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Directly from the Horse's mouth. The writer is a defence analyst who retired as a lieutenant colonel in the Pakistan Army

The cowardly attack on Malala Yousufzai, a 14-year-old child, is a tragic reminder of the violent blowback that Pakistani society continues to bear and sustain at the hands of religious extremists who are extremely upset and frustrated because their creators and mentors are no more willing to support and finance them.
But unfortunately for the state, this change of heart on the part of our military and the intelligence set-up only encourages the militants to indulge in this type of religious vigilantism that we witnessed in the form of an attack on Malala. Since the state is the very source that taught these militants the lessons of jihad, it should shed little or no tears in now going after them, especially now that they have turned their guns towards the state itself.
For all those who are filled with anger and want the perpetrators of this heinous crime to be brought to justice, I ask a very simple question. Who allowed extremism to creep into our society? Who sponsored militancy and gave state patronage to jihadists to fight ‘our secret wars’? Who partnered with the CIA using its dollars and weapons to conduct the biggest covert operations ever in this part of the world? Who again rehabilitated religious extremism by asking the jihadists to occupy Kargil and brought upon us the shame of a failed operation? And most importantly, whose military coup retained and brought to power the mindset of the senior military officers who instead of being held accountable for their military failures were put in positions of authority?
The hands that today hold the weapons that fire on innocent girls like Malala Yousufzai are the same hands that were employed by the state to fight our secret war in Kashmir. The generals of that time propagated the brilliance of their military strategy that employed a few hundred jihadists to engage and hold back half a million Indian troops in Kashmir, thus blocking any Indian military design to challenge us on the eastern front. Little did the generals know that the same guns will one day be used to kill our innocent daughters.
The military in Pakistan was unfortunately allowed to work outside the fold of any central government for too long and with far too much autonomy. This enabled it to create a new ‘ideological frontier’ of which the death squads of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan are an essential part. The guardians of our territorial frontiers were once the creators and guardians of this ideological frontier that has recruited, armed and trained the perverted minds that indulge in violent acts like the one that severely injured Malala.
Who will hold the state accountable for the patronage that it has given to jihadists in the past? Will those who ran the affairs of the state or the autonomous and powerful institutions within the state be ever considered as criminals who committed state crimes?
At least two ISI heads in the past, Lt General Javed Nasir and Lt General Hameed Gul, used the agency to support jihadists and militants as part of state policy. These promoters of ‘great pan-Islamism’ used and employed jihadists not for geostrategic but for ideological reasons. They promoted ‘Islamic nationalism’ by utilising huge funds at their disposal through the dollars stacked in secret ISI accounts. These generals and many others played a direct role in creating and rehabilitating these religious extremists who have today turned their guns on our society.
Utilising power but without any semblance of responsibility, military dictators used the intelligence agencies to create this ‘ideological frontier’ that sustains and feeds cowards like those who fired the shots at Malala. We will not be able to defeat the mindset that harbours and flourishes in the ‘ideological frontier’ by only conducting military operations against its believers, but by bringing to justice all those who have in the past played a role in its creation.
Those who formulated and implemented the policy in the past of supporting, arming and training militants to fight proxy wars against India and Afghanistan must be held accountable. If this is not done, we will have many more leaders playing with the future of this country, leaving Malala, her generation and the generation after that to pay the price.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 11th, 2012.

Our two-faced policies on extremists – The Express Tribune
 
The cowardly attack on Malala Yousufzai, a 14-year-old child, is a tragic reminder of the violent blowback that Pakistani society continues to bear and sustain at the hands of religious extremists who are extremely upset and frustrated because their creators and mentors are no more willing to support and finance them.

this is where I agree with the writer, and that is why they have come downed to charity money, extortion, kidnapping, street crime,etc

But unfortunately for the state, this change of heart on the part of our military and the intelligence set-up only encourages the militants to indulge in this type of religious vigilantism that we witnessed in the form of an attack on Malala. Since the state is the very source that taught these militants the lessons of jihad, it should shed little or no tears in now going after them, especially now that they have turned their guns towards the state itself.

So If PA / ISI jumps over the line , the very same people would say PA / ISI is state with in state, and now when they are in their set limits and waiting on Democratic Govt. and yet people have problem with it, and let me remind you PA was ready for Operation , but thanks to Amreeka

The hands that today hold the weapons that fire on innocent girls like Malala Yousufzai are the same hands that were employed by the state to fight our secret war in Kashmir.The generals of that time propagated the brilliance of their military strategy that employed a few hundred jihadists to engage and hold back half a million Indian troops in Kashmir, thus blocking any Indian military design to challenge us on the eastern front. Little did the generals know that the same guns will one day be used to kill our innocent daughters.
The military in Pakistan was unfortunately allowed to work outside the fold of any central government for too long and with far too much autonomy. This enabled it to create a new ‘ideological frontier’ of which the death squads of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan are an essential part. The guardians of our territorial frontiers were once the creators and guardians of this ideological frontier that has recruited, armed and trained the perverted minds that indulge in violent acts like the one that severely injured Malala.

So please correct me if am wrong but I thought Talibans were trained to guard the Western front and too with the support of CIA not the eastern front, and what Kashmir has to do with it,

What else we can expect from Express Tribune
 
As an outsider, I feel that some extremists are actually encouraged in Pakistan....these are the ones tied to shadowy outside groups. This group, however, does not like competition.
 
thus why we sandwiched btw taliban and the west , its simple choose a side.
 
thus why we sandwiched btw taliban and the west , its simple choose a side.

We are only sandwiched between our city Mullahs and the tribal Jihadis.

Our educated elite harbor Islamo-socialistic mindset that supports the city Mullahs.

The city Mullahs then turn around and support tribal Jihadis by giving them shelter, and money.

Add all that to money coming from Gulf Arab supporters of Jihad, and you got the complete picture of the terrible situation in Pakistan.

The day we denounce Islamo-socialism, and kick out the city Mullahs from their mosques if they don't listen to us. you will see that tribal jihad will be finished in no time.


peace
 
We are only sandwiched between our city Mullahs and the tribal Jihadis.

Our educated elite harbor Islamo-socialistic mindset that supports the city Mullahs.

The city Mullahs then turn around and support tribal Jihadis by giving them shelter, and money.

Add all that to money coming from Gulf Arab supporters of Jihad, and you got the complete picture of the terrible situation in Pakistan.

The day we denounce Islamo-socialism, and kick out the city Mullahs from their mosques if they don't listen to us. you will see that tribal jihad will be finished in no time.


peace

Well its not tht simple !
We need a dedicated revolution with dicipline to rootout this sickness from the minds of animals who are butchering our peoples everywhere in the country on the name of our beautyfull religion !
 
As an outsider, I feel that some extremists are actually encouraged in Pakistan....these are the ones tied to shadowy outside groups. This group, however, does not like competition.

Iran has Waaay more enemies than Pakistan. Why are those enemies not funding such groups in Iran? Where are the daily Iranian bombings, and attacks on their forces?
 
We are only sandwiched between our city Mullahs and the tribal Jihadis.

Our educated elite harbor Islamo-socialistic mindset that supports the city Mullahs.

The city Mullahs then turn around and support tribal Jihadis by giving them shelter, and money.

Add all that to money coming from Gulf Arab supporters of Jihad, and you got the complete picture of the terrible situation in Pakistan.

The day we denounce Islamo-socialism, and kick out the city Mullahs from their mosques if they don't listen to us. you will see that tribal jihad will be finished in no time.


peace

Princeton University - Survey shifts spotlight away from poor as key supporters of militants in Pakistan
 
The day we denounce Islamo-socialism, and kick out the city Mullahs from their mosques if they don't listen to us. you will see that tribal jihad will be finished in no time.
Which is why, I take it, you don't support the PPP. But can one really support the likes of the MQM given that it's a fascistic organization whose members must vow personal loyalty to the Supreme Leader?
 
Which is why, I take it, you don't support the PPP. But can one really support the likes of the MQM given that it's a fascistic organization whose members must vow personal loyalty to the Supreme Leader?


Good point.

MQM is no doubt a fascist party, that has destroyed my community's chances of progress and prosperity.

It baffles my mind that still so many of my community members support the dimwit mota chor (fat thief) and his bhatta khori (mafia tax on local businesses).

Karachi O karachi, my beloved! what hath they done to you,
They robbed you, they raped you, they have utterly destroyed you


Karachi used to be in the grips of religious fascists Islami Jamat until a bigger fascist replaced it. And I fault our educated elite for it.

Jamat Islami would win one seat from the rest of Pakistan and yet Karachi voters let them win 7 to 10. How on earth the population that is 90% educated and urbanized would year after year vote for the fascists.

But then I think about other places such as Nazi Germany and realize that Nazis too were educated, industrialized and much more cultured than us the Karachites could ever be. And yet they committed horrendous crimes in the name of their dictator the Hitler.

Just think about Altaf and yes he too is our hit man hilter. Still he has been given citizenship in UK. Is that how the third world fascists escape justice and do the remote controlled killing and murder?


Oh well. This is getting off topic. But yes Karchi educated elite are supporting Jihadis a la Banori town mosque and then they support MQM.

And to top it all, our Shias community goes out of their way to blame America and then burn the local KFC. One would think they are suffering in the hands of wahabis so they would be a bit less militant. But no. Karachi has no such luck, No such fing luck.


peace
 
So please correct me if am wrong but I thought Talibans were trained to guard the Western front and too with the support of CIA not the eastern front, and what Kashmir has to do with it,

What else we can expect from Express Tribune

After Soviets retreated from Afghanistan Your generals send some of the Mujahideens in to Kashmir to fight a proxy war against India.There were no insurgency in kashmir before 1989.
 
this is where I agree with the writer, and that is why they have come downed to charity money, extortion, kidnapping, street crime,etc



So If PA / ISI jumps over the line , the very same people would say PA / ISI is state with in state, and now when they are in their set limits and waiting on Democratic Govt. and yet people have problem with it, and let me remind you PA was ready for Operation , but thanks to Amreeka



So please correct me if am wrong but I thought Talibans were trained to guard the Western front and too with the support of CIA not the eastern front, and what Kashmir has to do with it,

What else we can expect from Express Tribune

Yeah I agree with you.

Kashmir is part of Pakistan illegally occupied by Indian forces. Gen. Muhsarraf was the only person who forced hindis to come on the table & talk about Kashmir, it was near to get solved but unfortunately his rule came to an end. Also he successfully defeated the newly established CIA’s & RAW’s TTP but they all came back after Gen. Musharraf stepped down.

What I think is at the end of the day Pak Army will take over & these upcoming elections will decide it all. I personally support Military Rule because our country only deserves Military Rule nothing more than that.
 
After Soviets retreated from Afghanistan Your generals send some of the Mujahideens in to Kashmir to fight a proxy war against India.There were no insurgency in kashmir before 1989.


:hitwall: Why so many Indians and Pakistanis come on a "defense" forum to spread ignorance, misinformation, and personal vendetta. Why?


Oh Bhai Sahib, Kashmir insurgency has been around since 1947, sometimes warm, sometimes cold, sometimes hot, and sometimes super hot. 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, .... you get the idea have seen some form of insurgency or the other. However so many Indians burry their sideways-shaking heads in the sand and continue repeating falsehood mantra so popular with Indian sarkari baboos and the half-@rsed news-rag jurnos. Pathetic. Just pathetic. PDF should not be turned into the bag of lies also known as times of India. Please!

If you want to talk about the 80s insurgency, then start it with the botched elections of 1987. Who botched those elections? Hi-Hess-HI (ISI)? Pakistani government? Heck no!

It was Indian government and its blind poodles of Abduallah clan. They are the ones who rigged the elections, deprived the Indian Kashmiris from raising their legitimate and peaceful voice.That's when Kashmiris rose up and insurgency started.

Tell you what, if militants show up in Syria these days, would you blame Turkey for the Syrian mess or Assad? Let me hear how you view the world. Let's see if you support Assad the butcher or not.


Then they say the rest is history.

Blaming the whole thing only on a lesser power Pakistan is an obsession for so many Indian posters when they behave just like their blind counterparts the Islamists. And that's a shame, crying shame that is!
 
If you want to talk about the 80s insurgency, then start it with the botched elections of 1987. Who botched those elections? Hi-Hess-HI (ISI)? Pakistani government? Heck no!

It was Indian government and its blind poodles of Abduallah clan. They are the ones who rigged the elections, deprived the Indian Kashmiris from raising their legitimate and peaceful voice.That's when Kashmiris rose up and insurgency started.

Tell you what, if militants show up in Syria these days, would you blame Turkey for the Syrian mess or Assad? Let me hear how you view the world. Let's see if you support Assad the butcher or not.


Then they say the rest is history.

Blaming the whole thing only on a lesser power Pakistan is an obsession for so many Indian posters when they behave just like their blind counterparts the Islamists. And that's a shame, crying shame that is!


Damn right you are ! Indira Gandhi messed up Punjab & her son messed up Kashmir.
 

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