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Perhaps chinese options are better if they come with TOT, besides they must be cheaper then the american ones but we were talking about earlier that maybe the striker programe is under the aid which US plans to use it to upgrade the FC. So if that is the case then perhaps money should not be the problem.
 
Here is a chinese option:

Next Generation Wheeled Combat Vehicles

China North Industries Group Corporation (NORINCO) is currently developing new generation wheeled armoured combat vehicles for both domestic and international market. A number of designs in 6X6 and 8X8 arrangement have been revealed. As well as conventional land warfare, these vehicles are also suitable for a range of unconventional operations such as low intensity conflicts, peacekeeping, urban warfare, and antiterrorism. The vehicles have been incorporated with a large amount of commercial ‘off-the-shelf’ technologies to save the development costs and time.

A 6X6 wheeled armoured personnel carrier (APC) revealed by NORINCO in 2006 features a modular structure selected to give the maximum flexibility and easy maintenance. The whole vehicle is composed of six modules: powerpack module, transmission module, control module, suspension module, hull module, and weapon station module. The fully amphibious vehicle has a combat weight of 16 tonnes, and can be airlifted by aircraft such as Y-8 and C-130. The vehicle has a crew of three (commander, gunner, and driver), and its troop compartment can carry seven soldiers.

In later 2006 an unknown model of 8X8 wheeled armoured combat vehicle was also spotted undergoing road testing. The vehicle is similar to the NORINCO 6X6 wheeled APC in hull design, but has a stretched troop compartment with larger capacity. The new 8X8 wheeled vehicle is produced in a range of variants including infantry fighting vehicle 9IFV), 105mm assault gun, 122mm self-propelled howitzer, and armoured recovery vehicle (ARC).

Weapon options for these vehicles include 5.8mm or 7.62mm machine gun; 12.7mm or 14.5mm anti-aircraft machine gun (AAMG); 25 or 30mm automatic cannon, 35mm automatic grenade launcher, and Chinese indigenous HongJian (HJ) series anti-tank guided missile (ATGM).

The NORINCO 6X6 APC featured laser rangefinder, optical and low-light/image-intensified night vision for commander and gunner, and infrared search light. The commander can observe the outside view using CCD camera and a large-size colour visual unit on the commander panel. The driver has a ‘virtual panel’ which displays all vehicle data and information on a computer display. The user can also choose to install a vehicle electronic information system which integrates the driver and commander computers and can be used to exchange data and information with other terminals to achieve the netcentric warfare capability.

The vehicle hull is made of high-hardness steel which can resist direct hits by 7.62mm weapon and blast of 152mm artillery shells. Additional composite armour plats can be fitted for extra protection. The underside of the vehicle is enhanced to protect its crew and passengers from the blast of a 6,000g mine detonated underbelly. The hydraulically operated engine radiator shutters can be closed to protect the vehicle from the Molotov Cocktail attack in urban operations.

Great emphasis was also put on the safety and comfort of the crew and passengers. The vehicle is equipped with collective NBC protection, air conditioning, and automatic fire suppression systems. Special inertia design has been adopted to reduce the noise heat, and vibration level inside the vehicle.

Sounds like a good option.
 
Indeed sounds like a good option but then again if we go for the chinese version we need to pay it ourselves whereas if we go for the striker, it may come under the upgradition aid for the FC. Anyways both vechiles seem to be ideal enough for the FC to be used against terrorist activities in hostile areas.
 
Not Hiace asim its a van, i think its hilux.

Yeah I forget the funky names....on the other hand, the open vehicles allow troops to dismount and disperse more quickly than lets say an APC....so vehicles with more protection and mobility would probably help. Neither the Hilux nor the M113s fit the bill.
 


Are these the FCs guys? With the motor cycles? There goes the mobility, but not protection.

Also do the FCs have individual communication systems or not?
 
Isnt the FC guys one those who wear shalwar kameez. They look more like rangers to me. FC does have there own communication system which happens to be down most of the time. I think that is the reason we hear news all the time from army spokemen that we lost connection with them radio went down. Bottom line FC is very poorly trained and illequiped.
 
icecold is correct plus they dont have much experience in counter-insurgency. FC is basically border guards (at best).
 
Are these the FCs guys? With the motor cycles? There goes the mobility, but not protection.

Also do the FCs have individual communication systems or not?
No they are not FC guys, they are Rangers (not the ones you see in border)

& FC have its own communication system which is poorly maintained.

Regards
Wilco
 
Frontier Constabulary are poorly trained personals who are just basically trained to catch smuglers or Intruders, they are not trained to Fight with the Professional terrorists.

Regards
Wilco
 
Rangers are only based on the eastern border with India. in the past we had various scout militias like Tochi, bajaur scouts etc. they were later amalmagated into the FC to create 1 organisation with the sole purpose of border patrols catching smugglers etc as wilco has mentioned.
 
It was a bad idea at the first place to bring FC to counter these professional militants. FC is meant for border patrol not for counter insurgentcy. Army and airforce should be used to clean them up once and for all.
 
There is no military "once and for all" for fighting militancy...the solution to this situation is political development involving Pashtuns and ending of occupation in Afghanistan.

Hitting the problem with military force is only a band aid solution...won't fix the problem for long or for good. The problem resides in Afghanistan and the tribal areas are just getting impacted because of the issues in Afghanistan.
 
blain2 - i agree with you but history tells us that these tribals (esp mehsuds) cant be trusted. the only trust these tribals know is money and then they will stab u in the back.
the immediate solution is military and then political by imposing the writ of Pakistan laws in these areas. provide schools, hospitals and create jobs for the local law abiding people. as someone said rome wasnt built in one day!
will take time and patience - ups and downs will occur.
 
There is no military "once and for all" for fighting militancy...the solution to this situation is political development involving Pashtuns and ending of occupation in Afghanistan.

Hitting the problem with military force is only a band aid solution...won't fix the problem for long or for good. The problem resides in Afghanistan and the tribal areas are just getting impacted because of the issues in Afghanistan.

How can you say so Mr blain? Everytime we started a dialouge procress, we ended up in having FC soliders got kidnapped. As for the military solution, we know that the militants are coming from afghanistan and whos supporting them and what ways are being used to support these antistate elements? So why not we use the same approach turkey is about to use in iraq? We strike in afghanistan. Dont you think we have had it enough with this BS diplomacy, and its time that we tell these elements sitting outside pakistan that pakistan is capable of protecting its interests in the region and we are quite capable of striking beyond pakistan's boundries if we have too. I would appreciate your comments on it.
 
The best solution as i think for this is to Have a strong Military operation & then pull back the army & send Diplomats to convince people that it is for there good to stay in peace & help us to maintain peace. not you neither us want any violence in the area we want to main the peace for the good of the country & as being the citizens of this country you should help us, or you have seen what can Happen. so peace is is good for both of us.

Regards
Wilco
 

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