What's new

North East Asian Union? Exploring the potential of an NEA integration

Aepsilons

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
May 29, 2014
Messages
24,960
Reaction score
118
Country
Japan
Location
United States
@TaiShang @Shotgunner51 @Arryn @sEoulman556 @yoshi.oda @Red Mahura

----

IMAGINE YOURSELF crossing the borders between South Korea, Japan and China freely without the long, tedious, and complicated process of checking visas, luggage, and the purposes of visits. This is actually becoming a reality in the Europe through the Schengen Agreement. Can North East Asia (NEA) ever achieve a similar level of integration such as the European model? The combination of the Japanese economy, Chinese market, Korean technology, and similar cultural backgrounds, the integration would certainly be an ideal possibility. But is it feasible at all? *The Yonsei Annals* will explore the potential.


Why NEA integration all of sudden?

The talks of the NEA integration have been conceptualized ever since the economy of the region played a significant role in the global market with increasing trade and investment between the three countries. Never before in modern history has China, Japan, and Korea been as closely linked economically as they are now. An indication of their growing economic interaction is the fact that, Japan has become China's third-largest trading partner. More specifically, “1997 Asian Financial Crisis was one factor that triggered the NEA integration. The risk of being separated and having different reactions to the financial crisis motivated the region to cooperate even closer,” said Cho Hong-sik (Prof., Dept. of Political Science, Soongsil Univ.).

If regional integration in NEA is made possible, the most obvious fact is that students can seek opportunities supra-nationally. Their competition and goals are no longer bound to one nation. True globalization of intellectual interaction can be achieved through the NEA integration. Educational interaction at the college level is already actively taking place. Yonsei Univ. has contracted with UC Berkeley to build the East Asian Education Base with UC Berkeley by 2010. Through this base, students around the region can come and interact cooperatively and competitively with Korean students. Once the region harmonizes, Korea will be an ideal setting as the educational hub of NEA. “Korean students should use their soft power or knowledge to play a leading role in the region,” said Kim Ki-jung (Prof., Political Science, Yonsei Univ.).


Positive perspectives

There are some bright prospects to move NEA toward a closer alliance.

The population movement between the three nations is taking place at a very vigorous level, which is a positive sign that the region is moving closer to each other through active network of human resources. “Population movement within the region is a proxy indicator of measuring a region’s connectivity, reflecting how a region is functionally integrated in terms of social openness towards each other. To each state in NEA, foreign visitors in the region constitute a substantially large portion, confirming a dense connectivity and interdependent network in the region,” said Choi Jong-kun (Prof., Univ. of North Korean Studies).

Also, NEA is already economically interdependent. The level of integration and mutual benefits from trade and investments are already higher than that of Europe in its initial stage of integration. Some argue that NEA’s economic integration has already happened naturally without necessarily adopting artificial multilateral mechanisms. In 2002, China accounted for 60.8% of the total exports of Japan and 92.4% after a year. The free flow of trade, capital, investments, and technology has promoted overall growth of NEA economies. “These motivated modernization of China, economic recuperation of Japan, market-restructuring of South Korea, and steady economic growth for all,” said Choi. The recent IMF study also presented that trade within Asia increased by 850%.

640_1711_5342.jpg
icon_p.gif



EU is different from the Asian model!

“People look at the EU as a prototype for the NEA integration but it is only one historical anomaly. We look at the EU and say, ‘we should make a regional integration, too’ just because the EU model was a successful one, not regarding the background differences,” said Choi. We should note that the fundamental backgrounds of the European integration and the NEA integration are different.

Historically, NEA is still an emotional battlefield whereas in Europe, Germany apologized repeatedly and made former subjugators not doubt their intentions. However, the issues of historically mis-worded school textbooks, the lack of a formal apology about comfort women during World War II, and continuous presidential visits to the Yasukuni shrine to pay tribute to Japanese war criminals are yet to be resolved. Therefore, a leadership or cooperative role from Japan is hardly expected in the near future. With the historical division between the regions and emotional discontent, any form of political policies for cooperation is bound to be blurred.

Also in terms of identity, NEA has a long way to go to amalgamate. “In the European model, co-existence and hybrid identical developments overcame nationalism,” said Kim. Jean Monnet, the founding father of the EU, had said, “I was born as a French but died as a European.” But in Asia, exclusive nationalism still prevails. Competition rather than cooperation is more common place. Although Europe is undergoing fundamental institutional change, with far-reaching efforts to redefine state prerogatives and a preference for multilateralism; Asia is characterized by marginal adjustments, insistence on state sovereignty and a preference for bilateralism.

The different impacts World War I and II had on the two separate regions can be held accountable too. In Europe, the United States actively built its alliance structure multi-nationally through NATO (North Atlantic Treaty of Organization). In Asia, by contrast, the United States forged a “hub and spoke” alliance, in which NEA relationships were connected bilaterally with the United States at the center. Security arrangements provided little basis for NEA to become more integrated. Even though there had been organizations to dialogue the security issue, they were conducted by scholars. Therefore, security cooperation was theory-based. Thus effort to find regional peace through realistic mechanisms is still lacking.



Korea plays a major role

In the integration of NEA, Korea’s role is crucial. Japan’s obstinate stance on its historical issue and China’s fast emerging global power will make the neighboring countries only restless. Here, Korea’s task of leadership is necessary. Also, geographically, Korea is situated in the middle of the NEA region of Russia, China, and Japan, where there are large markets of natural resources. Korea is the bridge of NEA, connecting the continent and the ocean. Making Korea the hub of prosperity, peace, technological development, and education should be one goal.

The popularity of the Korean Wave is increasing rapidly. It is a good sign that Korean culture is being shared and enjoyed by the two other neighboring countries which had historically, economically, and in terms of security, been in rivalry with Korea. “Cultural dialogue is not only a means for spreading attraction but also a common ground to share perception and ideas. Exchange of cultural dialogue means communication and more importantly, mutual understanding,” said Kim.

Between China and Japan, Korea seems to be inferior in that its voice would not be considered substantially, but this position can actually be used as leverage. “While constraint and suspicion between the NEA countries are steadily increasing, Korea should cooperate with Southeast Asian nations [as well as NEA nations]. Through this cooperation, Korea can have more authority in the region,” said Cho.

Of course, Korea needs to resolve the nuclear issue with North Korea, which is also important. However, ironically, this conflict can be used as an opportunity. For the first time in history, Japan, China, and Korea are agreeing on one issue, which is the denuclearization of North Korea without using force. Using this as the common united front, mutual understanding among the region can be strengthened.

Lastly, one important factor to note is that Koreans are spread across the continent. There are Russian-Koreans, Chinese-Koreans, and Japanese-Koreans who have been living in those regions ever since they left their home country as refugees of war. It is important to provide these Koreans with appropriate Korean education and evoke nationalism so that they will become a crucial intellectual resource to Korea. With these latent human resources scattered throughout the region, Korea can spread its influence more stably. With much more increased cultural and intellectual interaction between these host countries and Korea; the nations will be able to assimilate with one another.


In a nutshell

The NEA community for regional security is ideal as three major economies of the world cooperate through interdependence of market mechanisms. However, we should note the fact that European experience is an exception, not a model. It is like looking at an Armani suit which was made for lengthy and well-built Westerners and wanting to wear it when it is not even suitable for our body. Integration should be tailor-made so we should not clothe ourselves the way Europe did. In this era, the NEA integration does seem tough due to lack of common ideologies, unlike EU where democracy was held firmly by all members. Using Korea as the educational and economic hub of NEA is one key to the integration process. In addition, Korea has a vast amount of scattered Koreans living throughout the NEA region who can be used as a crucial resource to influence the continental society and politics.


Box 1.

Process of European integration

After two major conflicts in the beginning of the 19th century, World War I and II, European states began to fear another potentially more intense war that would seriously shake the regional peace. Moreover, Soviet Union’s expanding communistic ideology that had been spreading throughout Central Europe added to the concerns of Western Europe and the United States. Thus, with the United States at the center, Europe found a way to search for cooperation not by means of war but by diplomatic means. The formation of Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) enabled Europe to pursue common security through cooperation. With cooperative security pursuit crystallizing itself, economic and monetary integration also became a reality. The formation of European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) contributed to the cooperation between formerly rival nations of Germany and France through active coal and steel trade. Now, the EU is a successful model for political, economic and social integration, even to the extent of eliminating the border check points.



Reference:
European Union the Sequel: North East Asian Union? - The Yonsei Annals
 
no way in my lifetime.

The reason is obvious. North East Asian Union with China including on it just will showing the domination of China over the rest, in which something unacceptable for the proud people like Japan and Koreans.
 
That's quite possible, my friend, and within our (depending also how old we are, LOL) lifetime.

The economic foundations are being set as we speak. Remember, European integration in the post war did not occur over night. It took time some good 40 years and there was full US backing/encouragement.

In the case of NEA (with CJK at the center) there is the US factor that is working at full throttle to derail it. So, the odds CJK has to sail against is much rougher than the European experience. For once, there was no Chinese military contingencies in several European countries by the time they were forming their economic union.

US military (and as a result, political) presence is the largest roadblock for NEA union. The wisdom lies in turning this disadvantage into advantage.

In the case of Japan, this could be (and being) done under the banner of "normalization."

In the case of Korea, this could be done through early economic integration with China, which might become the conduit for Korea-Japan integration.

In the case of China, this could be achieved through the provision of immense economic incentives which would be hard for its NEA neighbors to turn their face from.

There are areas of potential integration and, realistically, security would be the final. Even Europe is not entirely unified in terms of common security if one takes out the NATO from the equation.

But certain areas of economic nature can be securitized by the CJK, and one of them being energy.

I had initiated a research (but never had a chance to complete so far due to so many other commitments) on NEA energy framework. This area is perfectly open for securitization. CJK can utilize/manipulate this common concern to ensure a certain level of security partnership.

***

Great read, by the way, thank you for digging it up, @Nihonjin1051 . Let's further explore this issue.
 
Last edited:
no way in my lifetime.

The reason is obvious. North East Asian Union with China including on it just will showing the domination of China over the rest, in which something unacceptable for the proud people like Japan and Koreans.

Well that is the goal of integration and unification, it is a merger of various states into one larger state. I suppose in the eventual aspect -- Japan and Korea unifying with Greater China will mean a seat of power will be centralized in Beijing. Coming from the patriotic Japanese perspective, even during the most desperate times or daring (some ultra patriots would use this description) times in Japan's modern history, it embarked on its own unilateral agenda of unifying East Asia through militaristic means; in fact this happened twice in history through leadership of Hideyoshi during the Imjin Wars (who planned to conquer Korea, then ultimately, unify Japan with China); and then later in the 1st, and 2nd Sino-Japanese Wars.

In the Korean perspective, historically speaking, Korea had always been a peripheral vassal state of China's since even the days of the Koguryo Empire to the last breaths of the Jeoseon Dynasty. Korea , as a civilizaiton, had relied on China for existential longevity either to resist the Jurchens, the Manchu, to resist the Czarist Russia , then later, to some degree against the Japanese. China has had a unique and rich relations with Korea and Japan in that it had played as an arbiter of peace and the conduit wherein regional cooperation was attained. China functioned as mentor and civilizational role model for Japan and Korea, and at the same time, had played as the iconic guarantor of harmony in the region to stem the tide of early 'expansionist' notions of the Japanese.

What is the common unifying theme here? The theme here is that in one way or another Korea wants to, historically and presently, always wanted to be under the protection of China; Japan historically always wanted to be united with China and Korea. China historically always wanted to guarantee preservation of harmony in her boundaries -- from alien (non-East Asian) entities that have historically plotted and weaseled themselves into China's spheres of interests and thus affected the status quo. So if we are to apply Aikido philosophy to this equation, let us use the concept of enabling each player to ease one another's "Ki" to realize union. Ultimately all three entities somehow vie to depend on each other. Integration is only the zenith and final process of the East Asian cultural integration paradigm. Either way, it will be realized.

North East Asian Union with China including on it just will showing the domination of China over the rest, in which something unacceptable for the proud people like Japan and Koreans.

That is the fatalism that defines Western ideology, Madoka. This is iconic of the zero sum mentality of Western peerage that i have come accustomed to (amongst my colleagues in the west, or the students i have had the privilege of teaching). Union does not mean the annihilation of identities but the fusion of identities under one banner. Take for example the European Union or on another multifaceted apperture -- the Russian Federation, which is a union of various Republics that ultimately constitute ONE RUSSIAN FEDERATION --- or 'Rosisykaya Federiyatsya'. Am i right @senheiser @vostok @T-55 ? :)
 
@TaiShang @Shotgunner51 @Arryn @sEoulman556 @yoshi.oda @Red Mahura

----

IMAGINE YOURSELF crossing the borders between South Korea, Japan and China freely without the long, tedious, and complicated process of checking visas, luggage, and the purposes of visits. This is actually becoming a reality in the Europe through the Schengen Agreement. Can North East Asia (NEA) ever achieve a similar level of integration such as the European model? The combination of the Japanese economy, Chinese market, Korean technology, and similar cultural backgrounds, the integration would certainly be an ideal possibility. But is it feasible at all? *The Yonsei Annals* will explore the potential.


Why NEA integration all of sudden?

The talks of the NEA integration have been conceptualized ever since the economy of the region played a significant role in the global market with increasing trade and investment between the three countries. Never before in modern history has China, Japan, and Korea been as closely linked economically as they are now. An indication of their growing economic interaction is the fact that, Japan has become China's third-largest trading partner. More specifically, “1997 Asian Financial Crisis was one factor that triggered the NEA integration. The risk of being separated and having different reactions to the financial crisis motivated the region to cooperate even closer,” said Cho Hong-sik (Prof., Dept. of Political Science, Soongsil Univ.).

If regional integration in NEA is made possible, the most obvious fact is that students can seek opportunities supra-nationally. Their competition and goals are no longer bound to one nation. True globalization of intellectual interaction can be achieved through the NEA integration. Educational interaction at the college level is already actively taking place. Yonsei Univ. has contracted with UC Berkeley to build the East Asian Education Base with UC Berkeley by 2010. Through this base, students around the region can come and interact cooperatively and competitively with Korean students. Once the region harmonizes, Korea will be an ideal setting as the educational hub of NEA. “Korean students should use their soft power or knowledge to play a leading role in the region,” said Kim Ki-jung (Prof., Political Science, Yonsei Univ.).


Positive perspectives

There are some bright prospects to move NEA toward a closer alliance.

The population movement between the three nations is taking place at a very vigorous level, which is a positive sign that the region is moving closer to each other through active network of human resources. “Population movement within the region is a proxy indicator of measuring a region’s connectivity, reflecting how a region is functionally integrated in terms of social openness towards each other. To each state in NEA, foreign visitors in the region constitute a substantially large portion, confirming a dense connectivity and interdependent network in the region,” said Choi Jong-kun (Prof., Univ. of North Korean Studies).

Also, NEA is already economically interdependent. The level of integration and mutual benefits from trade and investments are already higher than that of Europe in its initial stage of integration. Some argue that NEA’s economic integration has already happened naturally without necessarily adopting artificial multilateral mechanisms. In 2002, China accounted for 60.8% of the total exports of Japan and 92.4% after a year. The free flow of trade, capital, investments, and technology has promoted overall growth of NEA economies. “These motivated modernization of China, economic recuperation of Japan, market-restructuring of South Korea, and steady economic growth for all,” said Choi. The recent IMF study also presented that trade within Asia increased by 850%.

640_1711_5342.jpg
icon_p.gif



EU is different from the Asian model!

“People look at the EU as a prototype for the NEA integration but it is only one historical anomaly. We look at the EU and say, ‘we should make a regional integration, too’ just because the EU model was a successful one, not regarding the background differences,” said Choi. We should note that the fundamental backgrounds of the European integration and the NEA integration are different.

Historically, NEA is still an emotional battlefield whereas in Europe, Germany apologized repeatedly and made former subjugators not doubt their intentions. However, the issues of historically mis-worded school textbooks, the lack of a formal apology about comfort women during World War II, and continuous presidential visits to the Yasukuni shrine to pay tribute to Japanese war criminals are yet to be resolved. Therefore, a leadership or cooperative role from Japan is hardly expected in the near future. With the historical division between the regions and emotional discontent, any form of political policies for cooperation is bound to be blurred.

Also in terms of identity, NEA has a long way to go to amalgamate. “In the European model, co-existence and hybrid identical developments overcame nationalism,” said Kim. Jean Monnet, the founding father of the EU, had said, “I was born as a French but died as a European.” But in Asia, exclusive nationalism still prevails. Competition rather than cooperation is more common place. Although Europe is undergoing fundamental institutional change, with far-reaching efforts to redefine state prerogatives and a preference for multilateralism; Asia is characterized by marginal adjustments, insistence on state sovereignty and a preference for bilateralism.

The different impacts World War I and II had on the two separate regions can be held accountable too. In Europe, the United States actively built its alliance structure multi-nationally through NATO (North Atlantic Treaty of Organization). In Asia, by contrast, the United States forged a “hub and spoke” alliance, in which NEA relationships were connected bilaterally with the United States at the center. Security arrangements provided little basis for NEA to become more integrated. Even though there had been organizations to dialogue the security issue, they were conducted by scholars. Therefore, security cooperation was theory-based. Thus effort to find regional peace through realistic mechanisms is still lacking.



Korea plays a major role

In the integration of NEA, Korea’s role is crucial. Japan’s obstinate stance on its historical issue and China’s fast emerging global power will make the neighboring countries only restless. Here, Korea’s task of leadership is necessary. Also, geographically, Korea is situated in the middle of the NEA region of Russia, China, and Japan, where there are large markets of natural resources. Korea is the bridge of NEA, connecting the continent and the ocean. Making Korea the hub of prosperity, peace, technological development, and education should be one goal.

The popularity of the Korean Wave is increasing rapidly. It is a good sign that Korean culture is being shared and enjoyed by the two other neighboring countries which had historically, economically, and in terms of security, been in rivalry with Korea. “Cultural dialogue is not only a means for spreading attraction but also a common ground to share perception and ideas. Exchange of cultural dialogue means communication and more importantly, mutual understanding,” said Kim.

Between China and Japan, Korea seems to be inferior in that its voice would not be considered substantially, but this position can actually be used as leverage. “While constraint and suspicion between the NEA countries are steadily increasing, Korea should cooperate with Southeast Asian nations [as well as NEA nations]. Through this cooperation, Korea can have more authority in the region,” said Cho.

Of course, Korea needs to resolve the nuclear issue with North Korea, which is also important. However, ironically, this conflict can be used as an opportunity. For the first time in history, Japan, China, and Korea are agreeing on one issue, which is the denuclearization of North Korea without using force. Using this as the common united front, mutual understanding among the region can be strengthened.

Lastly, one important factor to note is that Koreans are spread across the continent. There are Russian-Koreans, Chinese-Koreans, and Japanese-Koreans who have been living in those regions ever since they left their home country as refugees of war. It is important to provide these Koreans with appropriate Korean education and evoke nationalism so that they will become a crucial intellectual resource to Korea. With these latent human resources scattered throughout the region, Korea can spread its influence more stably. With much more increased cultural and intellectual interaction between these host countries and Korea; the nations will be able to assimilate with one another.


In a nutshell

The NEA community for regional security is ideal as three major economies of the world cooperate through interdependence of market mechanisms. However, we should note the fact that European experience is an exception, not a model. It is like looking at an Armani suit which was made for lengthy and well-built Westerners and wanting to wear it when it is not even suitable for our body. Integration should be tailor-made so we should not clothe ourselves the way Europe did. In this era, the NEA integration does seem tough due to lack of common ideologies, unlike EU where democracy was held firmly by all members. Using Korea as the educational and economic hub of NEA is one key to the integration process. In addition, Korea has a vast amount of scattered Koreans living throughout the NEA region who can be used as a crucial resource to influence the continental society and politics.


Box 1.

Process of European integration

After two major conflicts in the beginning of the 19th century, World War I and II, European states began to fear another potentially more intense war that would seriously shake the regional peace. Moreover, Soviet Union’s expanding communistic ideology that had been spreading throughout Central Europe added to the concerns of Western Europe and the United States. Thus, with the United States at the center, Europe found a way to search for cooperation not by means of war but by diplomatic means. The formation of Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) enabled Europe to pursue common security through cooperation. With cooperative security pursuit crystallizing itself, economic and monetary integration also became a reality. The formation of European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) contributed to the cooperation between formerly rival nations of Germany and France through active coal and steel trade. Now, the EU is a successful model for political, economic and social integration, even to the extent of eliminating the border check points.



Reference:
European Union the Sequel: North East Asian Union? - The Yonsei Annals

It is wet dream because Southern Korea and Japan are under control of USA.
 
It is wet dream because Southern Korea and Japan are under control of USA.

I don't think its necessarily a 'wet dream', my friend. It is more so a long term strategic goal for the region. By resigning on this goal just because of the present hegemony of the Americans , means one recognizes the American might. Trust me, American is not impermeable , nor is her status as Hegemon of the Pacific & World a permanent one.

Ultimately , China will eclipse the United States. This is an eventuality. And with all eventualities comes new theories to be --- written. :)
 
no way in my lifetime.

The reason is obvious. North East Asian Union with China including on it just will showing the domination of China over the rest, in which something unacceptable for the proud people like Japan and Koreans.

China will never seek to dominate Japan or Korea. Even tiny countries like Laos & Mongolia we left them to their own devices, what more for Japan & Korea, two power houses in East Asia. What ever is happening now, in the greater context, is between China & the US.
 
Well that is the goal of integration and unification, it is a merger of various states into one larger state. I suppose in the eventual aspect -- Japan and Korea unifying with Greater China will mean a seat of power will be centralized in Beijing. Coming from the patriotic Japanese perspective, even during the most desperate times or daring (some ultra patriots would use this description) times in Japan's modern history, it embarked on its own unilateral agenda of unifying East Asia through militaristic means; in fact this happened twice in history through leadership of Hideyoshi during the Imjin Wars (who planned to conquer Korea, then ultimately, unify Japan with China); and then later in the 1st, and 2nd Sino-Japanese Wars.

In the Korean perspective, historically speaking, Korea had always been a peripheral vassal state of China's since even the days of the Koguryo Empire to the last breaths of the Jeoseon Dynasty. Korea , as a civilizaiton, had relied on China for existential longevity either to resist the Jurchens, the Manchu, to resist the Czarist Russia , then later, to some degree against the Japanese. China has had a unique and rich relations with Korea and Japan in that it had played as an arbiter of peace and the conduit wherein regional cooperation was attained. China functioned as mentor and civilizational role model for Japan and Korea, and at the same time, had played as the iconic guarantor of harmony in the region to stem the tide of early 'expansionist' notions of the Japanese.

What is the common unifying theme here? The theme here is that in one way or another Korea wants to, historically and presently, always wanted to be under the protection of China; Japan historically always wanted to be united with China and Korea. China historically always wanted to guarantee preservation of harmony in her boundaries -- from alien (non-East Asian) entities that have historically plotted and weaseled themselves into China's spheres of interests and thus affected the status quo. So if we are to apply Aikido philosophy to this equation, let us use the concept of enabling each player to ease one another's "Ki" to realize union. Ultimately all three entities somehow vie to depend on each other. Integration is only the zenith and final process of the East Asian cultural integration paradigm. Either way, it will be realized.



That is the fatalism that defines Western ideology, Madoka. This is iconic of the zero sum mentality of Western peerage that i have come accustomed to (amongst my colleagues in the west, or the students i have had the privilege of teaching). Union does not mean the annihilation of identities but the fusion of identities under one banner. Take for example the European Union or on another multifaceted apperture -- the Russian Federation, which is a union of various Republics that ultimately constitute ONE RUSSIAN FEDERATION --- or 'Rosisykaya Federiyatsya'. Am i right @senheiser @vostok @T-55 ? :)
I can not understand - why "North-East Asia"? Just East Asia. Northeastern Asia is the Russian Far East.
The USSR was the Union of republics, and Russia - is a federal state like Germany or Canada.
 
I can not understand - why "North-East Asia"? Just East Asia. Northeastern Asia is the Russian Far East.
The USSR was the Union republics, and Russia - is a federal state like Germany or Canada.

Northeast Asia refers to the historically Confucian civilizations of:
  1. China
  2. Korea
  3. Japan
Russian's Far East Territories of Chukotka, Kamchatka, Yakutia, Khabarovsk krai, Amur oblast, Sakhalin --- remain outside the traditional confines of Confucian Northeast Asia.
 
Northeast Asia refers to the historically Confucian civilizations of:
  1. China
  2. Korea
  3. Japan
Russian's Far East Territories of Chukotka, Kamchatka, Yakutia, Khabarovsk krai, Amur oblast, Sakhalin --- remain outside the traditional confines of Confucian Northeast Asia.
Then you should write "Confucian East Asia." Because in terms of geography (and North-East Asia is geographical term) North East Asia is the territory of Russia. Japan, Korea, China - certainly not northern countries.
 
Then you should write "Confucian East Asia." Because in terms of geography (and North-East Asia is geographical term) North East Asia is the territory of Russia. Japan, Korea, China - certainly not northern countries.

Northeast Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China should have an Union with all ethnic Chinese regions and countries first, Main land China ,Taiwan, Hong Kong ,Macau and Singapore.

Singapore would be included, imho. She would be a vital gateway for the area fleets of East Asia to project supremacy against any would be agitator , and thus be crushed.
 
Then you should write "Confucian East Asia." Because in terms of geography (and North-East Asia is geographical term) North East Asia is the territory of Russia. Japan, Korea, China - certainly not northern countries.

Geographically, many do consider Siberia (Far East Russia) to be the "true" Northeast Asia, and thus indigenous groups from that region like Nivkh, Oroch, Orok etc are deemed Northeast Asians.

But in terms of geopolitics, Northeast Asia typically denotes Korea, Japan and China (particularly Northern China).

If we were to be strict on geographic definitions though, the area above "East Asia" would be Northeast Asia (i.e. Far East Russia), which can be easily seen on any map. But since this is a geopolitical forum, I think the definition which includes Japan China and Korea is acceptable.

541px-East_Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png
 
no way in my lifetime.

The reason is obvious. North East Asian Union with China including on it just will showing the domination of China over the rest, in which something unacceptable for the proud people like Japan and Koreans.

In Medieval time, yes China was quite assertive and dominate, that was old mentality but this is 21st century, the NEAU (North East Asia union) will be an new civilized organization which power is share amount the relevant countries and not to be at the expense on any, any decision regarding Asia or the world will be taken collectively and should not dictate by anyone. China has learned a great deal about current organization strutures such World bank or NATO, which we come up with Idea of AIIB to offer better fair share of power than to dictate or monopolized the critical decision.
 
Geographically, many do consider Siberia (Far East Russia) to be the "true" Northeast Asia, and thus indigenous groups from that region like Nivkh, Oroch, Orok etc are deemed Northeast Asians.

But in terms of geopolitics, Northeast Asia typically denotes Korea, Japan and China (particularly Northern China).

If we were to be strict on geographic definitions though, the area above "East Asia" would be Northeast Asia (i.e. Far East Russia), which can be easily seen on any map. But since this is a geopolitical forum, I think the definition which includes Japan China and Korea is acceptable.

541px-East_Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png
You are right.
 

Back
Top Bottom