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In the early 1990s, when Bill Clinton was in the White House and the United States looked unshakeable, the administration appointed Jack Goldstone to study how states fail. They meant other states; not the US. Few expected that his model would later predict their country's collapse.

In an unpublished paper submitted for peer review, Professor Goldstone, who is a sociologist, and Peter Turchin, an expert on the mathematical modelling of historical societies, have concluded that the US is "headed for another civil war".

The conditions for civil violence, they say, are the worst since the 19th century — in particular the years leading up to the start of the American Civil War in 1861.

The reason for this are trends that began in the 1980s, "with regard to inequality, selfish elites, and polarisation that have crippled the ability of the US government to mount an effective response to the pandemic disease," they write.

This has also "hampered our ability to deliver an inclusive economic relief policy, and exacerbated the tensions over racial injustice."

Nature. They could be a reliable indicator of looming instability and "look set to peak in the years around 2020," he wrote.

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The Political Stress Index combines three crisis indicators: declining living standards, increasing intra-elite competition/conflict, and the weakening of the state. Growing PSI indicates likelihood of political violence. The Well-being Index indicates greater equality, greater elite consensus, and a stronger, more legitimate state.

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Speaking from his home in Virginia on Monday — the day before a member of an armed militia shot a protester beneath a statue of a conquistador in New Mexico — Professor Goldstone described these predictions as "scary as hell".

"The general feeling is horror," he said.

'Collapse happens slowly and then very suddenly'
In fact, the present disorder was forecast as far back as 1991. In the book Revolution and Rebellion in the Early Modern World, Professor Goldstone used an early version of his model to predict the rise of a leader similar to President Trump.

It came down to population changes, Professor Goldstone argued. The American population surged after World War II — the Boomer generation born in a time of relative peace and plenty. As this massive cohort aged and accrued wealth, they could make the country vulnerable to political crisis. But this would only happen, he wrote, if the elites did three things: tighten up the path to mobility to favour themselves and their children (like increasing the cost of university); dampen wage growth and claim a greater share of economic gains for themselves; and resist taxation so that government is starved of needed revenues.

As it turned out, this is exactly what would happen over the following three decades.


President Trump near the White House on June 1, 2020.

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At the non-profit Fund for Peace in Washington DC, the Fragile States Index tracks data such as the state of public services and income inequality and assigns countries a score indicating its resilience or ability to cope with shocks. It's been running the index since 2000, and in the last few years the US's position has steadily worsened. Charles Fiertz, a programs manager at the fund, told Hack that, although the index was not designed to make predictions, he had noticed some interesting correlations.

"In 2016, when the Trump election and the Brexit referendum happened, we looked back and found that the US, along with the UK, was actually one of the most worsened countries in the world over the preceding several years in the indicators of group grievance and factionalised elites," he said.

These trends in the indicators have continued in recent years, Mr Fiertz says. Looking at other countries that have collapsed, he sees a pattern of several indicators steadily worsening before a sudden shock "overwhelms the system".

"It could be a pandemic or a loss in a war or perceived abuse by public security forces," he said.

"And normally, prior to this worsening process, a country would be able to adapt to, to deal with that. But because of this long-term buildup of vulnerabilities, it cannot."

"It happens slowly and then very suddenly."

Whichever side loses could dispute election outcome
Professor Goldstone predicts the real problems will begin after July 31, when Americans' $600 a week COVID-19 unemployment welfare expires.

"Social tensions likely continue to grow as we move to November," he said.

"The risks of violence in November are very high."

November is the US presidential election — now less than five months away. As the big date nears, the tone of predictions are darkening. Both Republicans and Democrats see a loss as a cataclysm — not just a setback, but the end of America. Four more years of Trump would 'destroy democracy', one side says. The other claims that Biden would destroy the economy as well as 'law and order'. The Trump campaign has launched an 'Army for Trump' website to "recruit and mobilise Americans ... committed to fighting to re-elect President Trump."

"There's a real risk that, if the election is close, whichever side loses will be strongly motivated to mobilise people to challenge the result," Professor Goldstone said.


A police officers pepper spray a woman on May 30, 2020 in Denver, Colorado.

There's another scenario: The protests calm down, Biden wins easily in November, Trump accepts the result, as do his supporters, and the country makes a peaceful transition to Democratic Party leadership. Unfortunately, this is "low probability", Professor Goldstone says. The chances of violence are higher.

"The fissures in our society that led to the last outpouring of protest are deep-rooted and have been around for a long time," he said.

"The concerns about racial injustice, gender discrimination, and severe economic and material inequality have been building for many decades.

"COVID-19 like the 2009 housing crisis has exacerbated these differences."

Could this mean a revolution? No, he says. The population of the United States is relatively aged and unlikely to be carried away by ideological fervour. Enough people would prefer to have leadership settled by election results rather than battles in the street. There's a chance, he says, of something like Ukraine's Orange Revolution. In 2004, after an election perceived to be marred by fraud and corruption, huge peaceful protests occupied central areas of the major cities and demanded a revote. When this took place, and the election was declared fair and free, the bloodless revolution was over.

This has never happened in the US. A presidential election has never been re-run.

"If we see an upsurge of violent protest and the election results are disputed the Democratic and Republican congressional leaders may try and get together across the party lines and maybe even justices of the Supreme Court," Professor Goldstone said.

"They'll say that, 'We feel that we need to stop a popular battle in the streets over who will lead our third branch — the Executive — and we need to have a new election to satisfy everyone that the government is legitimate.'

"Then they'd schedule an election in January."

Can it be turned around?
Some fragile states are able to turn themselves around, Charles Fiertz says.

"It requires a lot of investment over a long time and across a whole bunch of different areas, but it can be done," he said.

Professor Goldstone points to the 1930s, when President Herbert Hoover was leading the US at a time of growing fascism and democratic failure around the world. In the midst of the Great Depression, he was succeeded by Franklin D. Roosevelt, who tilted the economic balance away from the corporations and the wealthy.

"It wasn't easy and it didn't all magically go away in one term," Professor Gladstone said.

"He put the US in a position of global leadership rather than isolation — and led the defence of democracy around the world."

The professor, who grew up in the 1950s, in the shadow of Roosevelt's achievement, sees a "new wave of progressivism" in the mass peaceful protests of the Black Lives Matter movement. He believes the present has also brought out the best in some Americans.

"There's something good in America that's still very much alive," he said.

"There's good as well as bad going on at the same time — and we always hope the good will win."
 
Such a bullshit article. There maybe many thing wrong with the US but civil war will hardly happen. There are countries in this world where elites are brutal to the extend that majority population may die in protection of them. There are countries with more differences then in US.
 
Such a bullshit article. There maybe many thing wrong with the US but civil war will hardly happen. There are countries in this world where elites are brutal to the extend that majority population may die in protection of them. There are countries with more differences then in US.

Even the Black Lives Matter thread has quieted down so it looks like things are winding down.
 
Civil War? The United States survived an actual civil war. These protests are nothing, in comparison.
 
Even the Black Lives Matter thread has quieted down so it looks like things are winding down.

Black Lives Matter will get out of control if Derek Chauvin isn't found guilty. Luckily for us, the trial is at least a year away. I can see widespread protests happening again when Derek Chauvin enters a not guilty plea on June 29th but as it stands it looks like tensions are simmering down.
 
Who knows, with Trump and COVID-19, anything can happen, I bet few in 1980s can believe Soviet Union is about to collapse either.
 
Who knows, with Trump and COVID-19, anything can happen, I bet few in 1980s can believe Soviet Union is about to collapse either.

Russia's standard of living in the 1980's was just as bad as China's. It was amazing they lasted at all.

When consumer technology started to take off in the West for everyday convenience it was extremely slow to catch on in the East. Every year that went by made Russia look more and more backwards to the point where they were decades behind.

Things you take for granted in the East now were simply not available in Russia in the 1980's...and more importantly not interested in being available.

Tech not common in 1980's Russia:

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Something as simple as barcodes on packaging wasn't even available. Soviet cashiers typed in prices. 1970's store tech.


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Cell phone tech in the 1980's? Nope.

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Color big screen tv's common. Nope.


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1980's play a movie on demand at home using cable/VCR/Laser Disc. Nope.


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1980's Personal Computer/Laptop. Nope.


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1980's Digital watch. Nope.


1980's cars with air conditioning, power windows/locks/hatches, automatic transmission. Nope


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1980's Videogame consoles. Nope

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A 1980 Microwave oven. Common in Russia? Nope.

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Whole home Air Conditioning...in Russia...in the 1980's...yeah right.

online stuff in the 1980's. Nope

ATM machines in the 1980's. Nope.
 
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Black Lives Matter will get out of control if Derek Chauvin isn't found guilty. Luckily for us, the trial is at least a year away. I can see widespread protests happening again when Derek Chauvin enters a not guilty plea on June 29th but as it stands it looks like tensions are simmering down.

His fate is sealed.
 
His fate is sealed.

Can you imagine the outrage if he's found not guilty? If that happens and Trump wins, then I'll entertain the idea of a civil war. As it stands, I expect him to take a plea deal because he will most certainly be found guilty of second degree murder. If they up the charge to first degree, then and only then he has a chance of getting off.
 
George Floyd wasn't exactly an angel. However he was handcuffed, I can't get over the fact that Derek Chauvin put his knee on that man's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Chauvin will probably plea to first degree murder getting a life in prison without parole. If he does not plead guilty, the court will will find him guilty giving him a death sentence.
 
Civil War? The United States survived an actual civil war. These protests are nothing, in comparison.
The conditions were totally different then. The North American continent wasn't entirely inhabited by Anglo-Saxons. The native Americans were yet to be wiped out. The newly acquired lands after Abraham Lincoln's death provided a safety valve for the belligerence of the two sides.

- PRTP GWD
 
George Floyd wasn't exactly an angel. However he was handcuffed, I can't get over the fact that Derek Chauvin put his knee on that man's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Chauvin will probably plea to first degree murder getting a life in prison without parole. If he does not plead guilty, the court will will find him guilty giving him a death sentence.
He's not even accused of a first degree murder. He's accused of a second degree murder, after people protested the third degree murder accusation. Obviously he didn't wake up in the morning and told himself: "I'm going to kill George Floyd today." So, a first degree murder seems already impossible.

And there is no capital punishment in Minnesota. No one has been executed in Minnesota since 1911. I think he'll get 5 to 20 years in prison and then they'll call it a day.

Nevertheless, the racial gap in the US will one way or another lead to more protests and riots in future.

Black Lives Matter will get out of control if Derek Chauvin isn't found guilty. Luckily for us, the trial is at least a year away. I can see widespread protests happening again when Derek Chauvin enters a not guilty plea on June 29th but as it stands it looks like tensions are simmering down.
That's not lucky. Things like this are always planned in a way that the public feelings calm down before a trial takes place.
 

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