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(Reuters) - Muslim pupils and parents in France are increasingly making religious demands on the state school system that teachers should rebuff by explaining the country's secular principles, according to an official report.

The High Council for Integration (HCI) reported growing problems with pupils of immigrant backgrounds who object to courses about the Holocaust, the Crusades or evolution, demand halal meals and "reject French culture and its values."

"It is becoming difficult for teachers to resist religious pressures," said the report, published in draft form by the newspaper Journal du Dimanche over the weekend. The final report will be presented to the government next month.

"We should now reaffirm secularism and train teachers how to deal with specific problems linked to the respect for this principle," it said.

France's strict separation of church and state relegates religion to the private sphere, an approach challenged by a growing Islamic identity among some of the five million Muslims in the country's 65 million population.

HCI President Patrick Gaubert told the newspaper his agency decided to study how pupils from immigrant backgrounds adapted to the state school system because "this is at the heart of the challenges that French society must face."

The report, which studied a wide range of issues faced by pupils of immigrant backgrounds, gave no figures for the extent of problems linked to religion but said they came up so often in the hearings the HCI conducted that they merited attention.

REFUSING CLASSES, DEMANDING HALAL

Teachers often faced objections when they taught courses about world religions, the Holocaust or France's war in Algeria, or discussed events related to Israel and the Palestinians or American military actions in Muslim countries, the study said.

"Teachers regularly find that Muslim parents refuse to have their children learn about Christianity," it said. "Some think it amounts to evangelization."

"Anti-Semitism ... surfaces during courses about the Holocaust, such as inappropriate jokes and refusals to watch films" about Nazi concentration camps, it said. "Tensions often come from pupils who identify themselves as Muslims."

Teachers found they could discuss the transatlantic slave trade but met criticism from pupils when they brought up the history of slavery within Africa or in the Middle East.

Reflecting the promotion of anti-Darwinist thinking in Muslim countries, "evolution is challenged by pupils who posit divine or creationist action without any argument for it."

In some areas with large immigrant populations, many pupils shun school cafeterias for religious reasons, even though most offer alternative dishes when pork is on the menu.

"Demand for halal menus is strong, even for the very young in public creches," it said. "In some cities, there are petitions for halal -- and sometimes kosher -- meals."

The report stressed the state could allow alternatives to pork but could not allow halal or kosher meals because the price for ritually slaughtered meat included a tax paid to religious organizations that certify the food was properly prepared.

"The school cannot, in this sense, participate in the religious education of its pupils or conform to principles that it does not recognize," the report said.

France allows private religious schools and the number of Jewish schools has risen in recent years. There are few Muslim schools and most parents would have difficulty paying tuition.

PHILOSOPHICAL UPHEAVAL

During Ramadan, some Muslim pupils harass others who don't observe the annual daytime fast, it said. Boys who identify themselves as Muslims and reject French values harass girls who do well in class as "collaborators" with the "dirty French."

Some girls ask to be excused from gymnasium or pool sessions because they are not supposed to mix with boys, it added.

The report said French schools must insist on co-education, equal rights and mutual respect. "Being a French citizen means accepting challenges to one's opinions ... this is the price to pay for the freedom of opinion and expression.

"Must we recall that the crime of blasphemy has not existed in France since the French Revolution?" it asked.

"The principle of secularism leads to a profound gelatinization of religion. This is a philosophical upheaval that religions only consent to with difficulty," it said.

(Editing by Tim Pearce)

Stay classy, European Muslims.
 
Mind your language please, your a senior member, I thought some fanatic had blown something up.

In America (I know this has nothing to do with France) No school or teacher is aloud to teach us about Religion (Maybe its different in France). There is nothing wrong with people not wanting to learn about other religions, What is wrong with that? Go to Church, Mosque Synagogue etc... to learn about religion.
 
Lol this is just the beginning. Another reason why France and a few other countries are objecting to immigration.
 
In America (I know this has nothing to do with France) No school or teacher is aloud to teach us about Religion (Maybe its different in France).

No, they are allowed. I take a 'Holocaust and Genocide' class and we frequently go over religious practices that influenced genocide. For ALL religions, islam, christianity, judaism, and even soviet russia's atheist influence.

In my History class we go over medieval practices of Christianity. stonings, lynchings, etc and what's wrong with learning about other religions? It helps understand what led to society today and create some tolerance.
 
No, they are allowed. I take a 'Holocaust and Genocide' class and we frequently go over religious practices that influenced genocide. For ALL religions, islam, christianity, judaism, and even soviet russia's atheist influence.

In my History class we go over medieval practices of Christianity. stonings, lynchings, etc and what's wrong with learning about other religions? It helps understand what led to society today and create some tolerance.

oops.. by bad.. enjoy! :yahoo:
 
What the problem

a) Children are there to learn about
Math , Science , and Biology and christianity is obviously optional
subject

b) Also Historic Accounts of what happened in WW2 is debatable
and there is no harm unless there is no special emphasis on
Just the Jewish suffering , remember Millions Christians, Muslims
Hindus etc Japanese etc died as well.

c) As for other items sports, other items well I think there is no
harm with sports for Youth girl/boys

I went to History classes in University , and ppl there openly bashed Islamic Civilization
routinely the problem is books , written by Christian Authors which are extremely biased - and obviously Crusaders are openly viewed positively.

Again it goes to show importance of History and Historians , and why its important for Muslim civilizations to also pay attention to their historic facts , because alot of our history is now adays hijacked by historians form other side... Its no wonder we are told Muslims have no heros or Leaders and we are the most currupt

But it was not like this in past we also had a rich economy history being super power of world
 
- and obviously Crusaders are openly viewed positively.

:blink: Was always taught that the crusades were a bloody disaster that cased almost as much damage to Christians as they did to Muslims.

The crusaders inflicted a horrible and savage sacking on Constantinople for three days, during which many ancient and medieval Roman and Greek works were either stolen or destroyed. The magnificent Library of Constantinople was destroyed. Despite their oaths and the threat of excommunication, the Crusaders ruthlessly and systematically violated the city's holy sanctuaries, destroying, defiling, or stealing all they could lay hands on; nothing was spared

Fourth Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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