UK has Procured Chinese AKs to Train Ukrainian Troops

[S10]

Reminds me of the stories of China selling weapons to both Iran and Iraq during the 1980's.

 

[Beast]

Are they maintained or rusted like some of the Russian AKs given to Russian soldiers?

You don't know a well grease rifle store in those boxes under good condition can last even few decades?

These SKS are just few example how good they are even storing for few decades.

 

[MH.Yang]

You do know Scout is multiple years program, right? and people are in the scout for usually 10 to 15 years.....And you don't just do shooting, you also do wilderness survival, orientational training, mountaineering, first aid, other tactical training (Such as parade, drill, self defence and etc) . All those are considered paramilitary training.

Sure, you can go into the scout and do knitting and nothing else, no one is stopping you from that, but you can get the whole program if you want, and most people who are into JROTC or ROTC would do the whole thing anyway.

In the first year of junior high school, senior high school and college, Chinese schools usually have a month of military training.

At the beginning of other grades and on National Day, Chinese schools usually have a week of military training.

As shown in the video, the military training of primary school students(6 to 12 years old) will exercise their physical strength and willpower, and initially contact firearms.

The military training meeting of junior high school students(13 to 15 years old) initially contacted infantry chariots and other vehicles, initially learned to advance with the chariots, and carried out the actual shooting training of guns.

High school students(16 to 18 years old) will actually carry out firing training of rockets and mortars, and learn tactical attack and long-distance march.

College students(19+ years old) will practice more complex tactics, including artillery shooting, sniping tactics, group attack tactics, etc.

BTW: Chinese students do not need to learn to knit sweaters during military training.

 

[jhungary]

In the first year of junior high school, senior high school and college, Chinese schools usually have a month of military training.

At the beginning of other grades and on National Day, Chinese schools usually have a week of military training.

As shown in the video, the military training of primary school students will exercise their physical strength and willpower, and initially contact firearms.

The military training meeting of junior high school students initially contacted infantry chariots and other vehicles, initially learned to advance with the chariots, and carried out the actual shooting training of guns.

High school students will actually carry out firing training of rockets and mortars, and learn tactical attack and long-distance march.

College students will practice more complex tactics, including artillery shooting, sniping tactics, group attack tactics, etc.

BTW: Chinese students do not need to learn to knit sweaters during military training.

Well if you want to go into detail, then US don't just offer scout into military training. There are JROTC and ROTC. Both programs ran by Department of Defence, and then there are various cadet program.

JROTC is basically a Basic Military Training designed for Middle Schooler to High School student. It ran from Year 7 to Year 12) It teaches anything from Rifling technique to Basic Orienteering, along with Drills and Exercise.

Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps - Wikipedia

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ROTC is basically an entry into reserve officer for University Student, it ran for 4 years, in the end of the 4 years, you can either take the commission and commission into different US Military Branch as Officer, or reject the commission, which mean depends on your branch, you can fire artillery, trained on attack helicopter, drive a tank, or just go as infantry or whatever you join ROTC from. It's basically like West Point or Air Force Academy, the only different is you gain your degree on the side privately via university. Instead of One Station like in West Point or AFA

You can technically get out of the commission if you had not enjoyed "Uncle Sam dime" since you are already enlisted when you join ROTC, you will be admin discharge after the 4 years program should you had not claimed any benefit. Otherwise, there is a contract term related and you need to serve at the end of the contract, usually is 8 years, so you serve 4 (because you already did 4 in ROTC) You can choose to claim the commission or go enlisted, if you do, you will be getting a SPC4 Rank instead of PVT.

Reserve Officers' Training Corps - Wikipedia

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Cadet is a wild range of stuff, it can range from pre-Academy Training. Like Virginia Military Institute, while not government sanctioned Military Training Facilities, all VMI student are require to enlist in ROTC program, which make all of them pathway to the Military.

Virginia Military Institute - Wikipedia

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And then there are Military College, Military High School which more or less served reformed student or troublemaker. Basically giving them discipline to set them straight.


US used to have mandatory Military Education but since the US abolished the draft, they can no longer force people to participate military activities. Which leads to both Government Sanction Program (JROTC and ROTC) and non-Government Sanctioned Program (Scout, Cadetship and other Military Schooling structure)

 

[Maula Jatt]

I think Pak army still uses Type 56 to this day

It must be a decent weapon that it's still going strong after so many years

 

[MH.Yang]

Reminds me of the stories of China selling weapons to both Iran and Iraq during the 1980's.

At that time, China was too short of foreign exchange.

Now China will not do such things.

Well if you want to go into detail, then US don't just offer scout into military training. There are JROTC and ROTC. Both programs ran by Department of Defence, and then there are various cadet program.

JROTC is basically a Basic Military Training designed for Middle Schooler to High School student. It ran from Year 7 to Year 12) It teaches anything from Rifling technique to Basic Orienteering, along with Drills and Exercise.

Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ROTC is basically an entry into reserve officer for University Student, it ran for 4 years, in the end of the 4 years, you can either take the commission and commission into different US Military Branch as Officer, or reject the commission, which mean depends on your branch, you can fire artillery, trained on attack helicopter, drive a tank, or just go as infantry or whatever you join ROTC from. It's basically like West Point or Air Force Academy, the only different is you gain your degree on the side privately via university. Instead of One Station like in West Point or AFA

You can technically get out of the commission if you had not enjoyed "Uncle Sam dime" since you are already enlisted when you join ROTC, you will be admin discharge after the 4 years program should you had not claimed any benefit. Otherwise, there is a contract term related and you need to serve at the end of the contract, usually is 8 years, so you serve 4 (because you already did 4 in ROTC) You can choose to claim the commission or go enlisted, if you do, you will be getting a SPC4 Rank instead of PVT.

Reserve Officers' Training Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cadet is a wild range of stuff, it can range from pre-Academy Training. Like Virginia Military Institute, while not government sanctioned Military Training Facilities, all VMI student are require to enlist in ROTC program, which make all of them pathway to the Military.

Virginia Military Institute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And then there are Military College, Military High School which more or less served reformed student or troublemaker. Basically giving them discipline to set them straight.


US used to have mandatory Military Education but since the US abolished the draft, they can no longer force people to participate military activities. Which leads to both Government Sanction Program (JROTC and ROTC) and non-Government Sanctioned Program (Scout, Cadetship and other Military Schooling structure)

Obviously, the two countries have different goals for military training.

The USA aims to cultivate a certain number of professional soldiers.

China's goal is to cultivate the physical strength, courage and willpower of all young people.

One is to make killing machines, the other is to cultivate high-quality character.

 

[jhungary]

At that time, China was too short of foreign exchange.

Now China will not do such things.


Obviously, the two countries have different goals for military training.

The USA aims to cultivate a certain number of professional soldiers.

China's goal is to cultivate the physical strength, courage and willpower of all young people.

One is to make killing machines, the other is to cultivate high-quality character.

Dude, I went thru all these.

I can tell you no amount of Military Training whether or not they are in China or US cultivate high-quality character.

If you want to be a high-quality character, you go learn poetry or literature or play sport, not doing things like firing guns and learn how to kill people.

 

[Beast]

I think Pak army still uses Type 56 to this day
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It must be a decent weapon that it's still going strong after so many years

Type56 and AK-47 suffer the same problem of precision. They are durable and reliable but have poor accuracy due to the strong recoil. Difficult to hit anything beyond 100m accurately.

The Type56 is never the official infantry weapon due to this problem. In fact the Chinese SKS Type 56 is the official weapon of PLA for 3 decades until type 81 assault rifle is introduced.

 

[retaxis]

Type56 and AK-47 suffer the same problem of precision. They are durable and reliable but have poor accuracy due to the strong recoil. Difficult to hit anything beyond 100m accurately.

The Type56 is never the official infantry weapon due to this problem. In fact the Chinese SKS Type 56 is the official weapon of PLA for 3 decades until type 81 assault rifle is introduced.

Are rifles more used in CQC these days rather than shooting long ranges where accuracy is important? With cheap drones dropping grenades and suicide drones and armoured vehicles with 50cal not to mention designated marksman, do infantry even need to engage that often in long range engagements? jungle warfare, urban warfare, rainforest warfare etc don't really require long range rifles for everyone do they?

 

[QinGua1949]

It's like the scout in the US. They give them some lecture or physical training during school, usually in some show and tell form.

Probably the scout in the US spend more time in the range than these so called "Military Training" in China.

Typical brain dead response, from another wannabe expert. You ought to refrain from making comments on a subject matter you have no flying clue what you're talking about, especially on a country and civilization you have a hard on against.

 

[QinGua1949]

You do know Scout is multiple years program, right? and people are in the scout for usually 10 to 15 years.....And you don't just do shooting, you also do wilderness survival, orientational training, mountaineering, first aid, other tactical training (Such as parade, drill, self defence and etc) . All those are considered paramilitary training.

Sure, you can go into the scout and do knitting and nothing else, no one is stopping you from that, but you can get the whole program if you want, and most people who are into JROTC or ROTC would do the whole thing anyway.

Are the Boy Scouts a paramilitary group?

They wear uniforms. They’re awarded ranks, badges, patches, and medals. Scout organizations are called “Troops” and subgroups within Troops are called “Patrols.” Scout…

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And how active are the scouts in the U.S. nowadays champ? You're talking about as if the scout is as active, and as influential as it was during their heydays from it's inception to mid 2000s. Nowadays, the Boys Scout of America is not only struggling financially but is unable to attract strong memberships due to many reasons that aren't only prevalent in America but throughout western countries, and that's indifferent to duty, service to country regardless of how much b.s. they spew on social media.

Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts Suffer Huge Declines in Membership – MinistryWatch

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I mean, for Pete's sake, your vaunted U.S. military even with all their signing bonus for new military recruits couldn't even fill their target and is actually short of 15,000 as in the case with the U.S. Army. But this phenomenon isn't strictly with the Army branch but it's a problem all throughout the branches of the U.S. Military.

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[Beast]

Are rifles more used in CQC these days rather than shooting long ranges where accuracy is important? With cheap drones dropping grenades and suicide drones and armoured vehicles with 50cal not to mention designated marksman, do infantry even need to engage that often in long range engagements? jungle warfare, urban warfare, rainforest warfare etc don't really require long range rifles for everyone do they?

Yes, it needed. In Afghanistan, the long range accuracy are highly sought by US marines fighting in desert and wide open space area.

But in dense tropical forest or urban setup. CQB high rate of fire are better suit.

If you ask me what rifle to get. AK-47 will be my last choice out of so many.

 

[Foinikas]

FInland, Czech and Romania all have Type 56 in their service, and all of them still one way or another using AK-platform in the current military.

Czechs and Romanians don't use Type 56. They had their own versions.

 

[jhungary]

And how active are the scouts in the U.S. nowadays champ? You're talking about as if the scout is as active, and as influential as it was during their heydays from it's inception to mid 2000s. Nowadays, the Boys Scout of America is not only struggling financially but is unable to attract strong memberships due to many reasons that aren't only prevalent in America but throughout western countries, and that's indifferent to duty, service to country regardless of how much b.s. they spew on social media.

Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts Suffer Huge Declines in Membership – MinistryWatch

ministrywatch.com

I mean, for Pete's sake, your vaunted U.S. military even with all their signing bonus for new military recruits couldn't even fill their target and is actually short of 15,000 as in the case with the U.S. Army. But this phenomenon isn't strictly with the Army branch but it's a problem all throughout the branches of the U.S. Military.

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Typical brain dead response, from another wannabe expert. You ought to refrain from making comments on a subject matter you have no flying clue what you're talking about, especially on a country and civilization you have a hard on against.

I am just wondering how stupid were you exactly?

We are talking about "Program" offered for paramilitary training in both countries, not how active a Program were. I know firsthand on both these program because I did Scout in the US and I had one of those "Military Training" session when I was studying in Hing School in China some 20 years ago.

The program is similar in term of curriculum and the goal were also similar, both were a way to introduce Military Life in a form of regiment and discipline. Which basically serve the same thing. Both on high school level, or university level

Whether or not how active is the scout of how much US Military program fall short is not the issue here, that is because in China, you are MADE to do those programs, and in the US, the constitution since abolishing draft, cannot force anyone to participate in military or militia like program. Which mean it is pointless to talk about popularity of the program, I mean in China it was 100% to get in one of those education, does that translate to 100% recruitment rate for PLA?

On the other hand, MIlitary Recruitment is another issue at all in the US, it is unrelated to whether or not someone joined the scout or cadetship in High School. That's an competition issue where you can get better paid and better work package in private sector rather in the US Military, I earn $4500 a month as a Second Lieutenant in the US Army, I earn $85,000 a year after I got out.

Czechs and Romanians don't use Type 56. They had their own versions.

think they produce their own based on type 56.

 

[gambit]

I am just wondering how stupid were you exactly?

Looks like the guy should take his own advice in post 25.