Saudi Arabia mulls women’s right to drive - but only for over-30s ‘without make-up’

[jamahir]

Syrian lion is living in the US himself what would he know?

we should let him confirm his location and his opinion on that... that will be fair... in fact, if location is usa then he is even braver.

king-mamba, i thought you respected muammar gaddafi... bashar al-assad is facing the same situation... nato proxy war on huge scale.

 

[KingMamba]

we should let him confirm his location and his opinion on that... that will be fair... in fact, if location is usa then he is even braver.

king-mamba, i thought you respected muammar gaddafi... bashar al-assad is facing the same situation... nato proxy war on huge scale.

Assad started it himself, if Nato did get involved it was after the syrians themselves rose up against him. They only took advantage of the situation Assad himself created through his dictatorship.

You are relatively new here but everyone whose been around a bit knows he is in the US.

 

[jamahir]

Assad started it himself, if Nato did get involved it was after the syrians themselves rose up against him. They only took advantage of the situation Assad himself created through his dictatorship.

i would have preferred the al-assad "dictatorship" in india... i am sure you too would prefer it to anything in pakistan since jinnah...

the "arab spring" is a conspiracy of nato in co-ordination with iran government and gcc kingdoms, along with the various criminal groups owned by nato... ikhwaan, taliban, jemah, shabaab, qaeda etc.

this is what iran government calls the nato "arab spring"... ( :: Islamic Awakening - Home page :: )... go through the articles... the articles are anti-gaddafi and pro-morsi... anti-socialism and pro-burqa... search this site with proper keywords...

believe me... we all should have "dictatorships" like those in syria, libya, venezuela, cuba, russia, north korea... not the anti-human systems like we have in south asia or usa or western europe.

there are real heroes like carlos ( the jackal ) who have sacrificed years for removing injustice... he is now in french jail... he would prefer to operate from the al-assad "dictatorship"...

pakistan's own revolutionary bhutto brothers... mir murtaza and shahnawaz... were guests of hafiz al-assad, father of bashar...

You are relatively new here but everyone whose been around a bit knows he is in the US.

he may be is usa currently... but he adores the present syria... that is all that matters...

 

[Pakistani E]

Women during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) used to roam around in camels without any hindrance, seems the Saudis have invented a new religion and passed it down as Islam. I'm just surprised the Self declared tekhedars of Islam in Pakistan seem to follow blindly whatever the Saudis do without even researching anything themselves. Why don't the Pakistani Mullahs raise a voice against this bi'dah that the Saudis have invented of women not being allowed to drive cars in Islam, I guess they are too busy burning innocent women and children to cleanse Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

Women during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) used to roam around in camels without any hindrance, seems the Saudis have invented a new religion and passed it down as Islam. I'm just surprised the Self declared tekhedars of Islam in Pakistan seem to follow blindly whatever the Saudis do without even researching anything themselves. Why don't the Pakistani Mullahs raise a voice against this bi'dah that the Saudis have invented of women not being allowed to drive cars in Islam, I guess they are too busy burning innocent women and children to cleanse Pakistan.

I am quite sure that the Saudis will have no problem with women roaming around on camels, just like they did in the times of Mohammad PBUH.

 

[jha]

I am quite sure that the Saudis will have no problem with women roaming around on camels, just like they did in the times of Mohammad PBUH.

Hehehe .. That was cruel...

OT seems like a false news.

 

[jamahir]

Why don't the Pakistani Mullahs raise a voice against this bi'dah that the Saudis have invented of women not being allowed to drive cars in Islam

sshhh... let us not crush the dreams of pdf's saudi members about their king abdullah being crowned "champion of ladies' rights"... so what if muammar gaddafi sent their king humiliated out of "arab league" meetings, twice...

 

[Pakistani E]

sshhh... let us not crush the dreams of pdf's saudi members about their king abdullah being crowned "champion of ladies' rights"... so what if muammar gaddafi sent their king humiliated out of "arab league" meetings, twice...

Seems the Saudi king can be bestowed with a new title, "the knight in shining armour".

 

[Arabian Legend]

@al-Hasani Could you please tell us the real story behind this news item? Thanks!

Hi there,

This news is not credible and has been denied by the Shoura council. The most funny is the make-up part.

Since this has been brought up I would like to take this opportunity to clarify the issue of women driving in Saudi Arabia. The first thing that people should know is that this isn't a religious issue one but social. This topic is very controversial inside the saudi society and still considered as a taboo among small number of people. There is no governmental/religious law banning it. The head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice along with The General Presidency of Scholarly Research and Ifta released a statement stating that Islamic law has nothing to do in this regard whatsoever.

The same ultraconservative people who opposed women education back in the 70s are the same people who oppose to women driving these days. Not the exact people of course but those who hold the same mentality. Very few though.

Interestingly to know that the figure of women opposing to this issue is not far from equal to those agreeing according to the most recent research conducted. This a battle between liberals and small minority of ultraconservatives who like to kept it traditional as they claim has led the government to keep silent. King Abdullah has asserted many times that the day of women to drive in the country shall see the light one day. The change will most likely be gradual. Very soon though. People outside of the country should also know that thousands upon thousands of women take the wheel everyday in many suburbs across the country. Youtube videos are available. Women driving among most people and tribes of Saudi Arabia is seen as a normal thing while in some cities where the like of Juhayman exist is seen as unusual.

Currently, the ministry of interior is working on creating a female traffic and patrol department. Also the ministry of transportation has implemented many projects and is working around the clock across the country to raise the quality of transportation, roads, parking, gas stations, car services, metros, buses, surveillance cameras...etc. The timeline for those projects to be done is by 2018. Not that far. I will wait for it.


Should you guys have any question feel free I will be around to answer them.

 

[gambit]

Hi there,

This news is not credible and has been denied by the Shoura council. The most funny is the make-up part.

Since this has been brought up I would like to take this opportunity to clarify the issue of women driving in Saudi Arabia. The first thing that people should know is that this isn't a religious issue one but social. This topic is very controversial inside the saudi society and still considered as a taboo among small number of people. There is no governmental/religious law banning it. The head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice along with The General Presidency of Scholarly Research and Ifta released a statement stating that Islamic law has nothing to do in this regard whatsoever.

The same ultraconservative people who opposed women education back in the 70s are the same people who oppose to women driving these days. Not the exact people of course but those who hold the same mentality. Very few though.

Interestingly to know that the figure of women opposing to this issue is not far from equal to those agreeing according to the most recent research conducted. This a battle between liberals and small minority of ultraconservatives who like to kept it traditional as they claim has led the government to keep silent. King Abdullah has asserted many times that the day of women to drive in the country shall see the light one day. The change will most likely be gradual. Very soon though. People outside of the country should also know that thousands upon thousands of women take the wheel everyday in many suburbs across the country. Youtube videos are available. Women driving among most people and tribes of Saudi Arabia is seen as a normal thing while in some cities where the like of Juhayman exist is seen as unusual.

Currently, the ministry of interior is working on creating a female traffic and patrol department. Also the ministry of transportation has implemented many projects and is working around the clock across the country to raise the quality of transportation, roads, parking, gas stations, car services, metros, buses, surveillance cameras...etc. The timeline for those projects to be done is by 2018. Not that far. I will wait for it.


Should you guys have any question feel free I will be around to answer them.

It may be a social issue, but the issue have a religious foundation and we know it is certainly not of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or Rastafarianism.

You said that there is no legal force behind this ban, then it begs the question of where the ban came from. When you have CPVPV 'policemen' going around harassing women for all sorts of 'sins' and the government does nothing to these thugs, you effectively have an unspoken ban.

As for how many women driving outside the cities, the Chinese have a saying: 'Heaven is high and the Emperor is far away.' Am sure you are smart enough to finger out what it means and how it is applicable to Saudi women who drives outside the reach of the CPVPV thugs.

And finally, if something like this article is published in the West, most would know it to be satire and joke about it, especially how women are bad drivers. But since this article is published ABOUT Saudi Arabia, people have no problems believing it from first glance. Call us 'Islamophobes' all you want, but slow down and think about why non-Muslims are so credulous about such articles.

 

[Arabian Legend]

It may be a social issue, but the issue have a religious foundation and we know it is certainly not of Christianity or Judaism or Buddhism or Rastafarianism.

You said that there is no legal force behind this ban, then it begs the question of where the ban came from. When you have CPVPV 'policemen' going around harassing women for all sorts of 'sins' and the government does nothing to these thugs, you effectively have an unspoken ban.

As for how many women driving outside the cities, the Chinese have a saying: 'Heaven is high and the Emperor is far away.' Am sure you are smart enough to finger out what it means and how it is applicable to Saudi women who drives outside the reach of the CPVPV thugs.

No sir, religion has nothing to do with banning women from driving at all. All the religious establishment including the CPVPV have stated that publicly many times. I urge you to keep religion aside. The CPVPV are not permitted to take any action in this regard at all for the fact that it doesn't have an authority over this issue. The head of the CPVPV has recently released a statement that women driving is not their business and banning it has no place in Islamic law.

Plus the CPVPV is in every corner of the country. I don't know what you are talking about. You are obviously ignorant about Saudi Arabia and its society so I suggest you learn more about it.

The issue is now in the hand of the Consultative Council to be officially approved. Its only a matter of time.

 

[Arabian Legend]

And finally, if something like this article is published in the West, most would know it to be satire and joke about it, especially how women are bad drivers. But since this article is published ABOUT Saudi Arabia, people have no problems believing it from first glance. Call us 'Islamophobes' all you want, but slow down and think about why non-Muslims are so credulous about such articles.

We in Saudi Arabia don't care about outsiders when it comes to our social issues. We don't interfere in other's social issues and we don't like others to pock a nose in ours. Very plain and simple.

 

[gambit]

No sir, religion has nothing to do with banning women from driving at all. All the religious establishment including the CPVPV have stated that publicly many times. I urge you to keep religion aside. The CPVPV are not permitted to take any action in this regard at all for the fact that it doesn't have an authority over this issue. The head of the CPVPV has recently released a statement that women driving is not their business and banning it has no place in Islamic law.

Plus the CPVPV is in every corner of the country. I don't know what you are talking about. You are obviously ignorant about Saudi Arabia and its society so I suggest you learn more about it.

The issue is now in the hand of the Consultative Council to be officially approved. Its only a matter of time.

Yeah...Sure...The CPVPV is completely neutral...

Video: British man beaten by 'religious police' in Saudi Arabia for using women-only queue - Telegraph

A British businessman living in Saudi Arabia was set upon and beaten up by members of the country’s religious police after using a women-only cash till with his wife at a local supermarket.

Please do not insult the intelligence of the (silent) readers.

A 'women-only' cash register ? Why women only ? In America, kids teases each other about little girls having 'cooties', something that little boys should avoid. Does women in Saudi Arabia have an adult equivalent of 'cooties' ? A 'women-only' cash register have only one base component -- religion. The separation of women from men in worship have only one base component -- religion. We observers do not care about interpretations so do not bother to trot out what happened a thousand yrs ago. We only care about today and it is religion -- specifically Islam -- that served as foundation for many of the laws governing men and women in Saudi Arabia today.

It is very tough today for interested observers to be completely ignorant about any country. Some things called the Internet and video cameras. Perhaps you have heard of them ? Further, I was in your country back in the 1980s when I was active duty USAF. The first thing they briefed us about Saudi Arabia is that your country is very religious. Not very anything political, although the King was brought up. Not much about Saudi Arabia's economy. And absolutely zilch was said about Saudi Arabia as a scientific contributor about anything relating to science and technology. But the first thing the Public Affairs lieutenant brought up was religion and that we should stay away from Saudi women. As if they have 'cooties'.

 

[Arabian Legend]

Yeah...Sure...The CPVPV is completely neutral...

Video: British man beaten by 'religious police' in Saudi Arabia for using women-only queue - Telegraph

Please do not insult the intelligence of the (silent) readers.

A 'women-only' cash register ? Why women only ? In America, kids teases each other about little girls having 'cooties', something that little boys should avoid. Does women in Saudi Arabia have an adult equivalent of 'cooties' ? A 'women-only' cash register have only one base component -- religion. The separation of women from men in worship have only one base component -- religion. We observers do not care about interpretations so do not bother to trot out what happened a thousand yrs ago. We only care about today and it is religion -- specifically Islam -- that served as foundation for many of the laws governing men and women in Saudi Arabia today.

It is very tough today for interested observers to be completely ignorant about any country. Some things called the Internet and video cameras. Perhaps you have heard of them ? Further, I was in your country back in the 1980s when I was active duty USAF. The first thing they briefed us about Saudi Arabia is that your country is very religious. Not very anything political, although the King was brought up. Not much about Saudi Arabia's economy. And absolutely zilch was said about Saudi Arabia as a scientific contributor about anything relating to science and technology. But the first thing the Public Affairs lieutenant brought up was religion and that we should stay away from Saudi women. As if they have 'cooties'.

Please don't hit right and left. This topic is about women driving issue in Saudi Arabia. But since you are left with not much to say you decided to divert the topic.

This incident where a member of the CPVPV acted outside his duty and was punished for it as per the law.

Why only women isn't your business, Saudi Arabia is a sovereign country with its own way of life, society norms, dress code..etc and has its own law. You are in no position to force your own version of morality, way of life on others. I hope you get that straight. When you are in a country, you should follow the rules of that country you are in so I don't see any problem with what the lieutenant said to you. If you care so much about women then I suggest that you look around you instead of shouting from miles away. I lived for fore years in the US from the east coast to the westside where I had the chance to meet many homeless women sleeping in the street begging for money, food etc.

 

[khujliwal]

Are you kidding me....without makeup is gonna scare everyone on the roads..more accidents.

brother, makeup will result in more accidents.