I would said it is the otherwise. I would say Prigozhin is the one that had been patient
First of all, you need to go back to when is the last time Russian Military have made progress in Ukraine? Well, certainly not Bakhmut, it was these Wagner, and going back to last July, it was Kadyrov who took Severodonetsk, then it was the Wagner who took Lysychansk, it was the Chechen who took Mariupol 2 months prior to Sievierodonetsk. The last time Russian military have any success is back in March 2022, when they took Kherson City, which since been reversed.
Make no mistake, Russian military is incompetent, that's the issue, and the only progress in this war were made with these fringe group and what is the first thing Russian military did? They try to absorb these fringe group into their rank. And you expect Prigozhin not to be pissed?
The problem is, before today (well, yesterday), you can say Prigozhin is venting his frustration on MOD or Shoigu or whoever, but not Putin (Well, he kinded of hinted it by blaming grandpa the last time, but let's say it wasn't) But this time he go after the reason why Russian troop is in Ukraine, that is a vent directed to the establishment. And who is in charge of the establishment? Was it Shoigu or Putin?
He didn't want Putin attention, he wanted Putin head, or at least his job, or at the very least Putin losing his job. Otherwise he would not go against the establish by doubting the official stance on the war. That's a big NO in Russia.
Again, as my reply to the other guy here (forgot his name) if this is what the intention, I would have done it on the down low. This is as high profile as it comes, in fact, I can't think of a way Prigozhin can kick this off any higher profile than this. I mean this is not a show clause, because Shoigu is there to try to get them and Putin directed FSB to prosecute Prigozhin.
This is not something like "oh I let you go to jail for a few year and let you come back) I don't think there are ways any party can go back, That's just impossible, either that, or Russia want to trick the world into letting people know THEY ARE NOT INCHARGE. Which is what this is, this is a shit show, and nobody in the right mind would want this no matter how much they want to change the military command, replacing Shoigu or Gerasimov or whoever, you would just go relief these people if you are Putin, I mean, it's not like they had not change anyone from the military command. Then why preach into the world and make it as high profile as possible and make you look like an idiot when you can just replace Shoigu or whoever under the table?
That just didn't make any sense.
First of all, I am not talking about hiring blackwater in peacetime either. As I said, they hire a driver in Iraq for 40 grand for 6 months, a normal E-2 (the normal rank for a driver) who did the same job in Iraq were paid $2400 a month, And they are virtually the same experience, I mean you got out as an E-2 and get hired by Blackwater to drive a truck almost immediatrely, they save a plane ticlet that way.
As I said, you don't pay merc for this type of thing, certainly not a formational combat. You hire them to guard the road, or run truck up and down some MSR, that's okay, you get into the thick of combat and you can't get them out anytime you want, and when you were there, you got paid, doing virtually the same thing people are being paid 5 to 7 times less to do. So no, it would not be a good deal to have merc do the same job you do when you can pay 5 or 7 time less for people to do the same thing. those are merc, not super soldier...
And if you have to resort to using Merc to prop up your rank, then you would already have a personnel issue, you can't really just prop up your rank using merc.
Why this is the worst possible move if Ukraine push now? If anything, If I were the Ukrainian, I would wait for another 1 or 2 days to see if this is a show and I will push everything I go into the line. This is a distraction for the Russian, you don't really know who is in charge, If I were one of these Russian soldiers and I have heard stuff like that, I would think can I trust the Wagner dude next to me if I were in a foxhole with him?
That's what prey on people's mind, you can't expect Russian soldier from the frontline would say "sod it, it's too far from me, war continue as usual" this is not how war being fought, you need to think of how this is going to cloud the command element, where the order is going to issue, who am I taking order from. It's not going to be business as usual until this resolved. And everyday they don't it send a conflicted signal to the people who is in the frontline.
Are you sure about that? if this is like that then what make Prigozhin went over the line?
This does not happen just today when he got his lid blown off, he won't do this if this is just one thing and one day. This is a lot of things put together and a long time coming. If this affect Prigozhin this way, you think the lower echelon would be shield from any side effect??
LOL, I love how you think "meh, this is not a big deal and it would be business as usual" Again, if this is not a big deal, it wouldn't blown out of proportion like this to begin with.....
