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By

Helena Malikyar.
Afghan political analyst and historian.

Julian Huxley once wrote that "a nation is a society united by a common error as to its origins and a common aversion to its neighbours".

If there is any truth to Huxley's remark, the recent bloody border clashes between the Afghan and Pakistani military forces illustrate the common aversion of the Afghans towards their antagonistic eastern neighbours, Pakistan.

The incident, which left three border guards and two children dead on the Afghan side of the Torkham crossing in eastern Afghanistan, stirred anger throughout the country.

Transcending internal differences, Afghans poured into streets in protest and some began marching towards Torkham to render support to the Afghan National Army. A video clip has gone viral on the social media, showing a group of men, claiming to belong to the Taliban forces, declaring war on Pakistan and urging others to join in defending Afghanistan's honour and territorial integrity.

Face-saving attempt

Many Afghan observers think that the incursion was a face-saving attempt by Islamabad to divert domestic attention from its recent setbacks, particularly the US drone attack that killed Taliban leader, Mulla Mansour, in Pakistani territory.

Other disconcerting events of late include the US shift of policy, indicating the end of favouritism to Pakistan, and the opening of Chabahar port, a collaboration of Iran, India and Afghanistan that could isolate Pakistan in regional trade activities.


The seemingly disarrayed, multi-ethnic Afghan nation came together and showed a common aversion to their aggressive neighbour. Yet others think that Pakistan was testing the waters and was trying to take advantage of what it perceived as a vulnerable moment in Afghanistan. A year that has been marked with the highest military and civilian casualty figures and increased political discord in Kabul would probably be an opportune time to settle the disputed border issue.

In either case, Pakistan's calculus proved wrong. The seemingly disarrayed, multi-ethnic Afghan nation came together and showed a common aversion to their aggressive neighbour.

Beyond a show of unity in the face of foreign aggression, however, the phenomenon signals a wider shift of dynamics in the two neighbours' historically thorny relationship.

The majority of Afghans believe that since the days of the Afghan resistance against the Soviet invasion in the 1980s, Pakistan has been playing a ruthless game of manipulation with both the Afghans and their largest benefactor, the US.

Indispensable ally

Since 2001, posing as an indispensable ally in the war against terrorism, Pakistan has been benefiting from a lavish US military and development aid, while continuing to provide a safe haven for the Taliban and the Haqqani network.

c075478e7ebc4233b60df64e10b5886f_18.jpg

[Al Jazeera]

The two groups have been responsible for tens of thousands of Afghan casualties and more than 3,500 US military and civilian fatalities.

In the political arena too, Pakistan had skillfully presented itself as the key to peace in Afghanistan and in the war against international terrorism, while threatening the Americans that turning away from Pakistan would result in "nuclear terrorism".

Some argue that Pakistan's interference in Afghan's internal affairs is driven by its insecurity about the Durand Line, the disputed border demarcation upon which the Torkham crossing sits. As soon as Kabul accepts it as the official dividing line, the argument goes, Pakistan will stop its meddling.

While there are ways to resolve the Durand issue through pragmatic and mutually beneficial formulas, Pakistan has been fixated on imposing recognition of the border by Afghanistan without making any concessions.

Pakistan's ambitions, however, are greater. Their doctrine of gaining "strategic depth" in Afghanistan, which is justified by their fear of an attack from India, is one of the reasons for Islamabad's relentless efforts to install a puppet government in Kabul.

The ISI intelligence agency's grossly misguided Taliban project eventually gave birth to various groups of Pakistani Taliban, the survival of al-Qaeda and the harbouring of various Central Asian and Chinese radical groups.

But Pakistan could not have become a godfather of sorts to most of the world's terrorist organisations had it not been for the puzzling acquiescence, over the past 15 years, of the United States.

Whether it was a case of prolonged underestimation, a strong and generous Pakistani lobby in Washington, or simply a chaotic AfPak strategy - or lack thereof - the US did not challenge Pakistan's behaviour in any serious and consistent manner.

But, finally this spring, American policy-makers felt the fatigue from Islamabad's double games. In March, the US Congress began to voice doubts about the continuation of the flow of US aid to Pakistan.


In May, Congress passed a bill imposing strict conditions on a $450m aid package to Pakistan and opposed the financing of eight F-16 jet fighters that would be granted to Pakistan through the Foreign Military Financing scheme.


Since 2002, the average annual US aid to Pakistan has been roughly $2bn. In 2010 alone, Pakistan received about $4.5bn in military and development aid from the US. Yet, public opinion polls in Pakistan show that the majority of Pakistanis view the US as an enemy.

The Afghan government's policy of genuinely trying to make peace with its neighbour and changing Pakistan's Taliban game was initiated at the beginning of 2015.

China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, and the US, the biggest donor of Pakistan, got on board, and the Quadrilateral Group - along with Afghanistan and Pakistan - launched a fresh round of peace efforts.

This, along with several regional economic cooperation initiatives involving Central, West and South Asian states provided Islamabad with the perfect opportunity to turn around and abandon its Taliban project.

But, Pakistan missed the chance and stubbornly stuck to its old Afghanistan policy, and the Taliban expanded and intensified its onslaught.


The Afghans' reaction to the recent border incident represents the culmination of over three decades of frustration with Pakistani malfeasance. They have fought the British and Soviet empires against all odds. If pressured and humiliated further, the Afghans might take on Pakistan.


Therefore, while the killing of the former Taliban leader, Mulla Mansour, the imposition of conditions on aid to Pakistan and the expansion of military role in Afghanistan are positive signals in the US policy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, staying the course will be the determining factor in changing Pakistan's behaviour.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...double-games-afghanistan-160619065803423.html

Pakistan needs to turn its ship around as it has entered dangerous waters. It's foreign policy - which is being run by generals who are clueless on diplomacy and foreign affairs - has resulted in it floundering and dragging Pakistan deeper into the rabbit hole. Pakistan's relations with Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, and Iran are going downhill due to its policies which are not only adversely affecting Pakistan's stability but the security of the subcontinent as a whole.
 
This article is right on the money!
By now everybody is aware of Pakistani forked tang. This Rogue State is now totally isolated and lost entirely the credibility with the civilized world. Thats why no more donations for Pakistan from USA, because the army generals and the secret service abusing the US donation for their own benefit and partially using for promotion of terror in the region.
 
Stopped reading at.....'one of the reasons for Islamabads relentless efforts to install a puppet government in kabul'

As opposed to the current puppet government installed in kabul who can't venture outside the city gates after 7pm and who ten minutes after the Yankees leave Afghanistan would fold like a pack cards.

Shit article....move on
 
This is precisely the reason why Americans have turned their backs on Pakistan.
 

By

Helena Malikyar.
Afghan political analyst and historian.

Julian Huxley once wrote that "a nation is a society united by a common error as to its origins and a common aversion to its neighbours".

If there is any truth to Huxley's remark, the recent bloody border clashes between the Afghan and Pakistani military forces illustrate the common aversion of the Afghans towards their antagonistic eastern neighbours, Pakistan.

The incident, which left three border guards and two children dead on the Afghan side of the Torkham crossing in eastern Afghanistan, stirred anger throughout the country.

Transcending internal differences, Afghans poured into streets in protest and some began marching towards Torkham to render support to the Afghan National Army. A video clip has gone viral on the social media, showing a group of men, claiming to belong to the Taliban forces, declaring war on Pakistan and urging others to join in defending Afghanistan's honour and territorial integrity.

Face-saving attempt

Many Afghan observers think that the incursion was a face-saving attempt by Islamabad to divert domestic attention from its recent setbacks, particularly the US drone attack that killed Taliban leader, Mulla Mansour, in Pakistani territory.

Other disconcerting events of late include the US shift of policy, indicating the end of favouritism to Pakistan, and the opening of Chabahar port, a collaboration of Iran, India and Afghanistan that could isolate Pakistan in regional trade activities.


The seemingly disarrayed, multi-ethnic Afghan nation came together and showed a common aversion to their aggressive neighbour. Yet others think that Pakistan was testing the waters and was trying to take advantage of what it perceived as a vulnerable moment in Afghanistan. A year that has been marked with the highest military and civilian casualty figures and increased political discord in Kabul would probably be an opportune time to settle the disputed border issue.

In either case, Pakistan's calculus proved wrong. The seemingly disarrayed, multi-ethnic Afghan nation came together and showed a common aversion to their aggressive neighbour.

Beyond a show of unity in the face of foreign aggression, however, the phenomenon signals a wider shift of dynamics in the two neighbours' historically thorny relationship.

The majority of Afghans believe that since the days of the Afghan resistance against the Soviet invasion in the 1980s, Pakistan has been playing a ruthless game of manipulation with both the Afghans and their largest benefactor, the US.

Indispensable ally

Since 2001, posing as an indispensable ally in the war against terrorism, Pakistan has been benefiting from a lavish US military and development aid, while continuing to provide a safe haven for the Taliban and the Haqqani network.

c075478e7ebc4233b60df64e10b5886f_18.jpg

[Al Jazeera]

The two groups have been responsible for tens of thousands of Afghan casualties and more than 3,500 US military and civilian fatalities.

In the political arena too, Pakistan had skillfully presented itself as the key to peace in Afghanistan and in the war against international terrorism, while threatening the Americans that turning away from Pakistan would result in "nuclear terrorism".

Some argue that Pakistan's interference in Afghan's internal affairs is driven by its insecurity about the Durand Line, the disputed border demarcation upon which the Torkham crossing sits. As soon as Kabul accepts it as the official dividing line, the argument goes, Pakistan will stop its meddling.

While there are ways to resolve the Durand issue through pragmatic and mutually beneficial formulas, Pakistan has been fixated on imposing recognition of the border by Afghanistan without making any concessions.

Pakistan's ambitions, however, are greater. Their doctrine of gaining "strategic depth" in Afghanistan, which is justified by their fear of an attack from India, is one of the reasons for Islamabad's relentless efforts to install a puppet government in Kabul.

The ISI intelligence agency's grossly misguided Taliban project eventually gave birth to various groups of Pakistani Taliban, the survival of al-Qaeda and the harbouring of various Central Asian and Chinese radical groups.

But Pakistan could not have become a godfather of sorts to most of the world's terrorist organisations had it not been for the puzzling acquiescence, over the past 15 years, of the United States.

Whether it was a case of prolonged underestimation, a strong and generous Pakistani lobby in Washington, or simply a chaotic AfPak strategy - or lack thereof - the US did not challenge Pakistan's behaviour in any serious and consistent manner.

But, finally this spring, American policy-makers felt the fatigue from Islamabad's double games. In March, the US Congress began to voice doubts about the continuation of the flow of US aid to Pakistan.


In May, Congress passed a bill imposing strict conditions on a $450m aid package to Pakistan and opposed the financing of eight F-16 jet fighters that would be granted to Pakistan through the Foreign Military Financing scheme.


Since 2002, the average annual US aid to Pakistan has been roughly $2bn. In 2010 alone, Pakistan received about $4.5bn in military and development aid from the US. Yet, public opinion polls in Pakistan show that the majority of Pakistanis view the US as an enemy.

The Afghan government's policy of genuinely trying to make peace with its neighbour and changing Pakistan's Taliban game was initiated at the beginning of 2015.

China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, and the US, the biggest donor of Pakistan, got on board, and the Quadrilateral Group - along with Afghanistan and Pakistan - launched a fresh round of peace efforts.

This, along with several regional economic cooperation initiatives involving Central, West and South Asian states provided Islamabad with the perfect opportunity to turn around and abandon its Taliban project.

But, Pakistan missed the chance and stubbornly stuck to its old Afghanistan policy, and the Taliban expanded and intensified its onslaught.


The Afghans' reaction to the recent border incident represents the culmination of over three decades of frustration with Pakistani malfeasance. They have fought the British and Soviet empires against all odds. If pressured and humiliated further, the Afghans might take on Pakistan.


Therefore, while the killing of the former Taliban leader, Mulla Mansour, the imposition of conditions on aid to Pakistan and the expansion of military role in Afghanistan are positive signals in the US policy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, staying the course will be the determining factor in changing Pakistan's behaviour.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...double-games-afghanistan-160619065803423.html

Pakistan needs to turn its ship around as it has entered dangerous waters. It's foreign policy - which is being run by generals who are clueless on diplomacy and foreign affairs - has resulted in it floundering and dragging Pakistan deeper into the rabbit hole. Pakistan's relations with Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, and Iran are going downhill due to its policies which are not only adversely affecting Pakistan's stability but the security of the subcontinent as a whole.
The spokesperson said senator john Mccain's in his recent visit to Pakistan along with some other senators and congressmen, acknowledged the remarkable achievements made by Pakistan in its counter-terrorism drive. They visited Miran Shah and observed the situation on ground themselves. Senator Mccain, on his return also wrote an article on his experience in Pakistan. The spokesperson said terrorism is more of a concern to Pakistan than its 'neighbor'. The arrest of the 'neighbor’s' active service officer, who publicly confessed his state's involvement in perpetrating and financing terrorists and subversive activities in Pakistan, surprisingly did not prompt any statement by the US. To refresh the mind of the US Dy. Spokesperson, the spokesperson also referred to the statement made by Mr. Chuck Hagel in February 2013 that Pakistan's 'neighbor' uses the soil of another 'neighbor' of Pakistan to finance instability in Pakistan. The spokesperson said General Mcchrystal's 2009 report had also mentioned the 'neighbor’s' activities from the territory of another of Pakistan's 'neighbors, 'and that they could be detrimental to stability in Pakistan and the region. He said the factors behind spread of terrorism in Pakistan and the colossal losses inflicted on Pakistan in terms of loss of over 60,000 innocent lives and billions of dollars loss to the economy are obvious now.
source: PTV

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/the-indo...ed-us-support-everytime.443607/#ixzz4GxOePIQO

Bakre ki amma.. etc .. etc..
more like gaye ki amma etc etc
 
Stopped reading at.....'one of the reasons for Islamabads relentless efforts to install a puppet government in kabul'

As opposed to the current puppet government installed in kabul who can't venture outside the city gates after 7pm and who ten minutes after the Yankees leave Afghanistan would fold like a pack cards.

Shit article....move on
Lol! You're funny! Truth and hard facts that don't suit your script will naturally piss you off and that's why you stopped reading!

Get out of your cocoon to see the world outside. There's plenty happening out there.
 
and two children dead on the Afghan sid
RIP poor kids.

Some argue that Pakistan's interference in Afghan's internal affairs is driven by its insecurity about the Durand Line, the disputed border demarcation upon which the Torkham crossing sits. As soon as Kabul accepts it as the official dividing line, the argument goes, Pakistan will stop its meddling.
I think ever since pakistan lost bangladesh they have been trying to covet territory elsewhere to make up for it.
Even terrorism in kashmir got serious traction post 1985. Pakistan is not simply after durand line, they know very well that international border cannot be changed, so why keep doing this ? simple creeping conquest using taliban.

Since 2002, the average annual US aid to Pakistan has been roughly $2bn. In 2010 alone, Pakistan received about $4.5bn in military and development aid from the US. Yet, public opinion polls in Pakistan show that the majority of Pakistanis view the US as an enemy.
Americans have willingly bankrolled taliban indirectly through pakistan. They also need to share the blame. There is no frigging way a insurgency can sustain without any funds. Even states in India find it hard to maintain police.
With virtually no economy in afghanistan the money can come in from only one place , the neighboring country.

@OrionHunter good share :tup:.
 
Just little off topic I have seen among many Muslim nationalities besides Pakistanis have condemning Isis and their atrocities on the other hand praise supporting syrian terrorist al nusra jf zinki terrorists al Qaeda labeling them as mujahideen freedom fighters. Check In. Syrian civil war thread in middle East section u will be amazed people are referring canibals terrorist as heroes. and Assad who is defending his country against foreign jihadis cancer people accuse him of murderer dictator Afghan .mujahideen are freedom fighters where as Pakistani Taliban are terrorist .These people don't realise that snake is.a snake it won't see the difference in attacking anyone after Afghanistan the same so called Afghan mujahideen Taliban have started attacking pakistan . And. Continues unless people stop supporting terrorist differencing good and bad terrorist . Terrorism won't stop
 
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Just little off topic I have seen among many Muslim nationalities have condemning Isis and their atrocities on the other hand praise supporting syrian terrorist al nusra jf zinki terrorists al Qaeda labeling them as mujahideen freedom fighters. Afghan .mujahideen are freedom fighters where as Pakistani Taliban are terrorist .These people don't realise that snake is.a snake it won't see the difference in attacking anyone after Afghanistan the same so called Afghan mujahideen Taliban have started attacking pakistan . And. Continues unless people stop supporting terrorist differencing good and bad terrorist . Terrorism won't stop
that is bcos ppl are not mature enuf. They are greedy & selfish for short term benefits. They dont understand that in longterm it will lead to disastrous consequences. They have to understand peace benefits everyone but violence puts all to fire.
 
Just little off topic I have seen among many Muslim nationalities have condemning Isis and their atrocities on the other hand praise supporting syrian terrorist al nusra jf zinki terrorists al Qaeda labeling them as mujahideen freedom fighters. Afghan .mujahideen are freedom fighters where as Pakistani Taliban are terrorist .These people don't realise that snake is.a snake it won't see the difference in attacking anyone after Afghanistan the same so called Afghan mujahideen Taliban have started attacking pakistan . And. Continues unless people stop supporting terrorist differencing good and bad terrorist . Terrorism won't stop

Hell No.

Folks in the neighborhood start doing that, their entire foriegn policy, strategy and their bloody "wajoods" (for the lack of a better word) is going to face what we know as "an existential crisis".

A day when when our neighbors can no longer hail Syed Saluhuddins and Burhan Wanis as "freedom fighters" ... and we quit commenting on their methods and tactics in Balochistan and Swat.

Can you trully imagine such a day?

That would the day they will have to abandon their Kashmir narrative or self implode and we, well take the pot off the stove and let matters take their own course, without meddling.

Honestly, I am a realist.. I don't see any such thing happening anytime soon.

They'll play their games, we'll play ours .. net result zilch ... a few thousand dead on either side passed off as acceptable casualties of war. It is what it is .. a fcking crying shame.
 
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Just little off topic I have seen among many Muslim nationalities besides Pakistanis have condemning Isis and their atrocities on the other hand praise supporting syrian terrorist al nusra jf zinki terrorists al Qaeda labeling them as mujahideen freedom fighters. Afghan .mujahideen are freedom fighters where as Pakistani Taliban are terrorist .These people don't realise that snake is.a snake it won't see the difference in attacking anyone after Afghanistan the same so called Afghan mujahideen Taliban have started attacking pakistan . And. Continues unless people stop supporting terrorist differencing good and bad terrorist . Terrorism won't stop

On the money!!!
 
Not a chance....Pakistan can never take off its hands out from Afghanistan....Double game, triple game, getting a bloody nose, no way letting off this shit hole.....
 

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