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After Pakistan Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi demanded unmanned Predator aircrafts from the US, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani has now asked the Obama administration to provide it with Cobra and Apache assault helicopter gunships to carry out operations against the insurgents in the tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

General Kayani handed over the list of demands to senior US military officials during their recent meeting. The Daily Times reported.

Islamabad has also asked for spare parts for the existing weapons, which are in urgent need of repair, as they are way past their stipulated working age.

Earlier, Qureshi had reportedly asked the United States to provide unmanned aircrafts to carry out attacks on militant hideouts inside its territory.
Pakistan Wants Cobra and Apache Helicopters From US
 
i guss, pakistan should look in the Apaches , because cobra's era is over , we need modren machines.
 
^ i think its very clear that the US is un-willing to provide the apaches but has instead offered the super cobra which is used by the USMC. meanwhile see additional EDA cobra 1Fs and bell 412 to be delivered to the PAA.
 
Which do you guys prefer? the Apaches or the Super Cobras? assuming you can get one of them.

Which would benefit most for Pakistan?.
 
And the request will fall on deff ears . and at best PA will be entertained by old over age cobras from several countries wohooooooooo lol dun know when people will start learning from their mistakes

For the sake of few cobras n old junk we have wasted our 60 billion dollars on war on terror in which we would have afford EF-2000's/Rafales , Tiger helicopters , frigates n all the goodies n most importantly we have sacrificed our peace
 
AH-1W/AH-1Z Super Cobra Attack Helicopter, USA

Dimensions

Length13.9mHeight4.02mRotor Diameter14.63mEmpty Weight12,200lb (10,920lb)Maximum Gross Weight16,800lb (14,750lb)Internal Fuel2,755lb (2,086lb)Maximum Ordnance3,914lb (1,661lb)Full specifications

The AH-1W Super Cobra is the US Marines' attack helicopter. It is supplied by Bell Helicopter Textron, and entered service in 1985. As well as the US Marine Corps, the Super Cobra is operational with the Turkish Land Forces and the armed forces of Taiwan. The AH-1W was deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003.

Super Cobra upgrade programme

A major upgrade of the Bell Super Cobra known as the H-1 programme is underway.

The programme calls for the remanufacture of the US Marine Corps fleet of 180 AH-1W Super Cobra and 100 UH-1N utility helicopters to an advanced four-bladed configuration.

The existing two-bladed semi-rigid, teetering rotor system is being replaced with a four-bladed, hingeless, bearingless rotor system. The improvement in flight characteristics provided by the four-bladed configuration has led to increases in flight envelope, maximum speed, vertical rate-of-climb, payload and rotor vibration level.

The USMC subsequently decided on new-build rather than remanufactured UH-1Y helicopters and, in February 2008, awarded Bell a contract for the new build of 40 of the proposed 180 AH-1Z helicopters. Four additional helicopters were ordered in September 2008. The new-build AH-1Z will be fitted with the uprated T700-401C engines, also fitted on the UH-1Y.

First flight of the AH-1Z took place in December 2000. The AH-1W entered low-rate initial production (LRIP) in October 2003. Five AH-1W helicopters were remanufactured to AH-1Z standard and took part in flight testing at NAS Patuxent River, Maryland. Sea trials in May 2005 included the first shipboard landing on USS Bataan, Wasp Class amphibious assault ship.

Developmental testing was completed in February 2006 and two test aircraft began operational evaluation (OPEVAL) with the USMC in May 2006. The first production AH-1Z helicopter was delivered to the USMC in January 2007. Phase II of OPEVAL began in February 2008. A full-rate production decision is expected in 2009. Initial operating capability is scheduled for July 2011.

The Turkish Army selected the AH-1Z King Cobra in July 2000 with a request for 50 out of a total requirement for 145 helicopters. In May 2004, it was announced that the acquisition was to be cancelled. The helicopters were to be built in Turkey by Tusas Aerospace Industries (TAI).

Cockpit
Northrop Grumman has developed the integrated avionics systems for the AH-1Z. The systems include two mission computers and an automatic flight control system with four-axis stability control augmentation system. Each crew station has two 8in×6in multifunction displays and one 4.2in×4.2in dual function display, based on active matrix liquid crystal colour technology.

The displays are supplied by L-3 Ruggedised Command and Control Solutions. Smiths Aerospace supplied the weapon stores control and data transfer system.

"The AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter was deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003."The communications suite combines the new US Navy RT-1824 integrated radio, UHF/VHF, COMSEC and modem in a single unit. The navigation suite includes an embedded GPS inertial (EGI), a low-airspeed air data subsystem, which allows weapons delivery when hovering and a digital map.

In June 2002, Thales Avionics' TopOwl helmet-mounted display system was chosen for the USMC AH-1Z. The first system was delivered in January 2003. TopOwl, also fitted on Tiger, NH90 and Rooivalk helicopters, has integrated Gen IV image intensifier and FLIR capability and provides transition from day to night use at the push of a button.

Weapons and missiles
The Super Cobra can carry both TOW and Hellfire anti-armour missiles and is being qualified to carry the Maverick missile. The Raytheon BGM-71 TOW missile has a range of more than 3km and semi-automatic command-to-line-of-sight guidance. The AGM-114 Hellfire missile is manufactured by Lockheed Martin. It is equipped with a semi-active laser seeker and has a range of 7km. The Super Cobra has fire-and-forget capability when firing the Hellfire missile in co-operative mode with laser target illumination.

The Super Cobra was the first attack helicopter to qualify both the Sidewinder air-to-air missile and the Sidearm anti-radiation missile. Both missiles can use the same LAU-7 rail launcher. Sidearm has a range of more than 15km. AIM-9L Sidewinder is an all-aspect, short-range, air-to-air missile produced by Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. The missile has a range of 15km.

The Super Cobra can fire the Hydra family of unguided 70mm rockets or the larger 127mm Zuni rocket bombs. From 2008, it will be armed with the advanced precision kill weapon system (APKWS), a guided version of the Hydra. The US Army re-opened the competition for the APKWS in September 2005 and a decision on contractor is expected in March 2006.

The Super Cobra carries a three-barrel, 20mm Gatling gun for close range (up to 2km) engagement and 750 rounds of ammunition. With the gun in a fixed forward position, the pilot can aim by manoeuvring the helicopter. Either crew member can slave the turret to the helmet-mounted sight and aim the gun by looking at the target.

"The Super Cobra carries a three-barrel, 20mm Gatling gun for close range engagement."The AH-1Z for the USMC will be armed with: 16 Hellfire missiles, six AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, 70mm rocket pods (7- and 19-shot), and a 20mm gun.

Sensors
Targeting for the AH-1W is provided by the night targeting system (NTS), jointly produced by Tamam Division of Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd and Kollsman.

NTS integrates a forward-looking infrared (FLIR) which provides automatic target tracking with a laser designator / rangefinder and video recorder.

Lockheed Martin has developed a longer range AN/AAQ-30 target sight system (TSS) for the AH-1Z to replace the NTS. TSS includes a third-generation four field-of-view FLIR based on a 3-5-micron staring array, CCD colour TV, Kollsman eyesafe laser rangefinder / designator and multi-target autotracker. L-3 Communications Wescam supplies the turret assembly. Lockheed Martin was awarded a contract to supply the first 16 systems to the USMC in March 2008.

Longbow International (a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman) is developing the Cobra Radar System for the AH-1Z, based on the Longbow millimetre wave radar on the AH-64D Apache. Cobra is a pod-based radar that can be mounted on a wingtip or in a stores position. Cobra can automatically search, detect, classify and prioritise multiple moving and stationary targets. It has a range of 8km against moving and 4km against stationary targets.

Countermeasures
The H1 Super Cobra upgrade includes provision of a new electronic warfare suite. A new radar warner, the AN/APR-39(XE2) from Lockheed Martin, replaces the Lockheed Martin AN/APR-39(V)2 pulse radar warner and the AEL Industries AN/APR-44 continuous-wave radar warner.

The ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warning system has been included in the upgrade suite. AN/AAR-47 uses infrared detectors to detect the missile plume. The Goodrich (formerly Raytheon) AN/AVR-2A laser warning receiver has also been added. The infrared countermeasures system is the AN/ALQ-144A developed by BAE Systems IEWS (formerly Sanders, a Lockheed Martin company).

"Super Cobra is armed with TOW missiles."The helicopter is also equipped with the AN/ALE-39 chaff and infrared flare dispenser manufactured by BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) and Lockheed Martin Tactical Defense Systems.

Engines
Twin General Electric T700-GE-401 turboshaft engines provide a total of 2,410kW or 3,380shp.

In standard conditions, with an air-to-air ordnance load, the SuperCobra can take off and climb out at more than 4.1m/s on only one engine. It can hover out of ground effect (OGE) at 914m, with a load of four TOW and four Hellfire missiles, full turret ammunition and rockets.

the SuperCobra is a fairly new technology
 
Well the US has never been sincere in the War on Terror on Afghanistan. Look at the present helos ... I don't think we got any helos before 2005 ! So much for war on terror efforts !
 
Which do you guys prefer? the Apaches or the Super Cobras? assuming you can get one of them.

Which would benefit most for Pakistan?.

for the war on terror I think super cobra will be good enough
Apache is an epic machine. but Pakistan is not at that partnership level to get it from USA
 
Well the US has never been sincere in the War on Terror on Afghanistan. Look at the present helos ... I don't think we got any helos before 2005 ! So much for war on terror efforts !

Basically US want to get rid of this war n wana leave but they couldnot coz of theri ego factor as a super power n to retain minimum losses they have indulge Pakistan into it n to keep Pakistan involved they are continuously throwing this old junk towards us
 
Well the US has never been sincere in the War on Terror on Afghanistan. Look at the present helos ... I don't think we got any helos before 2005 ! So much for war on terror efforts !

need to keep the emotions in check we have a lot to blame ourselves too
we have an incredible leadership and are known to be corrupt & confused foreign policy living in denial about home grown fanaticism that we cultivated for years and then we are keen to blame every trouble 100% on America and in the same breath want their best machines

I dont think you can expect any favors from someone you are insulting and then expecting the best present at the same time.

we have used 80s era cobras to much good effect. the fanatics **** in their pants to the sound and firing of the cobras its just that they are old and only few.

whatever Americans are willing to give us is only because of the sacrifices & steadfast professionalism of our forces otherwise look at the state of the affairs of our country

we managed to be corrupt, weak, fanatics, intolerant, incompetent, divided & useless without the Zionist & American conspiracies.


yes this war was imposed on us during 2000s but if America had not come this hateful fanaticism would have reared it head by now already anyway

so lets not make anymore enemies & cleanup our country
 
Which do you guys prefer? the Apaches or the Super Cobras? assuming you can get one of them.

Which would benefit most for Pakistan?.

Apache in the long run.

As well as for hunting down militants, it will be a good choice for Anti-Armor operations.

But US is not gonna give it anytime in near future.

The Super Cobra would also be a very good option, as its good for high altitude operations as well as good for anti-tank operations.
 
Neither is US gonna give us APACHES and neither we can afford them.
 
Yes Super Cobra would be the best choice even if they give to us..... they want to us to fight a war without any proper wepons.
 
Yes Super Cobra would be the best choice even if they give to us..... they want to us to fight a war without any proper wepons.

just a question dont get me wrong guys..
we all complain for good or bad reasons for US holding back from giving us the best weapons.

what I the USA decides to say, "you know what? just forget it we are not going to give you any thing and itsyour problem so deal with it"

what can we do then? threaten them that we will stop the operations?
what good will that do?
do you think that TTP and Sipah sahaba will stop killing our citizens?
does anyone hae inside information that these throat slitting, bomb exploding maniacs will suddenly give up their weapons and pick up olive branches?

my point is.. I think we need a helicopter gunship version of JF 17 thunder

take a rickshaw put some rotary blades on it and fit a 12.7MM cannon on it to start with I dont care but do something ourselves

I think Americans will respect us more for trying to stand on our own.

in the mean time just be happy that we get spare parts for our copers we have & hope that we get some super cobras
 

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