Begging for talks and being pushed back isn't defending

China taking 1000sq km of territory isn't defending

China refusing to even talk about giving up depsang etc isn't defending



What this is is India being forced to bow and and trying to spin a defeat and trying to save face

Prioritising talks is what sane people do and it was done. However the talks were backed by actions. The videos of Indian and Chinese tanks disengaging from 100 mts apart must give you an idea.

and in modern warfare if an adversary is coming for talks then it means that it has been coerced to start that action and sees a legitimate result but if the defender is weak then talks will never happen as the aggressor has an opportunity to mow down the defender hope you get it.

China taking 1000 sqkm is a complete lie as PLA has now vacated everything they encroached.
The issue of Depsang predates the current situation and can not be alluded to this stand off and rest assured of a talk about that too once they pull back and we pull back from kailash range.

We are not an autocracy to spin things as we wish, be that as a naive(that u might think) as it may, but just that we were able to stand eye to eye with the Chinese and bring about a resolution speaks volumes of our methods.
Now the Chinese honestly don’t have skill for mountain and high altitude warfare. Heck they even can’t match you guys. I’m happy they agreed.
 
How India stood its ground and forced China to end Pangong Tso aggression

China’s realisation that India won’t back down — that this stand-off could last longer than it calculated — was a key factor in forcing Beijing to agree to disengagement at Pangong Tso.



New Delhi: A grueling winter deployment resulting in higher Chinese casualties than Indian, Beijing’s understanding that New Delhi is not backing down, coupled with the upcoming 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party in July — these are believed to be the reasons why China finally came around to disengaging at Pangong Tso in Ladakh, ThePrint has learnt.


Government sources said the disengagement process, which began Wednesday, was not sudden but had actually been under discussion since September — the same month that the Indian and Chinese foreign and defence ministers met in Russia. Since then, the sources added, there had been several rounds of discussion during which both India and China eased their stands.


The proposal for a phased disengagement, sources said, actually came from the Chinese after a call was set up between National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Chinese Foreign Minister and State Councillor Wang Yi in July.


The call saw both sides agree to the “earliest complete disengagement of the troops along the LAC and de-escalation from India-China border areas for full restoration of peace and tranquility”, for the first time after tensions erupted in Ladakh in April.


When External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar subsequently met his Chinese counterpart Wang on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) foreign ministers’ meeting in Moscow two months later, both sides agreed to a step-by-step plan on “disengagement, de-escalation and finally restoration of status quo”, sources said.


Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh formally announced Thursday that India and China have agreed to disengage at Pangong Tso, one of the three flashpoint areas in the ongoing stand-off — the others are Gogra-Hot Springs and the crucial Depsang Plains.


According to Singh, the agreement reached will see the Chinese soldiers retreat to east of Finger 8 on the northern bank of the Pangong Tso, which marks the Line of Actual Control (LAC). During the stand-off, the Chinese had moved to Finger 4. Indian troops will be based at their permanent base at Dhan Singh Thapa Post near Finger 3, he said, adding that a similar action will be taken by both sides in the South Bank area.




Experts in defence and diplomacy have greeted the development with caution — noting that disengagement may be a tactical move by China in the face of its deteriorating relationship with the US, they said India should remain “vigilant”.



Also Read: The LAC disengagement will ultimately lead to China giving up claims in northeast


Breaking stalemate

Over the course of the stand-off, India and China have conducted multiple rounds of talks at the military and diplomatic levels, but the stalemate, sources said, was finally tackled during the Corps Commander dialogue last month.


The stalemate was caused as India and China struggled to see eye-to-eye on how exactly to move forward with resolving the stand-off.


In September, China asked India to withdraw from certain crucial heights on the southern banks of the Pangong Tso — heights Indian soldiers occupied in an operation on the intervening night of 29-30 August that took the People’s Liberation Army by surprise.


India, meanwhile, insisted on disengagement at all friction points in Ladakh. However, the Chinese were not open to withdrawing from Finger 4, which they had captured in May 2020.


As the Chinese realised that India was not budging, sources said, China modified its proposal in October and brought in a plan for phased withdrawal. They said the PLA would withdraw from Finger 4 to Finger 5 and called for making Finger 4 a no-go area. This proposal, too, was rejected by India as it wanted the PLA to move behind Finger 8.


With the icy-cold Ladakh winter bringing temperatures as low as minus 20 degrees Celsius in November, China agreed to go behind Finger 8, sources said.


According to the proposal agreed to by both sides, the Chinese were to move back beyond Finger 8 and also remove all tents and observation posts set up in an 8-km area. Similarly, Indian troops were to move back to the Dhan Singh Thapa post, which is between Finger 2 and Finger 3.


After this broader agreement, the talks again went into a stalemate, and the next round of Corps Commander dialogue was not held until 24 January.


In the interim, India and China withdrew over 10,000 troops each from depth areas as part of a joint understanding while keeping soldiers untouched in forward locations.


Speaking to ThePrint, sources refused to get into the reasons for the stalemate. On 24 January, after talks lasting 16-and-a-half hours, the stalemate ended and both sides decided to go ahead with the disengagement.


Multiple talks were held at the local commanders level, sources said, to work out the nitty gritty of disengagement, which began Wednesday.


The row at the two other points — Gogra-Hot Springs and Depsang Plains — will take time to resolve, sources added.



Also Read: India, China begin fresh disengagement, but ‘trust deficit means it’ll be a long process’


Reasons for disengagement

Indian government sources said the Chinese had been keen to disengage before the winter set in, but India did not play ball.


According to them, Chinese troops were being posted to such forward locations for the first time and, contrary to belief that they were well-settled, the medical casualties were higher. The current stand-off marks the first time that India and China have deployed soldiers in forward areas in Ladakh during the region’s bitter winter.


Sources said the Indian operation in August had surprised the Chinese and they realised that India was not backing down and this face-off could last much longer than they had calculated.


Also on the Chinese mind, sources said, was the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party in July and the “image President Xi Jinping wanted to portray”.


Xi, sources added, could not have a situation where the Chinese celebrated even as the stand-off with India continued.



Also Read: Why India, China want to disengage at LAC, & how standoff has changed the strategic picture


‘India should stay vigilant’

M. Taylor Fravel, an eminent China scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), said the two sides have been working towards this disengagement for quite some time.


“Although it remains early days, my view is that China is responding to the significant deterioration of US-China relations in the past year, and the way in which its international image has suffered in many countries, at a time when the party will launch the 14th five-year plan that is critical to its development goals,” Fravel added.


The 14th five-year plan (2021-2025) was unveiled by Xi in October 2020 at the fifth Plenum of the 19th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.


“The success of this plan requires China’s greater engagement with the world and thus greater stability and fewer points of friction with other states,” he said. “Thus, China seeks to prevent any further deterioration in ties with India and to prevent the risk of escalation that might upset its development plans.”


Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal said India should remain vigilant, noting that disengagement at Pangong Tso can resolve the present stand-off, but the fundamental challenge of defining the LAC remains.


“This is a period of interregnum because uncertainty in bilateral relations continues to prevail… Xi has a ‘certain vision’ of the world and he will continue to pursue it relentlessly,” he added.


“The latest move can be seen as a tactical move because China’s relations with the US will deteriorate in the times to come. Signals from the Biden administration are not going in Beijing’s favour,” he said.


The US Department of Defense Wednesday announced the creation of a 15-member China Task Force to reassert its vision for the Indo-Pacific, which America believes China is “seeking to overturn”.


Jayadeva Ranade, former member of the National Security Advisory Board and an expert on China, welcomed the disengagement but remained sceptical of China.


“I don’t trust the Chinese and I am sure the government and the forces also don’t,” he said.


The withdrawal is not sudden and had been a matter of talks for some time, he added. One will have to wait and see the reaction in China to the disengagement process because “that will be a factor in how China carries the process forward”, he said.


One main reason for Chinese disengagement is that Beijing never calculated that India will be willing to carry forward the stand-off for so long, Ranade added.
Why China running away from LAC?

This gives so much back burn to so many on this forum

Your daddy china is running away. View attachment 717022
Only if you had bothered to read the news from other 'Indian Sources' that usually produce fake news / cooked up fantasies but heres one for you:


The sources said following completion of the disengagement process, the two sides will hold talks on the de-escalation exercise.

Sources said it will take at least a week for the disengagement process to be completed in the North and South banks of Pangong Tso, adding that both sides are carrying out verification of withdrawal of troops and equipment.
LAC disengagement: Pictures, videos show India, China pulling back troops
 
Not looking for validation from outside is something you need to learn from the Chinese, your iron brother let alone an Indian.

in other words, the international media disagrees with your indian media's assertion that India won. the reality is that China won, and your own ex-generals have admitted it.
 
By standing ground they mean didn't pull back all the way to simla
 
They claimed it was their territory. Also the plan was to capture Ladakh?? Now they have withdrawn? That too at some seriously quick speed.


And they widrew in summer. These guys are a joke.
The goal has been achieved. No more bluster about capturing Gilgit Baltistan, stopping the water of rivers flowing into Pakistan, Surgical Strikes etc. etc.

BTW nobody know what India gained or lost due to the disengagement. Most credible Indian sources are saying India has accepted the 1959 line of control as the border so it has basically kow towed to the Chinese.

You removed every single tent, construction and vehicle, you couldn't even avenge the dozens of soldiers we killed by breaking their necks. Some 'victory' this. Useless.
 
in other words, the international media disagrees with your indian media's assertion that India won. the reality is that China won, and your own ex-generals have admitted it.

Reading between lines is a skill that few have, as it appears from your case.

the point is the so called “west” chose to ignore China, the so called west chose to ignore “Pakistan “ falls in the same category.

now why they are the way they are? I wonder it’s the coffee they like or I wonder the coffee they like “with us”
 
Only if you had bothered to read the news from other 'Indian Sources' that usually produce fake news / cooked up fantasies but heres one for you:


The sources said following completion of the disengagement process, the two sides will hold talks on the de-escalation exercise.

Sources said it will take at least a week for the disengagement process to be completed in the North and South banks of Pangong Tso, adding that both sides are carrying out verification of withdrawal of troops and equipment.
LAC disengagement: Pictures, videos show India, China pulling back troops
Lol no indain coming on this.i asked in 2 threads what is indian position now.if only china withdrawing?
They are not talking about indian withdrawal.
 
Yes yes. You gave the chinese such a beating that now they are building villages in Your territory to house chinese citizens. Well done.
 
Reading between lines is a skill that few have, as it appears from your case.

we are never going to see eye to eye it seems. i will stick to the maps, comments of Indian retired generals and international media analysis. you stick to the reading the lines and the lines that you are snorting.
 

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