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India’s army chief General Vijay Kumar Singh said in March that the Indian army had been rendered inefficient, slamming the defense ministry for corruption, which can help Russia get its foot in the door of the secluded Indian anti-missile market.

The recent letter by Gen. VK Singh to the Indian Prime Minister, leaked by Daily News&Analysis, didn’t focus on the Indian anti-missile defenses alone. The army chief criticized most of India’s armed forces for their lack of fighting capacity and stigmatized the country’s military procurement system as highly corrupt.

According to General Singh, most of the Indian armed forces are underequipped with cutting-edge weapons and ammo. The air defense, with 97% of its hardware being obsolete, has revealed the biggest holes.

Russia dominates Indian military imports, supplying armored vehicles, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, multi-purpose fighters and helicopters. For more than four decades, India has been leading the pack of Soviet and Russian weapon buyers.

Still, Russian anti-aircraft manufacturers haven’t been able to tap into any major Indian air defense deals for several years now, being figuratively ‘locked out’ of the Indian medium and long range air defense market.

“Russia has offered India a number of modern anti-aircraft systems,”Said Aminov, editor-in-chief with the VestnikPVO military news site, told The Voice of Russia. “It was actively offering India its S-300 and the “Buk” missile system, also known as Gang. But India showed no interest in them. As a result, its air defense is currently outfitted with the “not so cutting-edge” 2K22 “Tunguska” system, as well as with “Shtil” and “Shtil-1” naval anti-missile systems, supplied by Russia since the Soviet collapse,” the military maven said.

The reason the Indians are shunning Russian modern air defense hardware, says Said Aminov, lies in Israel’s influence and in India’s reliance on its own powers. “Israel has already supplied them with its “Spyder” and “Barak” systems. The Israelis have also talked the Indian military into developing a joint “Barak-8” missile system, which covers a range of up to 85 km. Moreover, India is now developing its own medium-range “Akash” anti-missile complex, based on the 1960s “Kvadrat” of the Soviet origin. But the system has been under development way too long and already became morally obsolete.”

Experts believe that modern India possesses no air defense capable of protecting it from Pakistani (or Chinese) medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBM). It’s striving to build an interceptor missile based on its own research, which will take them a while. The Israeli “Arrow” system isn’t likely to secure the Indian skies either, since it was built with a considerable help from the US, which doesn’t tolerate such military secrets being passed on to non-satellite states. In 2002, America has already blocked a similar deal, which left India with nothing but a “Green Pine” radar complex instead of the whole “Arrow.”

The Pakistani missile threat is meanwhile too high for India to ignore. That’s why India has no other alternative today than the Russian Antei-2500 or S-300VMD, the export variant of the S-300V system.

Taking into account India’s course towards localization of foreign military research, it may be interested in diversifying its air defense with imported Russian systems (the S-300VMD, for one) and a joint anti-missile system deal, which it could then export to third countries.

The Indian Defense Ministry scandal is only gaining pace but it has not yet affected the Russian military industry. With the right approach, Russian weapon-makers could get a firm foothold in the Indian market. The only question is whether they are ready for a long and hard talk.
 
Moreover, India is now developing its own medium-range “Akash” anti-missile complex, based on the 1960s “Kvadrat” of the Soviet origin. But the system has been under development way too long and already became morally obsolete.”
Someone tell this man That Akash is ready and more than 5.1 billion$ worth of orders have been placed and may be even more. Secondly "Kvadrat" came in the year 1970. Lastly its only based on that missile, an interceptor has alot of things like like guidance system and radars, if you change them the whole SAM is different. IA would have gone for a foreign option, especially Israeli option if the Akash SAM wasn't good, but IA liked the system. Now new Akash mk2 is coming which will have higher speed, better interception rate and 10km higher range.


India is choosing Israeli systems because they are the best. Why do you think US sponsors Israeli radar and missile systems ?? Its because this way they will get the best product and they also get to hold the right for their sales. India is also now opting the US model, we pay and they develop (of-course just like US we also contribute 30-40% in the development).

India is not gonna buy Russian SAM especially since Israel is offering every system they make. In-fact India was the first country to whom Iron Dome and David's Sling was offered by Israel even before the systems were fully developed.
 
wtf man kaha se aa jate hain yeh writersss? behanchoodd na akal na shakal writer ban jaate hain. every army has problems.

post the link please???
 
India is choosing Israeli systems because they are the best. Why do you think US sponsors Israeli radar and missile systems ?? Its because this way they will get the best product and they also get to hold the right for their sales. India is also now opting the US model, we pay and they develop (of-course just like US we also contribute 30-40% in the development).

India is not gonna buy Russian SAM especially since Israel is offering every system they make. In-fact India was the first country to whom Iron Dome and David's Sling was offered by Israel even before the systems were fully developed.

Current Indian air defence systems have a maximum range of 30-50km. In other words India dont have any air defence whatsoever. Any modern fighter aircraft will destroy your SAM sites from distance of 60-70km. Well you can continue buying Israeli sytems and moving this way but i must say your air defence strategy looks quite weird :)
 
It could have been reasonable to acquire IF we were not pursuing our own BMDs. But with Pradyumna BMD system already 95% complete, we politely refuse external procurements. :D

Current Indian air defence systems have a maximum range of 30-50km. In other words India dont have any air defence whatsoever. Any modern fighter aircraft will destroy your SAM sites from distance of 60-70km. Well you can continue buying Israeli sytems and moving this way but i must say your air defence strategy looks quite weird :)

Pradyumna BMD is developed to intercept nuclear missiles and will join us in a year.

Although your S-400s are excellent systems. Mind giving us some? :)
 
Current Indian air defence systems have a maximum range of 30-50km. In other words India dont have any air defence whatsoever. Any modern fighter aircraft will destroy your SAM sites from distance of 60-70km. Well you can continue buying Israeli sytems and moving this way but i must say your air defence strategy looks quite weird :)

dude have u heard of aad and pad???? :blink: that can be easily turned into air defence.
 
It could have been reasonable to acquire IF we were not pursuing our own BMDs. But with Pradyumna BMD system already 95% complete, we politely refuse external procurements. :D



Pradyumna BMD is developed to intercept nuclear missiles and will join us in a year.

Although your S-400s are excellent systems. Mind giving us some? :)
PAD is very short legged [capable for about 1000-1500km BM's I think] and slow and will pose no problem to the Chinese. It may work till about Karnataka for Pakistan but after that it's just hellfire.
Our real BMD will be AD-1 and AD-2

Well it looks like your military planners dont need it :)
Neither is it available.
 
PAD is very short legged [capable for about 1000-1500km BM's I think] and slow and will pose no problem to the Chinese. It may work till about Karnataka for Pakistan but after that it's just hellfire.
Our real BMD will be AD-1 and AD-2


Neither is it available.

ad 1 and ad 2 will be testfired before 2014. aad and pad were simply tech demonstrators of teminal phase bmd. we have mastered the technology. we build our own interceptors, radars and seekers and decoys. now we just have to work on missile that can reach there.
 

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