The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[TaiShang]

...and so it starts. Democracy is right around the corner.

Whatever you may like to call it. We call it "good governance" which has nothing to do with the public show displayed every four year in the US. Whatever happens in China, it happens according to the requirement of the time and the pace and stage of development. Expect tougher laws as China climbs the economic ladder.

Further accountability is only good for the nation. Imagine, if your government had such a concept, you would not be in the mess called the Middle East today. Bush did it, because he knew his back would be covered even his "mission accomplished" failed severely.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Further accountability is only good for the nation. Imagine, if your government had such a concept, you would not be in the mess called the Middle East today. Bush did it, because he knew his back would be covered even his "mission accomplished" failed severely.

You just have a differing view of what the mission was. If the mission was to take away Saddam's ability to keep his neighbors in constant fear by overrunning them with thousands of tanks and planes (and of course other bad stuff that he has used before)...well it was accomplished. Iraq used to be the 4th largest military in the world.

You think they are anywhere close to that now??? You think the US failed SEVERELY???? WTF??

Iraqi Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Iran–Iraq War ended in 1988 with Iraq fielding the world's fourth largest military, with 49 army divisions, 6 Republican Guard divisions, an estimated 513 combat aircraft in the Iraqi Air Force, and a small navy"

Find Iraq's position now on this or ANY list you can dig up
Most Powerful Military Ranking - Business Insider

 

[Azeri440]

east > west

yet, you live in west

 

[Keel]

Good for group travelling like orchestras, dancing troupe, sports teams
Not bad for business travel as wi-fi and net meeting can make the train compartment a much better and more comfortable multi-party workplace than several hours flight on the plane's tiny business class seats
Irreplaceable for transport of goods and commodities

Improving relationship between China and Russia and quality of lives of them have made a lot of people excessively jealous which can be understood from the posters with negative comments here above

 

[Götterdämmerung]

There s something that never changes and this is german workerlaws as well as the structure of the railways. German railways corporation id nationalized. DB. It is banned for foreign corporations to operate railways on german ground. This law is from Bismarck, survived WW I, WW II, the cold war and reunion. Nothing can shake this. A chinese train operated from chinese staff will never operate on german land. It would be a security risk and definitly not in german interest.

Don't listen to Markus with his half truth.

Foreign rail operators are allowed to operate in Germany if they are transnational, that is e.g. French Thalys can run between Paris and Cologne, Danish DSB operates between Copenhagen and Hamburg, etc. What is not allowed are foreign operators operating only within Germany. But since the train comes from Beijing, it's just the same as the above mentioned situation.

 

[INDIC]

Flight will still be better for such long distances.

 

[MarkusS]

Don't listen to Markus with his half truth.

Foreign rail operators are allowed to operate in Germany if they are transnational, that is e.g. French Thalys can run between Paris and Cologne, Danish DSB operates between Copenhagen and Hamburg, etc. What is not allowed are foreign operators operating only within Germany. But since the train comes from Beijing, it's just the same as the above mentioned situation.

Your bad english skills once again kick yourself in the ***. There is only one railway operator in germany: DB Netz. No other is allowed to operate railways inside germany. rails. I´m not talking about trains.

Beside that all trains mentioned are from EU nations. China definitly is not member of the EU. And it makes zero sense for the Eu to allow pathetic backwarded technology on its rails.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Your bad english skills once again kick yourself in the ***. There is only one railway operator in germany: DB Netz. No other is allowed to operate railways inside germany. rails. I´m not talking about trains.

Beside that all trains mentioned are from EU nations. China definitly is not member of the EU. And it makes zero sense for the Eu to allow pathetic backwarded technology on its rails.

Your stupidity kicks in again. Where did I say that foreign rail companies are allowed to operate the track network?

And why did a topic about HSR coming all the way from Beijing via Moscow to Berlin becomes foreign railways operating in Germany? Where is the difference with Thalys connecting Paris with Cologne?

 

[MarkusS]

Your stupidity kicks in again. Where did I say that foreign rail companies are allowed to operate the track network?

And why did a topic about HSR coming all the way from Beijing via Moscow to Berlin becomes foreign railways operating in Germany? Where is the difference with Thalys connecting Paris with Cologne?

The DB also offers ICE traffc to Paris and soon also too London. Its a joined network. To believe that a chinese corporation would be allowed to operate within the EU without complete mixture with DB, Thalys and so on is laughable at best.

 

[Aepsilons]

Every citizen or taxpayer has the right to keep an eye on how the money is being used or to see if it is wasted. The new amendment of China's budget law set more detailed procedures to make fiscal appropriation more transparent and easily supervised, to improve the effectiveness of the functionality of government and reduce corruption. We have the right to question the government.

Next, it will be the call for an independent judiciary. One that will have the right to investigate even the CPC, including the Central Committee.

The project would cost more than $230 billion and be over 7,000 kilometres.

Who the hell will travel by train to Russia, other than tourists? Even many tourists will fly there. This is not a lucrative project at all.. Are you kidding me, 230 billion? I have no problem if Russia pays for it. Even in China, our HSR system is not complete yet, we should concentrate on our own business and leave Russia alone.

That's going to be an absolute waste of money. That $230 Billion should go to investing infrastructure, especially in the underdeveloped provinces in the west.

That money will go straight to the pockets of certain ministry officials ; as well as Russian and Chinese construction firms' side pockets.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The DB also offers ICE traffc to Paris and soon also too London. Its a joined network. To believe that a chinese corporation would be allowed to operate within the EU without complete mixture with DB, Thalys and so on is laughable at best.

What hinders the DB or SNCF to offer the same service to Beijing in the future once the tracks are ready? There will be millions of Chinese tourists who would like to try out the ICE and Thalys all the way from China to Europe, in fact there are already millions/ annum visiting Paris right now. Only your petit bourgeois mind hinders you to see the large picture, as always.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

People criticising long distance rail are very short sighted. HSR uses electricity and the sources to make electricity are penny, ranging from PV, hydro, wind, fission, gas, and in the future probably fusion.

Air planes can only fly with oil and that is definitely finite in the foreseeable future.

 

[Edison Chen]

Next, it will be the call for an independent judiciary. One that will have the right to investigate even the CPC, including the Central Committee.

That is exactly what I am hoping.

That's going to be an absolute waste of money. That $230 Billion should go to investing infrastructure, especially in the underdeveloped provinces in the west.

That money will go straight to the pockets of certain ministry officials ; as well as Russian and Chinese construction firms' side pockets.

If it is used for cargo, it's ok, but if for passengers, no.

 

[MarkusS]

What hinders the DB or SNCF to offer the same service to Beijing in the future once the tracks are ready? There will be millions of Chinese tourists who would like to try out the ICE and Thalys all the way from China to Europe, in fact there are already millions/ annum visiting Paris right now. Only your petit bourgeois mind hinders you to see the large picture, as always.

common sense hinders DB to offer the same service to Beijing. The market would be near zero. It is laughable to believe that enough people want sit 4 days in a train to china when they can do the same within 10 hours per plane. You do realize that we currently work on SST as well as SSTO? By the time this thrombosis railway would be finished, we have a travel time frankfurt - beijing in 2 hours.

 

[TaiShang]

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Chinese and Russian policemen attend a joint anti-terror drill in Manzhouli City, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Oct. 20, 2014. In order to boost coordinated ability to fight terrorism in the border region, Chinese and Russian police held a anti-terror drill on Monday, which involves planning hostage rescues and physical competitions between both squads. [Photo/Xinhua]

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Chinese and Russian policemen attend a joint anti-terror drill in Manzhouli City, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Oct. 20, 2014. In order to boost coordinated ability to fight terrorism in the border region, Chinese and Russian police held a anti-terror drill on Monday, which involves planning hostage rescues and physical competitions between both squads. [Photo/Xinhua]

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Chinese and Russian policemen attend a joint anti-terror drill in Manzhouli City, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Oct. 20, 2014. In order to boost coordinated ability to fight terrorism in the border region, Chinese and Russian police held a anti-terror drill on Monday, which involves planning hostage rescues and physical competitions between both squads. [Photo/Xinhua]

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Chinese and Russian policemen attend a joint anti-terror drill in Manzhouli City, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Oct. 20, 2014. In order to boost coordinated ability to fight terrorism in the border region, Chinese and Russian police held a anti-terror drill on Monday, which involves planning hostage rescues and physical competitions between both squads. [Photo/Xinhua]

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Chinese and Russian policemen attend a joint anti-terror drill in Manzhouli City, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Oct. 20, 2014. In order to boost coordinated ability to fight terrorism in the border region, Chinese and Russian police held a anti-terror drill on Monday, which involves planning hostage rescues and physical competitions between both squads. [Photo/Xinhua]