What's new

Islam is defined by its followers. We moderate Muslims must act

temujin

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Jul 29, 2010
Messages
447
Reaction score
0
Paris Charlie Hebdo massacre: We moderate Muslims must act - Telegraph

Islam is defined by its followers. We moderate Muslims must act

Paris Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack: It’s vital should a religion be ‘hijacked’ in any way, that the majority of its followers at least discuss the problem, argues Shaheen Hashmat

“Allah Akbar!” was the cry from two gunmen, armed with Kalashnikovs, who burst into the offices of French magazine Charlie Hebdo yesterday, opening fire and killing 12 people.

It’s widely suspected that brothers Said (34) and Cherif (32) Kouachi, both French nationals, were acting to ‘avenge the prophet Muhammad’ after his image was depicted in satirical cartoons published in the magazine.

The incident has been described as France’s worst terrorist attack in 50 years.

We are all too familiar with the narrative that follows atrocities of this nature: anger about the damaging effects of poor immigration policy, calls for ‘moderate’ Muslims to condemn the actions, followed by #NotinMyName social media campaigns (‘Je suis Charlie’ in this case), designed to clarify that the perpetrators were not in fact acting in the name of ‘true’ Islam.

If I sound a little weary, it’s because I am.

Like all of us, I’m heartbroken by yesterday’s events. But it was with an even greater sadness that I realised I wasn’t at all surprised to hear of yet another act of Islamist terrorism. I believe it will be some time yet before we hear of the last.

I am not religious myself, but I do come from a Muslim background. I know how widely beliefs and values can differ within the same family. And I have first-hand experience of how difficult it can be to express criticism, or opposing viewpoints, to those who are conservative in their outlook. Especially when they are close relatives.

It’s this feeling that, many agree, has led to the identity crisis currently occurring within Islam. There is much disagreement among Muslims themselves about which is the true interpretation to follow.

Of course the actions of radical sects are unacceptable by any moral code that values basic human rights - and it's important to understand that the majority of Muslims find them as abhorrent as the rest of us. But, despite the rejection of such extremists as ‘true’ Muslims, I believe it’s important to accept that there are some hardcore, right-wing sects of Islam that do adhere to literal interpretations of the Q'uran.


Acts of terrorism, preceded by cries of ‘Allah Akbar' (God is greatest), are now being carried out by a growing body of religious fundamentalists, who are successfully claiming their version of ‘Muslim’ as the only true definition of the term.

Having personally endured, within my own family, the abuse that is so often justified in the name of Islam, I am continually frustrated to see this replicated at an international level and denied as being an issue within moderate religious groups.

By acknowledging this, I am emphatically not dismissing the equally worrying issue of anti-Muslim bigotry. I’m just as committed to fighting that as I am to combating terrorism.

But a religion is defined by its followers. They are the ones who interpret scripture and incorporate it into everyday practice. So it’s vital, should that religion be ‘hijacked’ in any way, that the majority at least discusses the problem.

Shaaz Mahboob, Trustee of British Muslims for Secular Democracy, is calling for reform within Islam.

He told me: "Muslims must start actually thinking about their religion in order to counter the narrative of extremist ideology. As things stand, Muslims are not supposed to even consider the morality of Islamic scripture - it just isn't questioned. How can you begin to change things when you're not even allowed to question them?"

Mahboob goes further and states that Muslims and non-Muslims alike, who know of terrorist activity occurring in their communities and families, have a duty to report to the police. Failure to do so, he adds, is a "betrayal of trust".


Because when it comes to tackling fundamentalism, the personal is political. A 47-year-old Muslim woman, Gina Khan, who works as a researcher and activist, has taken the step of reporting members of her own family suspected of terrorist activity. She told me: “I reported a relative involved in a group who think they are the religious police over Muslims in Birmingham, halting behavior that they think is un-Islamic.

“One group stopped dancing and music. Although there may be a backlash as a result of reporting family who are pro-Taliban or ISIS, we are just guilty if we maintain a silence and allow them to normalize aggressive jihadism.

“I wouldn’t think twice about reporting family again.”

Of course, no individual in a democratic society should be punished for simply practicing their faith. But the gunmen involved in the Paris shooting (or those involved in incidents in Sydney, Boston, Woolwich and so on) are not interested living according to the principles of democracy while doing so.

Their actions threaten the basic freedoms that form the bedrock of our society. Muslims in the West are protected by these principles and would otherwise have been branded as heretics, historically. Yet calls to curb extremist ideology that seeks to impose decidedly non-democratic rule here are met with accusations of racism.


I am, in no way, placing the burden of responsibility for such atrocities as that which occurred in Paris yesterday on the shoulders of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. However, there are issues they must address within their communities.

But the job isn’t theirs alone.

I’m glad to see development of detailed efforts in this country at government and local authority level to address extremism. There are clear procedures in place for reporting terrorist activity and the level of detail outlined in the UK government’s Prevent strategyhighlights the scale of effort required to tackle this growing problem.

I believe that more can be done at an international level in terms of imposing sanctions on countries that do not adhere to basic human rights – those who permit stoning a woman to death if she is found to have had sex outside of marriage, for example, or the cutting of hands in cases of theft. And that’s without even touching on the horror visited upon those in the LGBT community.

But I believe that without the same level of effort from the religious communities directly affected by extremism, we are treating the symptoms and not the cause of an ideology that is permeating our society. Unless meaningful, practical action is taken to wrest control of their faith from murderers, people will likely continue to die.

As arrests are made in the hunt for the gunmen responsible for yesterday’s horrific attack, one thing is very clear: free speech – and the freedom to speak out against extremist, non-democratic behaviour, whether in the press or your community – is our most precious resource and must be protected at all costs.

The Muslim community must step up to the plate, along with everyone else.



The women's an apostate but makes a few sensible points

@TankMan @T-Faz @waz @Jungibaaz


 
Nope...a religion is what it teaches...not what it's adherents do. Your argument is like saying that Windows 7 is i3 or i5 or perhaps the mouse.

Well, a non follower knows your religion by what its followers do....

"Nope...a religion is what it teaches...not what it's adherents do".... by your logic its adherents do what ever they want, not what is taught.... hmmmmm i think this make sense, this is the main problem.
 
Well, a non follower knows your religion by what its followers do....

"Nope...a religion is what it teaches...not what it's adherents do".... by your logic its adherents do what ever they want, not what is taught.... hmmmmm i think this make sense, this is the main problem.
And in your experience are most Muslims extremists and terrs ? If that really was the case you would probably be dead. My point is that Islam as an ideology is as it is dictated by the Quran and Sunnah. Most Muslims follow this ideology to at least some extent. However humans are wont to do as they please despite what Islam orders. This is human free will. So to look at Muslims and say that this is Islam might work on some individuals and not on others. Far better to go to the source.
 
All Muslims are extremists, terrorists ==> Hell NO
All Muslim extremists are terrorists ==> Yes

Okey,you say humans free will but humans also follow other religions also they re not blowing up world peace.
Whats wrong how people narrate the ideology .
Or people are dump/blind that they cant see whats Right or Wrong or something else

That's you to decide.
 
All Muslims are extremists, terrorists ==> Hell NO
All Muslim extremists are terrorists ==> Yes

Okey,you say humans free will but humans also follow other religions also they re not blowing up world peace.
Whats wrong how people narrate the ideology .
Or people are dump/blind that they cant see whats Right or Wrong or something else

That's you to decide.
Then please tell me what the hell is the US doing all over the world ? What were the World Wars all about ? What about the blowing ups and whatnot in Burma ? What about Israel ? What about Sierra Leone ? What about Rwanda ? What about just about all of history ? Where was Islam then ? Perhaps it inspired all of that violence too. Violence is inherent in human nature. It is not confined to one religion...and even if it was, history certainly shows that it is not Islam.
Your vision is limited, your rhetoric flawed and your arguments mediocre. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
 
The assumption that a religion is as good as it's followers is simply wrong.
Humans hardly stay loyal & committed to their own ideals & principles let alone those set out for them centuries ago no matter how beautiful they are.
We vary in our interpretations & practices of the very laws that we create ourselves or that are much recent in their history or context.
But one thing is for sure that we ( the ordinary Muslims ) have to stand up & confront not only the Mullahs but equally the Liberal Fascists ( not much liberal about them ) . They want an ideological war, by all means they can have it as long as they don't make us the victims of that war & stop telling us how to live our lives
 
So you want to do what they did.... you don't want to learn from there mistakes.

Dude you are narrow minded person and you should go to school, real school not madrasa that might help...

i am done with you ..!!! :bunny:
 
I ask you, what is moderate Muslims? There is only one Islam and those who follow it are Muslims. Islam doesn't teach or allow killing of innocents and in fact it teaches forgiveness.

Those who kill innocents aren't Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews or belong any other religious group. They are worse than animals.
 
The article makes some good points but the title has a misleading argument. Islam is not defined by what its followers do. It is represented as what its followers do. Big difference

Besides, even if it was defined by what its followers did, a very small minority is extremist and thus not enough to change the definition.

Yes, we need to act, I agree with it and am very vocal about that. But no, Islam's definition hasn't been changed. I refuse to let my religion's entire definition be changed by a few murderous pieces of shit.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top Bottom