Resolution comes down hard on US

[CardSharp]

Hmmm...there's "losing a war" like Vietnam where we've beome their #1 trading partner. Or "losing a war" like the invasion of Iraq where we've eliminated the baath party, killed Saddam Hussein, removed all vestige of WMD for the foreseeable future, halted all irridentist ambitions and established a fledgling democracy.

That's a helluva a positive spin. I salute you for your unwavering optimism.

 

[T-Rex]

"Most probably you're a teen with Mafia connection who just cannot wait to show his assertiveness."

Most probably you've very limited research skills. I've over 4000 posts here and am vetted and recognized as a military professional both here and elsewhere.

Avail yourself of that history here and then decide whether I'm still a teen with a Sicilian lineage or otherwise. It would, btw, be only a small portion of my story but is sufficient for your purposes.

Try to avoid needlessly crude remarks. You really don't wish the admiration of the only audience approving of such. The U.S. Army has a deep respect for the PAVN and its predecessor, the NVA. That was earned on the battlefield. I suspect they've a similar respect for our troops and battle skills. Combat wasn't easy and I've serious doubts you'd have the most remote clue about its actual nature.

Most of what I've read on this thread is truly ignorant...of Pakistan's own history even. Poor wmdisinfo hasn't a clue the U.S. embassy in Islamabad was burned in 1979.

He's likely the teenager to whom you refer.

You're a self proclaimed champion, that's what you are!

 

[iPhone]

"Most probably you're a teen with Mafia connection who just cannot wait to show his assertiveness."

Most probably you've very limited research skills. I've over 4000 posts here and am vetted and recognized as a military professional both here and elsewhere.
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sorry, but after describing victory as good trade 60 years later...... you don't have any credibility and professionalism. You're just here for point scoring and taking cheap shots.

 

[hembo]

there were 12 points that were given....four of them are following:

1) if drones happen again,NATO supply will be blocked
2) policy and realtions towards US will be reviewed thoroghly
3) policy to and the part in the WoT will be reviewed
4) if uni lateral strikes ever happen again,then action will be taken by the authorities promptly.

My Pakistani friends, please pardon me as I'll be a little "at your face" with my comments. You may also argue that it is none of my business (which is true btw), I'll send my opinion across anyway as I'm part of this forum.

If GOP even contemplate something like that, they will be striking their own foot with own axe (Apne Pao pe Kulhari marna)..

US has already indicated/ demonstrated in no subtle way that if required, they can establish supply route through central asia, or even air lifting if required. But if Pakistani establishment tries to turn the heat too much against uncle sam, they will not hesitate for a for long to expand the WoT to Pakistan in a more direct way. They certainly have demonstrated their ability squarly recently. All these talks of shooting down drones etc., all intelligent people knows, are just hogwash..

Unless, GOP has a secret understanding with USA to release such histrionics for local public consumption, this will be a very very bad idea for Pakistan.

As I said, though it is none of my business (as many will subsequently shout), just putting my two cents up anyway.

 

[Rank]

Love the Statement of COAS

"Shooting down the drones is no problem for us. We will do it. But will the government and the people of Pakistan "own" this act? Is everybody ready to bear the aftermath of shooting down drones? You all just sit and talk without realising the consequences of such actions. It is really no trouble for us to shoot down a drone. But after that will the government and people be on our side?" (applied on any kind of attack either from helicopter or fighters)

It is ironic but i am not too confident that the people of this country can take a stand and support Army. They are too busy in English/Indian movies, fashion, mobiles; and not to forget the drawing room politics where they just sit, talk and criticize Pakistan Army.

 

[AAtish]

"Now shut up or make some sense!!"

My reputation here will comfortably survive your infeebled and unjustified arrogance.

I guess now that Iraqi use of chemical weapons is disputed by you?

Kurds Mark Iraqi Gas Attack-BBC March 16, 2003

Remember what I said-

"...removed all vestige of WMD for the foreseeable future..."

Is your grasp of english so poor that you can't perceive the salient difference? The Iraqi military used chemical weapons. Fact. They won't be for the foreseeable future. Fact. That pleases me greatly.

"Coupled with the fact America always invades on a 5:1 ratio with the assistance of NATO, your war record is pathetic at best..."

It's called "losing your way to the top". Pakistan should be so lucky to emulate our performance in combat. Your comments are the reflection of a rank amateur who's spent no time in the armed forces.

Professionals do not fight fairly. We are not seeking a duel of knights but, instead, wish to place our foot on an enemy's throat and gut them with cold steel.

Amazingly, you just took the last line of my post, this expresses that you were not confident enough to respond the rest of it... and then you started blabbering about irrelevant things..

Most probably you've very limited research skills. I've over 4000 posts here and am vetted and recognized as a military professional both here and elsewhere.

Avail yourself of that history here and then decide whether I'm still a teen with a Sicilian lineage or otherwise. It would, btw, be only a small portion of my story but is sufficient for your purposes.

Having more than 4000 posts or "claiming" that "others" consider you as "military professional" here and there wouldn't make you one when your posts prove otherwise..

As far as the link you provided about kurds.. thats known as "yellow journalism" and it was the media frenzy in 2003, just like you are suffering now.. here's a more recent link dated 2011.. Iraq WMD dossier claim denied

Besides, based on your pathetic logic, If we "foresee" US as a probable threat to global community, is it valid for us to destroy it??

At the end, i would like to fully support what T-rex said.. you sure are a teen.. not more than 16 or 17 years old.. and your "military professionalism" is based on computer games you play..

 

[AAtish]

My Pakistani friends, please pardon me as I'll be a little "at your face" with my comments. You may also argue that it is none of my business (which is true btw), I'll send my opinion across anyway as I'm part of this forum.

If GOP even contemplate something like that, they will be striking their own foot with own axe (Apne Pao pe Kulhari marna)..

US has already indicated/ demonstrated in no subtle way that if required, they can establish supply route through central asia, or even air lifting if required. But if Pakistani establishment tries to turn the heat too much against uncle sam, they will not hesitate for a for long to expand the WoT to Pakistan in a more direct way. They certainly have demonstrated their ability squarly recently. All these talks of shooting down drones etc., all intelligent people knows, are just hogwash..

Unless, GOP has a secret understanding with USA to release such histrionics for local public consumption, this will be a very very bad idea for Pakistan.

As I said, though it is none of my business (as many will subsequently shout), just putting my two cents up anyway.

First of all, you're pardoned for whatever you said..

Secondly, PA has done the right thing to seek acceptance from the Nation, giving them option for selection, as far as the nation is concerned, believe me, they'll "own" everything that comes IF its war for "Honor of the country".. and that has been proven many times..

Now, We DO NOT fear US or death but, it is a fact that we might not make it, our politicians will stab us in the back as always..

These are just my two cents too..

 

[AAtish]

Love the Statement of COAS

"Shooting down the drones is no problem for us. We will do it. But will the government and the people of Pakistan "own" this act? Is everybody ready to bear the aftermath of shooting down drones? You all just sit and talk without realising the consequences of such actions. It is really no trouble for us to shoot down a drone. But after that will the government and people be on our side?" (applied on any kind of attack either from helicopter or fighters)

It is ironic but i am not too confident that the people of this country can take a stand and support Army. They are too busy in English/Indian movies, fashion, mobiles; and not to forget the drawing room politics where they just sit, talk and criticize Pakistan Army.

As i said before many times in different threads, for the first time PA is putting the ball in "democratic government's" court.. This time PA is not going to take the blame, every one wants "democracy"? then have it.. Decide now!!!

 

[Jango]

My Pakistani friends, please pardon me as I'll be a little "at your face" with my comments. You may also argue that it is none of my business (which is true btw), I'll send my opinion across anyway as I'm part of this forum.

If GOP even contemplate something like that, they will be striking their own foot with own axe (Apne Pao pe Kulhari marna)..

US has already indicated/ demonstrated in no subtle way that if required, they can establish supply route through central asia, or even air lifting if required. But if Pakistani establishment tries to turn the heat too much against uncle sam, they will not hesitate for a for long to expand the WoT to Pakistan in a more direct way. They certainly have demonstrated their ability squarly recently. All these talks of shooting down drones etc., all intelligent people knows, are just hogwash..

Unless, GOP has a secret understanding with USA to release such histrionics for local public consumption, this will be a very very bad idea for Pakistan.

As I said, though it is none of my business (as many will subsequently shout), just putting my two cents up anyway.

do you know the difference between costs for transporting supplies from pakistan and CAS.???....its HUGE!!!....70 % of NATO supplies and 40% fuel goes through pakistan....you cant just say...okay ....today pakistan has blocked the routes...tomoroow we will ship them through CAS...it takes weeks!!

and airlifting is certainly not an option.....

although...shooting down the drone is also no option...the most we can do is to confront them and escort them to afghanistan border!

 

[Tang0]

"Absolutely, America has a history of losing wars and creating unstable regions. Its about time the international community cracked down on these terrorists."

Hmmm...there's "losing a war" like Vietnam where we've beome their #1 trading partner. Or "losing a war" like the invasion of Iraq where we've eliminated the baath party, killed Saddam Hussein, removed all vestige of WMD for the foreseeable future, halted all irridentist ambitions and established a fledgling democracy.

Then there's "losing a war" like 1971.

+1 for Sophistry. Classic post-operational talk from the S-2 shop. "We didn't say the ambush was here...We indicated that enemy personnel were likely in the area...." "They were 50 miles away!!" "...Perhaps we disagree about the definition of "Area"".

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Do Pakistanis really not know they burnt the American embassy in 1979 ?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

hmm well i wouldn't support Pakistanis against an American usually but the truth has to be told about vietnam and iraq . Both those wars were disasters .

Us lost vietnam and Iraq war should never have happened so the question of winning or losing does not arise.

 

[hembo]

do you know the difference between costs for transporting supplies from pakistan and CAS.???....its HUGE!!!....70 % of NATO supplies and 40% fuel goes through pakistan....you cant just say...okay ....today pakistan has blocked the routes...tomoroow we will ship them through CAS...it takes weeks!!

and airlifting is certainly not an option.....

although...shooting down the drone is also no option...the most we can do is to confront them and escort them to afghanistan border!

I get that the cost implecation will be huge. But if they are made desperate, I'm sure they will be able to bear that kind of cost. Also air-lifting wiyh cargo flights from one of their Saudi base can not be ruled out.

Although I agree and foresee that nothing of that sort will occur. Neither any drones will be shot down, nor NATO supply route will be blocked and neither US will try to expand WoT to Pakistan in a direct way. US will try everything to maintain status quo and GOP will eventually oblige after these type of drama for local people's consumption.

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Edit: This article from The News is also interesting in this respect.

China may not veto US move for action inside Pakistan

 

[Madmen]

Do Pakistanis really not know they burnt the American embassy in 1979 ?

I wasn't aware of this incident.

 

[Chogy]

Do Pakistanis really not know they burnt the American embassy in 1979 ?

And killed a U.S. Marine embassy guard, Steve Crowley.

How often does someone here say "You don't live here, don't comment on it." And yet certain episodes that are important in a national relationship are glossed over, forgotten, put aside.