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The real solution to the Afghanistan problem

until border is open forget peace dollars and drug weapons control in pakistan .
The border must be shut down, secured and fortified, surveillance increased.

It's sad to say but Afghanistan is still stuck very far into the past - a very tribal barbaric society that is not civilised. The idea of diplomacy and negotiation can only be done with civilised nations, it's something that only works in the west.

The only solution that speaks here is utmost force and power. Get rid of the group that causes you problems, isolate and fence them off.
 
The border must be shut down, secured and fortified, surveillance increased.

It's sad to say but Afghanistan is still stuck very far into the past - a very tribal barbaric society that is not civilised. The idea of diplomacy and negotiation can only be done with civilised nations, it's something that only works in the west.

The only solution that speaks here is utmost force and power. Get rid of the group that causes you problems, isolate and fence them off.
pakistna should focus on afghan broder mor ethen indian border and LOC . this border is killing our economy and peace more then LOC
 
pakistna should focus on afghan broder mor ethen indian border and LOC . this border is killing our economy and peace more then LOC
Pakistan  cannot truly focus on India until the Afghanistan issue is dealt with. In fact this is India's new strategy against us as said by them themselves.

"We will fight Pakistan till the last Afghan"

Our economy and national security is more at risk due to Afghans than Indians right now.
 
Pakistan  cannot truly focus on India until the Afghanistan issue is dealt with. In fact this is India's new strategy against us as said by them themselves.

"We will fight Pakistan till the last Afghan"

Our economy and national security is more at risk due to Afghans than Indians right now.
dollars are flooding from pak to afghanistan
drugs are flooding from afg to pakistan and then via paksitan world
weapons are flooding from afgh to pakistan
terrorists are flooding from afgh to paksitan
extremist terrorists ideology flooding from afg to paksitan .
illegal migrants flooding from afg to paksitan

everything coming from afgh is creating more and more mess in paksitna but we are worry of india . man india will nto fight with us because of nukes . we should worry west borders .
 
dollars are flooding from pak to afghanistan
drugs are flooding from afg to pakistan and then via paksitan world
weapons are flooding from afgh to pakistan
terrorists are flooding from afgh to paksitan
extremist terrorists ideology flooding from afg to paksitan .
illegal migrants flooding from afg to paksitan

everything coming from afgh is creating more and more mess in paksitna but we are worry of india . man india will nto fight with us because of nukes . we should worry west borders .
How many blowjobs have our generals given to the US?

I say they give a few extra blowjobs and bend over one more time and tell the US to finally nuke Afghanistan.

Save us the trouble of decades of fixing the issue. Strategically nuke the populated areas close to our borders and bring this region peace, once and for all.
 
Where did i blame islam? Blaming mullah is not equal to blaming islam. Dont act like a typical retard mullah. What i said is the plain truth, im not pashtun nationalist maybe more of a Pakistani nationalist. I am not the dumb blind nationalist, accept the reality. U deny the 70,000 medrassas? U deny funding from saudi and CIA throughout the past 4 decades? U dont even know what u r talking about, pashtunwali? Lolz its 2022 retard, pashtuns proudly educate their daughters, its the establishment dog mullah that spreads hatred and give a bad name to Islam. I want to please white western trash? U must be really thick to imagine that, western trash is pleased by these western slaves, some in uniform and others like fazlu in beard.

Mullah? Thats another indirect way of blaming Islam. Taliban are follwing pathanwali and not Islam when they ban women education. Madrassas already existed, what CIA gave was money and weapons to fight Soviet Union which every afghan is very proud of. Stop being two faced for once.
 
If we fix our politics and our economy, we will be largest business opportunity for Afghans. Secure the border fence and ask the Chinese to pressure the afghans to cut out their crap in exchange for the trans-Afghan railway, in which everyone benefits. Work with our citizens in the border areas to provide job opportunities, making goods and providing services needed in Afghanistan. Cutting smuggling so these products and services must be sourced from our citizens at border markets. Tying the future rebuilding and sustainability of Afghanistan to Pakistan is the only way to make it in their interests not to challenge the border, because if they do those border markets in those sectors can be closed.

This can be a two way street. Afghanistan’s current rulers can use this an opportunity to reshape relations with Pakistan for themselves and their people. The Afghans don’t want foreign forces in the region and a resumption of the last two decades of war. They also can’t be seen to lose face in front many of their ethno-nationalist countrymen. Furthermore, they need the means to sustain their economy as well as run the country largely the way they want to, in accordance with their culture.

They need to make it in Pakistan’s economic interest to prevent foreign intervention into their country (such as a value added processing industry to their mining sector), and offset any financial benefit Pakistan may get by accommodating extra-regional interests. In doing so, they can claim they are protecting Afghanistan through diplomacy, and can use it to reign in militant groups on their side of the border.

They can also negotiate more free access for Afghan citizens to officially (instead of de-facto) move freely in Pakistan and make the border a line of administration, but not a significant barrier to free movement of people or goods. Afghans already move freely into Pakistan, why not use this as an opportunity to shape that relationship that extracts benefits for Pakistan, such as no movement of arms, taxing goods moving across the border, and skills development of Afghans so they have viable livelihoods to go back to. A stable Afghanistan with Pakistan’s help could also add more weight to Pakistani relationships with Central Asia, and a Russia (once they end the war in Ukraine and need to rebuild via regional partners)

A more prosperous Pakistan would not be at the expense of Afghanistan and a prosperous Afghanistan would then not be a threat to Pakistan. A peaceful region would attract FDI and a rebuilding Afghanistan (financed by mining profits) could be a growth engine for Pakistani consumer market and value added industries like food processing, mining processing, and shipping at Karachi and Gwadar port.
 
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Mullah? Thats another indirect way of blaming Islam. Taliban are follwing pathanwali and not Islam when they ban women education. Madrassas already existed, what CIA gave was money and weapons to fight Soviet Union which every afghan is very proud of. Stop being two faced for once.

Mullah is the enemy of Islam, this scum have destroyed Islam. Go n study Islam and not listen to stupid hateful mullah. Taliban are creation of deoband and they call nationalists as kafir and u say they follow pashtinwali? Seriously get out of ur sofa n stidy or shut up because u know nothing. Medrassas were there? When? U deny building 70,000 medrassas in KP n tribal arwas with CIA money?? Its useless to argue with dumb bootlickers, u should go n live in a medrassa with big belly mullah and not use western created internet and devices.
 
Mullah is the enemy of Islam, this scum have destroyed Islam. Go n study Islam and not listen to stupid hateful mullah. Taliban are creation of deoband and they call nationalists as kafir and u say they follow pashtinwali? Seriously get out of ur sofa n stidy or shut up because u know nothing. Medrassas were there? When? U deny building 70,000 medrassas in KP n tribal arwas with CIA money?? Its useless to argue with dumb bootlickers, u should go n live in a medrassa with big belly mullah and not use western created internet and devices.
I second that.
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Military has successfully hindered the development of civil society (Politics and other civil pillars of state) and at the same time,their own developed policies have always been at thousands of miles away from the basic common sense and have damaged Pakistan in both (short &long) run
I still wonder How Quaid e Azam already knew that the interference of military in state affairs will have devastating effects so gave them shut up call not to involve themselves in state affairs.
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Pak military -intelligence elite's policies have not only f#cked up Pakistan but also other Muslim states:
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A joint venture between Saudis,the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jamat e Islami ,put together by ISI shocked the world with new type of Islamic fundamentalism.
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Just check the statement of Hameed Gul,I never imagined we have got such big duffers and fundamentalists in Army who just have f#cked up the whole state.
They must be gathered at one place and must be shot dead for their world wide crimes.
 
I second that.
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Military has successfully hindered the development of civil society (Politics and other civil pillars of state) and at the same time,their own developed policies have always been at thousands of miles away from the basic common sense and have damaged Pakistan in both (short &long) run
I still wonder How Quaid e Azam already knew that the interference of military in state affairs will have devastating effects so gave them shut up call not to involve themselves in state affairs.
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Pak military -intelligence elite's policies have not only f#cked up Pakistan but also other Muslim states:
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A joint venture between Saudis,the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jamat e Islami ,put together by ISI shocked the world with new type of Islamic fundamentalism.
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Just check the statement of Hameed Gul,I never imagined we have got such big duffers and fundamentalists in Army who just have f#cked up the whole state.
They must be gathered at one place and must be shot dead for their world wide crimes.
Many extremist mentality folks infiltrated into positions of power - who were less focused on Pakistan and more focused on some sort of global Islamic spearheaded movement.

Primary focus should always be pursuing Pakistan's interests not this delusional global jihad or whatever it is.

Most foreign Muslim countries don't care at all, and many of them absolutely hate other countries and people. It's pure delusional to follow these policies that don't focus on Pakistan's interest first.
 
Hows about Pak returns "A"JK and GB to India ?

and we in turn help capture just as much (or more) land in NATO free A-Stan that you can keep ?

good deal ?
You are asking this under a post of someone from AJK?

You think we want to be under India? I assure you it's azaad.
 
Where did he mention anything about communism?

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Analogy dude, an idea can become reality and killed million of people. Karl Max just made an idea, it is not him who create Communist parties in Russia, China, Vietnam, and Indonesia
 
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Analogy dude, an idea can become reality and killed million of people. Karl Max just made an idea, it is not him who create Communist parties in Russia, China, Vietnam, and Indonesia
yh but a solution needs to be found to secure pakistans safety, I think a tajik central government controlling everything is the solution.

i dont agree with OP though, leaving an afghanistan with Afghan pashtuns stuck inside it could be a mistake, they can still easily continue their cross-border terrorism and infact their propaganda can become even stronger, they could change the country's name and flag to pashtunistan for propaganda and instability in pakistan if they wanted.

What really needs to happen is whole of current afghanistan needs to be turned into a khorosan controlled by tajikis exclusively, and make them help us against anti-pakistan elements and crack down on pashtunistanists. otherwise in the current state they will continue to involve themselves in our internal affairs. We lost a lot of lives and economy due to their terrorism! if tajikis dont cooperate send some afghanis to show them we could support a different group so dont harbour anti-pakistan elements.
 
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If we fix our politics and our economy, we will be largest business opportunity for Afghans. Secure the border fence and ask the Chinese to pressure the afghans to cut out their crap in exchange for the trans-Afghan railway, in which everyone benefits. Work with our citizens in the border areas to provide job opportunities, making goods and providing services needed in Afghanistan. Cutting smuggling so these products and services must be sourced from our citizens at border markets. Tying the future rebuilding and sustainability of Afghanistan to Pakistan is the only way to make it in their interests not to challenge the border, because if they do those border markets in those sectors can be closed.

This can be a two way street. Afghanistan’s current rulers can use this an opportunity to reshape relations with Pakistan for themselves and their people. The Afghans don’t want foreign forces in the region and a resumption of the last two decades of war. They also can’t be seen to lose face in front many of their ethno-nationalist countrymen. Furthermore, they need the means to sustain their economy as well as run the country largely the way they want to, in accordance with their culture.

They need to make it in Pakistan’s economic interest to prevent foreign intervention into their country (such as a value added processing industry to their mining sector), and offset any financial benefit Pakistan may get by accommodating extra-regional interests. In doing so, they can claim they are protecting Afghanistan through diplomacy, and can use it to reign in militant groups on their side of the border.

They can also negotiate more free access for Afghan citizens to officially (instead of de-facto) move freely in Pakistan and make the border a line of administration, but not a significant barrier to free movement of people or goods. Afghans already move freely into Pakistan, why not use this as an opportunity to shape that relationship that extracts benefits for Pakistan, such as no movement of arms, taxing goods moving across the border, and skills development of Afghans so they have viable livelihoods to go back to. A stable Afghanistan with Pakistan’s help could also add more weight to Pakistani relationships with Central Asia, and a Russia (once they end the war in Ukraine and need to rebuild via regional partners)

A more prosperous Pakistan would not be at the expense of Afghanistan and a prosperous Afghanistan would then not be a threat to Pakistan. A peaceful region would attract FDI and a rebuilding Afghanistan (financed by mining profits) could be a growth engine for Pakistani consumer market and value added industries like food processing, mining processing, and shipping at Karachi and Gwadar port.

Finally, a sensible comment....almost every other is just kill them, nuke them. smh


I see things from an Islamic perspective. Creating more divisions & hatred between Muslims is bad. What is good for both Pakistanis & the rest of the Muslim world? Answer: A united federation or at least a confederation of Muslim states. If EU can do it, so can we.

The OP and some of the others may curse me but instead of creating yet more instability (even if we could afford it), it's better to offer them to be an autonomous territory within the federation or form a confederation. They can do their own thing & we will do our own thing. The only condition is an end to TTP terrorism.

This way you'll finally put an end to ethnonationalist fantasies & Indian interference from Afg. The state can finally put more focus on development. Religious extremism will also die down eventually as afghans become more educated & less isolated. See the Saudis. You can still consider dividing the country eventually (likely after decades) but both territories should be part of Pakistan.

Afghanistan is a litmus test for us. If we can't deal with them in a sensible manner, the rest of the Muslim world won't see us as trustworthy.
 
Aren't the Afghans peak "kuffar" then according to their definition? Afghans are loyal to their ethnic identity over the idea of a global ummah. You will never find an Afghan who supports ummah concept or pan-Islamism unlike Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muslims, as for mixing with the "dark" and "inferior" daalkhor Muslims of the subcontinent is unimaginable for them as they must preserve their ethnic identity and "purity".
The sort of behavior u mentioned mostly comes from the farsiban(minus hazara)..
The nationalist Afghan of Afghanistan are more focused on grabbing kpk and balochistan unlike farsiban.The religious Afghans consider themselves more holy than say Pakistanis or iranian and have strong supportbase in pakistan esp. Among non pashtuns . They are fine with ummah thing as long as the Ameer is theirs and capital is kabul/kandhar...
 

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