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Russia Signs Landmark Military Cooperation Agreement With Pakistan

lool i dont think India can block any Russian arms deals anymore. If Russia think selling them to Pakistan will be in its interests, then believe me they will do it. Russia though a dminished power, is still a power to be reckoned with, So a weaker country like India telling who Russia should sell its weapons to is quite funny.lool Morever, India is increasingly moving closer/buying weapons systems from the U.S/west/Israel than from Russia, and this will only increase with time. This i think is something, Moscow has noticed, and of course they will sell/provide weapons to any country who can buy, unless India bribes Russia with huge weapons purchased like it has been doing in the past decades, however i dont see that happening, since India now has better access to western/U.S/israeli weapons/arms which they know are better than Russian ones. So obviously India will choose from the best, thereby giving Russia more reason to sell to whom it wants.:bunny:

Lol :lol:
You have no idea about influence of Indians among Russian inner circle when it comes to arms deal.
 
Say bye, bye to America !!!

This is one excellent news for Russia-Pakistan ties.
It is not bye bye to US for Pakistan is tied up in much stronger shackles than you might imagine, mainly because of IMF, world bank, and most importantly the haramazadey politicians. However, it is a very small, very late, but a right step in the right direction. Due to the geography, Pakistan should have tried to establish cordial relations with the former USSR right from 1947. It will take decades if not centuries for Pakistan - Russian relationships to establish, but in the lives of the nations, decades mean nothing.
 

Putin Woos Pakistan as Cold War Friend India Buys U.S. Arms


By Natalie Obiko Pearson and N.C Bipindra Nov 24, 2014 9:03 AM GMT+0500
Russian President Vladimir Putin is seeking to build military ties with Pakistan as India buys more weapons from the U.S., changing an approach toward the nuclear-powered neighbors that has endured since the Cold War.

Sergei Shoigu, making the first visit by a Russian defense minister to Pakistan since the Soviet Union’s collapse, last week signed a “milestone” military cooperation agreement. The world community “wants to do business with Pakistan now,” Shoigu said, according to a Pakistan government statement.

The move comes as Putin seeks to expand relations with Asia in the face of growing isolation from the U.S. and its allies over his support for separatist rebels in Ukraine. The U.S. overtook Russia as India’s biggest weapons supplier in recent years, prompting leaders in Moscow to reassess their strategy toward South Asia.

“We’re seeing a new Russia,” C. Uday Bhaskar, director of the Delhi-based Society for Policy Studies. “With India now widening its search for defense supplies to the U.S. and Israel, Russia too wants to expand the market for its equipment. Both Russia and India are reviewing their policies.”

Putin plans to visit India next month to meet with Modi as Russia seeks to counter sanctions from the U.S. and others. Russia this month announced plans to build a second gas pipeline to China, an ally of Pakistan, in a move that would cement Putin’s policy of tilting energy exports toward Asia.

“China and Russia are also allying themselves, so it’s also one factor why Russia is looking toward Pakistan more cooperatively,” retired Lieutenant General Talat Masood, a former chairman of Pakistan Ordnance Factories, said by phone from Islamabad. “It’s important to be an ally of an ally.”
Russia’s gross domestic product will contract by 1.7 percent next year after stalling in 2014, with inflation rising to 8.4 percent from 7.6 percent, IHS Inc. forecasts. The ruble has fallen about 28 percent against the U.S. dollar this year, the worst performance among 24 emerging market currencies tracked by Bloomberg.

Russia and the Soviet Union have been India’s biggest weapons suppliers, accounting for about 70 percent of its arms imports since 1950, according to data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Pakistan, by contrast, has received only 2 percent of its weapons from Russia and the Soviet Union in that time, with the majority provided by the U.S. and China, the data show.

‘Critical Juncture’
Russia and Pakistan plan to increase port calls of warships, cooperate in fighting terrorism and help stabilize Afghanistan, Russian state news service Tass reported. Shoigu also met Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who said steps were needed to boost the $542 million of bilateral trade between the two nations, according to the state-run Pakistan Broadcasting Corp.

“Shoigu’s visit has come at a very critical juncture when U.S.-led NATO forces are drawing down from Afghanistan by the end of 2014,” Pakistan’s government said in a statement. “Apart from promoting bilateral defense relations, the visit will enable both countries to join hands in bringing peace and stability in the region.”

It’s important for countries to balance ties between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since they were split after British rule ended in 1947. U.S. President Barack Obama called Pakistani leader Sharif last week, shortly after accepting an invitation from Modi to attend India’s Republic Day parade on Jan. 26.

U.S. Weapons
The U.S. surpassed Russia as India’s top supplier of defense equipment in the three years to March, according to figures submitted to parliament in August. They were followed by France and Israel.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking to modernize India’s armed forces and shift toward more domestic production to reduce reliance on imports.

Two days ago, India approved a 158 billion-rupee ($2.5 billion) purchase of artillery, the first acquisition of large-caliber guns since the 1980s. If a foreign manufacturer wins the tender, the first 100 pieces will be imported and the remaining 714 will be made in India through technology transfer.

Alexander Kadakin, Russia’s ambassador in New Delhi, told the Press Trust of India last month that “there is zero technology coming from the U.S. to India,” whereas Russia is building a nuclear power plant and fighter jets with India.

He has also questioned India’s fairness in awarding defense contracts, telling the Hindustan Times last year “we know what gimmicks are used to manipulate deals.” He said that Russia has always stood by India and losing its position as the country’s top weapons supplier “causes damage to our reputation.”

Kadakin earlier this year dismissed concerns that Russia was changing its policy toward India in discussing the sale of Mi-35 defense helicopters to Pakistan. “Nothing will be done that will be detrimental to the deep relationship with India,” Press Trust of India quoted Kadakin as saying.

To contact the reporters on this story: Natalie Obiko Pearson in New Delhi at npearson7@bloomberg.net; N.C Bipindra in New Delhi at nbipindra@bloomberg.net



 
this co-operation between PK and Russia will go so far as PK can afford it....no FMS here. it is the 1st step in a long journey....
 
Urdu newspaper were reporting it that mi28 will be in future as khawaja asif said

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Pakistan’s Russian arms wish list will be long. However, he said there is the strong possibility the helicopter mentioned as being under discussion is not the Mi-35 Hind, but the Mi-28 Havoc.
“I have the feeling they are talking about Mi-28, which [former Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq] Kiyani discussed with the Russians,” he said.
Analysts Welcome Russian Decision on Arms Sales To Pakistan | Defense News | defensenews.com

Russia may supply ‘night hunter’ to Pakistan
Chemezov points out negotiation on Mi-35 helicopters

MOSCOW – Russia has lifted an embargo on sales of weapons and military hardware to Pakistan and is planning to supply Islamabad with attack helicopters, said Sergei Chemezov, the chief executive officer of the Rostec, the state defence corporation of the country.

“Such a decision was made. We are negotiating the sales of Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan,” Chemezov said on Monday. A source with the Foreign Affairs Ministry in Islamabad told RIA Novosti news service that there had never been an embargo on Russian sales to Pakistan in the first place.

It was rather that cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow was limited due to Russia’s intensive trade with India. Russia has been supplying its Mi-8 helicopters to Iran, among others. In 2012, the two countries struck a deal worth $4.3 billion for the export modification of Russia's nigh-time strike chopper Mig-28N, dubbed night hunter and for Mi-35 attack helicopters, a total of 40 aircraft.
Russia may supply ‘night hunter’ to Pakistan
Mi-28N + Mi35 to IRAN (not Pakistan)

Russia lifts embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan
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MOSCOW, June 02. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia has lifted an embargo from supplies of weapons and military hardware to Pakistan and is negotiating the delivery of several helicopter gunships Mil Mi-25 to the country, head of Russian state-run technologies corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov said on Monday.
“Such a decision has been taken and we are negotiating the delivery of helicopters,” he said, specifying that the subject of negotiations were Russian Mi-35 Hind attack helicopters.
A military diplomatic source earlier reported about Russia’s decision to lift an arms supply embargo on Pakistan. The source also said that Pakistan was interested in buying Russian Mi-26 Halo heavy transport helicopters.
TASS: World - Russia lifts embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan
Mi-26 is a very big utility helicopter (C-130 sized cargo), seen below in company of Mi-17, Mi-24 and Mi-28

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Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Pakistan’s Russian arms wish list will be long. However, he said there is the strong possibility the helicopter mentioned as being under discussion is not the Mi-35 Hind, but the Mi-28 Havoc.

“I have the feeling they are talking about Mi-28, which [former Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq] Kiyani discussed with the Russians,” he said
Analysts Welcome Russian Decision on Arms Sales To Pakistan | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
Yes, that is a source that I myself provided.... in post 113. Please read carefully what it says.

Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said Pakistan’s Russian arms wish list will be long. However, he said there is the strong possibility the helicopter mentioned as being under discussion is not the Mi-35 Hind, but the Mi-28 Havoc.

I have the feeling they are talking about Mi-28, which [former Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq] Kiyani discussed with the Russians,” he said
Analysts Welcome Russian Decision on Arms Sales To Pakistan | Defense News | defensenews.com

I.e. speculation.

Whereas the Mi35 deal is solid, see the above TASS article that quotes the head of Russian state-run technologies corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov .

The Pakistan Military Consortium (pakdef.org) is a forum, just like this one we are on.
 
Quite literally a rotary wing equivalent of the C-130!

Its a beauty init ? :)

I wonder why the Russians went for larger and larger helicopters for transportation purposes whereas the Americans went for those vertical lift turb-prop like the V22 Osprey ! :unsure:

Or are they both for different purposes ? :undecided:
 
Its a beauty init ? :)

I wonder why the Russians went for larger and larger helicopters for transportation purposes whereas the Americans went for those vertical lift turb-prop like the V22 Osprey ! :unsure:

Or are they both for different purposes ? :undecided:
Different requirements!

V22 and Mi26 are generations apart.

Mi26 should be seen in the context also of Russia itself: moving stuff around in regions such as Siberia. The primary purpose was to move military equipment like 13 metric ton (29,000 lb) amphibious armored personnel carriers, and mobile ballistic missiles, to remote locations after delivery by military transport planes such as the AN-22 or IL-76. The first Mi-26 flew on 14 December 1977. The first production aircraft was rolled out on 4 October 1980. Mi-26 was in Soviet military and commercial service by 1985.

V22 is a specific USMC replacement design (v. CH46). The V-22 originated from the USDoD Joint-service Vertical take-off/landing Experimental (JVX) aircraft program started in 1981. The V-22 first flew in 1989. The USMC began crew training for the Osprey in 2000, and fielded it in 2007; it is supplementing and will eventually replace their Boeing Vertol CH-46 Sea Knights.

Shall we say strategic v tactical transport? Or tactical v. battlefield transport?

Boeing did look at bigger sh.t than CH-47
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So did SIkorsky

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