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New Imam Bill makes Islam a Crime

http://www.islam21c.com/latest/new-imam-bill-makes-islam-a-crime/

With an upcoming law targeting Muslim imams, preachers and lecturers, Denmark is now leading the way in Europe with far-reaching anti-Muslim laws. The so-called “Imam package” is defined by significant totalitarian features usually seen in the most infamous police states. Are we witnessing the reemergence of totalitarianism in Europe?

Political pioneering has never quite characterised Danish politics. Throughout the last few centuries, domestic and economic policies have been copied almost directly from Denmark’s big neighbouring states: Germany, France and Britain. From Bismarck’s welfare state to Thatcher’s revival of raw Capitalism, the same changes in Central and Western Europe eventually happen in Denmark, but with a delay of some years or even decades.

The same lack of originality is found in Danish foreign policy which has always been defined by the world’s current major powers. It supported France when Napoleon peaked in power until the British bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807, which changed Copenhagen’s loyalty from Paris to London. Denmark, unlike Norway, pledged its allegiance to Berlin when Nazi Germany looked like it was winning the war until Hitler’s devastating loss in Stalingrad consequently made Denmark a British ally again.

The newly appointed Danish foreign minister, Anders Samuelsen, was asked recently about his vision for Danish foreign policy to which he plainly answered: “my vision is to do what the US tells us to do”.[1] The same pathetic answer could really have come from any Danish foreign minister since the beginning of the Cold War when America became the world’s leading superpower.

Similarly, when security and integration politics were fused together by Western governments after 9/11, Denmark became even more eager to “learn” from its big neighbours. The so-called counter terrorism laws and prevent strategies of Britain is mirrored by the policies in Denmark. The “tough on Muslims” rhetoric from French and Dutch politicians is echoed in Denmark, not only from the right-wing, but from labour and socialist parties as well.

Leading the way

It is very unusual for Denmark to lead in anything but with the upcoming Imam Bill, it is happening nevertheless. “Leading” is usually associated with doing something good; however, in this case it could be argued that leading is not always a virtue. “The Imam Package”, as it is called, contains elements more far-reaching than any other law passed in Europe since 9/11.

A majority of the Danish parliament, including leftwing and socialist parties, agreed to the bill in June this year, and it is expected to be passed at the beginning of the coming year. The declared aim of the bill is to fight “religious preachers who seek to undermine Danish values and law”.[2] The Imam Bill will make it a criminal offence to “explicitly condone any of the specific acts such as stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy” i.e. what they deem sharia-law.

Violation of the law can result in 3 years of imprisonment as a maximum sentence. If a secular liberal condones polygamy, he or she is exempted from the law as it only targets “religious” consent and not opinions argued in a “democratic” fashion. Similarly, the right wing MP, Marie Krarup, will not be subject to the law even though she calls for physical punishment of children because she expresses her opinions within the democratic framework.

Far-reaching

Hence, a Muslim preacher or lecturer can be imprisoned for 3 years for saying: “I believe in polygamy, because the Qur’ān allows it.”

The criminalisation of religious and political convictions is not the only extreme aspect of this bill. It even prohibits these views to be expressed in “private” circumstances using the example of a “confidential” conversation of a person who seeks advice from a “religious preacher”.

It also mentions opinions expressed on Facebook and religious magazines as examples as well as a “political debate, which initially is not subjected to the law”. However, this debate could change its nature to become “religious teaching” and therefore “becomes included in the criminalisation”.

Public reactions

Several public figures have expressed their resentment of the law.

The Dean of the People’s University of Copenhagen, Bente Hagelund, said regarding the bill

“it is evident by the motives that the bill targets legal, but unpopular statements. Honestly, it is hypocritical of us to yell about equality and human rights while discriminating between the organisations we like and those we don’t like.”[3]

The Vice Director of the Institute of Human Rights, Louise Holck, commented on the bill by saying: “to criminalise something said in a private circle is extremely far-reaching”.[4] A similar reaction came from Lisbet Christoffersen, Professor in Public Law from the University of Roskilde, who considered the bill to pose “a serious change in Danish religious law practice”.[5] Jacob Mchangama, Director of think tank Justitia, criticised the law for criminalising views which do not encourage violence.[6]

Christians and Jews need not worry

The Danish government has not done much to hide its true agenda. When the general secretary of the Danish Baptist Church objected to the law, Danish Minister of Culture and Church, Bertel Haarder, was quick to calm them down by assuring the law was not “casting suspicion on religion generally” but was targeting “imams”.[7]

In other words, it is not targeting religions in general but one specific religion. The Imam Bill itself mentions that it would be unconstitutional to limit the law to target one single religion or religious group, and therefore religious preachers must be referred to in a general way in the bill.

Messy business

Things can become messy when a small time state tries to lead. The legal think tank Justitia wrote an eighteen page report arguing the Imam Bill violates The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) as it fails to live up to the qualitative and proportional requirements of the ECHR.[8]

Indeed, the Danish parliament does not seem to have thoroughly thought things through. The bill itself was a swift reaction to a 6-series Islamophobic documentary called “Mosques behind the veil” starring a member of Council of Ex-Muslims, Nahla Mahmoud, who is well-known for her anti-Muslim sentiments. Its distorted display of Danish mosques subjected the documentary to harsh criticism from communication experts such as Professor Vibeke Borberg and PhD Christian Suhr.[9]

Two months after this so-called documentary aired, a majority of parties in the parliament agreed to the new bill. In many countries laws are made after a thorough and comprehensive study of data material, expert commissions and long term experiences. In Denmark laws are made in response to documentaries. Even more extraordinary is that the Imam Bill itself mentions the documentary as the reason behind the bill.

Champions of free speech?

Quite ironically, for the last decade Danish politicians have portrayed themselves as champions of free speech. Globally, the Cartoon Crisis is viewed as a disgrace and harassment towards Muslims. In Denmark, however, it is seen as a great noble battle for free speech which Denmark eventually won.


The Cartoon Crisis, of course, had nothing to do with free speech but was a result of an encouragement to Danish newspapers, from the Danish Minister of Culture, Brian Mikkelsen, to deride Islamic symbols after a Danish artist refused to urinate on the Qur’ān.[10] The same ministry, by the way, forgot everything about free speech when it threatened the director of Denmark’s Loyal Library as he refused to cancel a political conference about Afghanistan held by a Muslim organisation, Hizb ut-Tahrir.
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Just like the Cartoon Crisis, the Imam Bill exposes Denmark’s anti-Muslim agenda and hypocritical policies. With policies such as the Swiss “handshake” law and the burqini ban in France, European countries in general are looking more and more like reemerging medieval police states. The Imam Bill is very unlikely to cause a drop of support to the Sharia. However, liberals’ confidence in their own values might have suffered quite the drop.

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This bill effectively criminalizes basic islamic discourse both in public and in private. They literally banned islamic sermons and opened up avenues to target islamic education even in the confines of one's home. In a way Denmark just overtook France in flaunting its Liberal Secular credentials. Do NOT say Denmark violated secularism.This is perfectly in line with Liberal Secular principles. Secularism can and does dictate conformation to the majority western liberal culture Eg. Ataturk's turkey . The French are infact very open and explicit about this. Liberalism only allows liberty to those minorities that agrees to be subservient to liberal secular values. The Swiss Handsake case was a clear example of this.

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The Imam Bill will make it a criminal offence to “explicitly condone any of the specific acts such as stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy” i.e. what they deem sharia-law.

LOL Circumcision of women isn't even part of Sharia law or Islam in general. It is a self invented practice in certain countries that we can count on one finger. It it funny how these bigots are equating this with Islam.

LOL equating physical punishment of children with Islam is the most dumbest thing I have read in a while. Children get physical punishment by Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish and atheist parents. We can debate whether this is right or wrong. It is not part of any religious belief and nor does any religion preach physical punishment against children. Many parents in the West are craving for more control over their children who are abusive and even physical. Mild physical punishment is certainly not wrong in their views to correct their children.

LOL Stoning and flogging are punishments which are handed out in just a few countries on this planet. The majority of Islamic countries don't even implement such punishments. In Western countries the vast majority of people seek far worse punishments than stoning and flogging for pedophiles, murderers etc. The sentiment against criminals is extreme. I'm just saying.

LOL Forced marriages is another phenomena which occurs in certain cultures including non-Islamic societies. It has no relevance with Islam whatsoever. Islam doesn't in anyway preach forced marriages. In fact, the prophet (PBUH) has himself prohibited forced marriages in the strongest manner. We have ample proof to back this up from Hadith etc.

In the West, adult men are impregnating girls as young as 16 and even younger. This is happening on a large scale because there is nothing wrong to have sex with a girls' consent. Young girls are walking around with babies and the father has run off to another victim after a one night stand. These people are shouting death and murder over polygamy LMAO A legal marriage in which a man is by law responsible for taking care of the spouse. These people are fvcked up in the head. They have no issues with young girls being impregnated, but are crying foul over polygamy.

These useless liberals have nothing useful to do.
 
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The declared aim of the bill is to fight “religious preachers who seek to undermine Danish values and law”.[2] The Imam Bill will make it a criminal offence to “explicitly condone any of the specific acts such as stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy” i.e. what they deem sharia-law.
These things are against western Values. You may argue whether they are part of Islam or not but they are certainly not part of western system and west has the right to prevent the spread of these
 
And people want us to embrace liberalism and secularism when the world is changing
 
It won't serve them any Good , but its their land their rules ..
 
If all these are not part of Islam, then why are you terming it anti Islam bill? This basically says the Danish values triumph over any religious excuses that uneducated so called 'Imams' preach. You should be happy that they are getting rid of them which should have been done by you in the first place.
 
If all these are not part of Islam, then why are you terming it anti Islam bill? This basically says the Danish values triumph over any religious excuses that uneducated so called 'Imams' preach. You should be happy that they are getting rid of them which should have been done by you in the first place.

Are you retarded? The Danish have equated these "things" with the bill. Not us.

As for getting rid of these things, how can we get rid of them when they are not even part of Islam in the first place. Many of the ills mentioned are part of Western culture as well FYI. To say that this is al exclusive to Islam is just misinformation and BS. Get your facts right.

The irony is that the West wants to fight radicalism and extremism abroad and on its own shores with the help of Islamic countries, but is at the same time shooting itself in the foot. LOL What a confused bunch.
 
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If all these are not part of Islam, then why are you terming it anti Islam bill? This basically says the Danish values triumph over any religious excuses that uneducated so called 'Imams' preach. You should be happy that they are getting rid of them which should have been done by you in the first place.

Stoning, flogging, cutting of hands, polygamy, disciplining children are part and parcel of the vast body of islamic sharia. These are unanimously agreed upon unambiguous principles.

Female circumcision and Female genital mutilation is NOT the same thing. Islamic legislation on the issue is nothing like what's culturally practiced in north African countries today. Female genital mutilation is unanimously prohibited in islam.





Force marriage is something Westerners and islamophobes project as something to be part of islam.


In Short the whole list (which is a mixture of truths, half-truths and lies) is a orientalist construct of "sharia" in the mind of the ignorant westerner. You Know throwing in forced marriage and female circumcision spice things up for them.

This bill will pave the way to persecute muslims for holding onto their beliefs, beliefs that the danish majority does not like as they want to push their majority beliefs down the throat of minorities.


Also this bill is specifically targeting religious beliefs of muslims. Apparently Denmark supposedly allows Freedom of Religion and Preaches free speech to other countries. Are you trying to say that a muslim can not hold on to fundamental islamic beliefs or that they can not teach and discuss about those beliefs in mosque or private homes. Polygamy is permissible in Islam and same with stoning. Now DO you want to say that a Imam or individual muslim should be arrested for stating the fact that " According to Sharia the punishment for adultery is stoning" or that "i believe in polygamy as the Quran explicitly allows it". Is it not a way to police the private religious beliefs and values of muslims who are a vulnerable minority in that morally bankrupt society? Are you advocating communist totalitarianism? But then again communism is part and parcel of classical liberalism.
 
Bemoaning secularists is the past time of certain individuals. You can't pull out the wahabism from them. Even with such inherent problems with fanaticism and terrorism we aren't willing to look within at how we have a problem with mullahs terrorism and not with "liberal terrorism"
 
New Imam Bill makes Islam a Crime

http://www.islam21c.com/latest/new-imam-bill-makes-islam-a-crime/

With an upcoming law targeting Muslim imams, preachers and lecturers, Denmark is now leading the way in Europe with far-reaching anti-Muslim laws. The so-called “Imam package” is defined by significant totalitarian features usually seen in the most infamous police states. Are we witnessing the reemergence of totalitarianism in Europe?

Political pioneering has never quite characterised Danish politics. Throughout the last few centuries, domestic and economic policies have been copied almost directly from Denmark’s big neighbouring states: Germany, France and Britain. From Bismarck’s welfare state to Thatcher’s revival of raw Capitalism, the same changes in Central and Western Europe eventually happen in Denmark, but with a delay of some years or even decades.

The same lack of originality is found in Danish foreign policy which has always been defined by the world’s current major powers. It supported France when Napoleon peaked in power until the British bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807, which changed Copenhagen’s loyalty from Paris to London. Denmark, unlike Norway, pledged its allegiance to Berlin when Nazi Germany looked like it was winning the war until Hitler’s devastating loss in Stalingrad consequently made Denmark a British ally again.

The newly appointed Danish foreign minister, Anders Samuelsen, was asked recently about his vision for Danish foreign policy to which he plainly answered: “my vision is to do what the US tells us to do”.[1] The same pathetic answer could really have come from any Danish foreign minister since the beginning of the Cold War when America became the world’s leading superpower.

Similarly, when security and integration politics were fused together by Western governments after 9/11, Denmark became even more eager to “learn” from its big neighbours. The so-called counter terrorism laws and prevent strategies of Britain is mirrored by the policies in Denmark. The “tough on Muslims” rhetoric from French and Dutch politicians is echoed in Denmark, not only from the right-wing, but from labour and socialist parties as well.

Leading the way

It is very unusual for Denmark to lead in anything but with the upcoming Imam Bill, it is happening nevertheless. “Leading” is usually associated with doing something good; however, in this case it could be argued that leading is not always a virtue. “The Imam Package”, as it is called, contains elements more far-reaching than any other law passed in Europe since 9/11.

A majority of the Danish parliament, including leftwing and socialist parties, agreed to the bill in June this year, and it is expected to be passed at the beginning of the coming year. The declared aim of the bill is to fight “religious preachers who seek to undermine Danish values and law”.[2] The Imam Bill will make it a criminal offence to “explicitly condone any of the specific acts such as stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy” i.e. what they deem sharia-law.

Violation of the law can result in 3 years of imprisonment as a maximum sentence. If a secular liberal condones polygamy, he or she is exempted from the law as it only targets “religious” consent and not opinions argued in a “democratic” fashion. Similarly, the right wing MP, Marie Krarup, will not be subject to the law even though she calls for physical punishment of children because she expresses her opinions within the democratic framework.

Far-reaching

Hence, a Muslim preacher or lecturer can be imprisoned for 3 years for saying: “I believe in polygamy, because the Qur’ān allows it.”

The criminalisation of religious and political convictions is not the only extreme aspect of this bill. It even prohibits these views to be expressed in “private” circumstances using the example of a “confidential” conversation of a person who seeks advice from a “religious preacher”.

It also mentions opinions expressed on Facebook and religious magazines as examples as well as a “political debate, which initially is not subjected to the law”. However, this debate could change its nature to become “religious teaching” and therefore “becomes included in the criminalisation”.

Public reactions

Several public figures have expressed their resentment of the law.

The Dean of the People’s University of Copenhagen, Bente Hagelund, said regarding the bill

“it is evident by the motives that the bill targets legal, but unpopular statements. Honestly, it is hypocritical of us to yell about equality and human rights while discriminating between the organisations we like and those we don’t like.”[3]

The Vice Director of the Institute of Human Rights, Louise Holck, commented on the bill by saying: “to criminalise something said in a private circle is extremely far-reaching”.[4] A similar reaction came from Lisbet Christoffersen, Professor in Public Law from the University of Roskilde, who considered the bill to pose “a serious change in Danish religious law practice”.[5] Jacob Mchangama, Director of think tank Justitia, criticised the law for criminalising views which do not encourage violence.[6]

Christians and Jews need not worry

The Danish government has not done much to hide its true agenda. When the general secretary of the Danish Baptist Church objected to the law, Danish Minister of Culture and Church, Bertel Haarder, was quick to calm them down by assuring the law was not “casting suspicion on religion generally” but was targeting “imams”.[7]

In other words, it is not targeting religions in general but one specific religion. The Imam Bill itself mentions that it would be unconstitutional to limit the law to target one single religion or religious group, and therefore religious preachers must be referred to in a general way in the bill.

Messy business

Things can become messy when a small time state tries to lead. The legal think tank Justitia wrote an eighteen page report arguing the Imam Bill violates The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) as it fails to live up to the qualitative and proportional requirements of the ECHR.[8]

Indeed, the Danish parliament does not seem to have thoroughly thought things through. The bill itself was a swift reaction to a 6-series Islamophobic documentary called “Mosques behind the veil” starring a member of Council of Ex-Muslims, Nahla Mahmoud, who is well-known for her anti-Muslim sentiments. Its distorted display of Danish mosques subjected the documentary to harsh criticism from communication experts such as Professor Vibeke Borberg and PhD Christian Suhr.[9]

Two months after this so-called documentary aired, a majority of parties in the parliament agreed to the new bill. In many countries laws are made after a thorough and comprehensive study of data material, expert commissions and long term experiences. In Denmark laws are made in response to documentaries. Even more extraordinary is that the Imam Bill itself mentions the documentary as the reason behind the bill.

Champions of free speech?

Quite ironically, for the last decade Danish politicians have portrayed themselves as champions of free speech. Globally, the Cartoon Crisis is viewed as a disgrace and harassment towards Muslims. In Denmark, however, it is seen as a great noble battle for free speech which Denmark eventually won.


The Cartoon Crisis, of course, had nothing to do with free speech but was a result of an encouragement to Danish newspapers, from the Danish Minister of Culture, Brian Mikkelsen, to deride Islamic symbols after a Danish artist refused to urinate on the Qur’ān.[10] The same ministry, by the way, forgot everything about free speech when it threatened the director of Denmark’s Loyal Library as he refused to cancel a political conference about Afghanistan held by a Muslim organisation, Hizb ut-Tahrir.
[11]

Just like the Cartoon Crisis, the Imam Bill exposes Denmark’s anti-Muslim agenda and hypocritical policies. With policies such as the Swiss “handshake” law and the burqini ban in France, European countries in general are looking more and more like reemerging medieval police states. The Imam Bill is very unlikely to cause a drop of support to the Sharia. However, liberals’ confidence in their own values might have suffered quite the drop.

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This bill effectively criminalizes basic islamic discourse both in public and in private. They literally banned islamic sermons and opened up avenues to target islamic education even in the confines of one's home. In a way Denmark just overtook France in flaunting its Liberal Secular credentials. Do NOT say Denmark violated secularism.This is perfectly in line with Liberal Secular principles. Secularism can and does dictate conformation to the majority western liberal culture Eg. Ataturk's turkey . The French are infact very open and explicit about this. Liberalism only allows liberty to those minorities that agrees to be subservient to liberal secular values. The Swiss Handsake case was a clear example of this.

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This disgusting Muslim man an agent of the satanist was hanged to death by Ataturk.
A lot of Muslims are bad people. There's no escaping this fact. Time for Muslims to become Human.
 
Bemoaning secularists is the past time of certain individuals. You can't pull out the wahabism from them. Even with such inherent problems with fanaticism and terrorism we aren't willing to look within at how we have a problem with mullahs terrorism and not with "liberal terrorism"
Did you bother going through the thread, before going of on your usual tirade?
 
Lets look at our own country and our own laws....I am not bothered about laws in Saudi Arabia or Sweden. When in that country i will follow their law.
 
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