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Why Pakistan is fighting its war against Terrorism alone? Where are allies?

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2. China is extending all out help to Pakistan when US was inked nuclear deal with India out of its stupid policies thinking that India might be a good friend to US and US can earn some money through the deal. It is China that has offered us two nuclear plants. :china:

I might be dumb about Nuclear issues, but you are not making any sence here. It is not about how many Nuclear facilities are openning or contracted. The Nuclear proliferation relates to Indians buying nuclear fuel from outside sources, and hopefully we will get Australia on our bed!!!!!

All power to the Chinese Nuclear Facilities building in Pakistan, hope they just have enough fuel to keep it going (meaning Chinese suppling to Pakistan)..
 
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Two misconceptions to be cleared here

(1) India under Morarji Desai, the Indian PM at that time, PUBLICLY OPPOSED the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He was asked by the Soviet leadership to attack Pakistan and he refused.
It was only later when he died and Indira Gandhi came in power that India adopted a neutral stance. But there was still considerable opposition internally to the Soviet invasion. GoI position was more because they were a junior partner with the USSR and could not therefore formulate an independent stand. Although Morarji Desai did show leadership in this regard.
You have to remember that except for the period of the Taliban, India always had excellent relations with Afghanistan from the time of King Zahir Shah and maintained relations during various communist led govts. including the reformed govt. under Najibullah. At least, until 96 when Taliban took over Kabul.

(2) The Northern Alliance was not just supported by India and Russia. Infact, it had more support particularly in terms of military h/w from the predominantly muslim CIS countries, Iran and Turkey. Iran because of its affiliation with the shias and its perceived proxy war against KSA / Pakistan / US alliance. CIS because they preferred their ethnic partners and were opposed to arab afghans that dominated the Taliban decision making. And Turkey because of its ethnic affiliation to the CIS states and the elasticities dominating in the UIF.

The United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UIF, or also Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan aka the Northern Alliance) consisted of various factions from all across Afghanistan that formed the govt. under Burhanuddin Rabbani after the Soviets left.

However, Pakistan, along with Saudi Arabia, UAE choose the Taliban to back instead of this govt. The US at least initially backed the Taliban as well, mostly hijacked by gas companies.

So it was the UIF aka Northern Alliance backed by primarily CIS Iran and to a lesser extent India Russia and Turkey on one side with the Taliban backed by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent US on the other. US backed out in the late 90s. Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Taliban in 98, after the Taliban refused to handover bin laden to the Saudi GID.
 
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1. It was never Pakistan's war rather we were dragged into it by US for its stupid follies so there is no question of China jumping into the an American war.

I really thought about wrighting a Novel on your statement, but simply put, you are not kicking them out, your country is not motivated enough to do so, because you (meaning Pakistanie officials) are still thinking about them as an assest for future. And That is why The Americans Arriving at your door steps....
 
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Two misconceptions to be cleared here

(1) India under Morarji Desai, the Indian PM at that time, PUBLICLY OPPOSED the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He was asked by the Soviet leadership to attack Pakistan and he refused.
It was only later when he died and Indira Gandhi came in power that India adopted a neutral stance. But there was still considerable opposition internally to the Soviet invasion. GoI position was more because they were a junior partner with the USSR and could not therefore formulate an independent stand. Although Morarji Desai did show leadership in this regard.
You have to remember that except for the period of the Taliban, India always had excellent relations with Afghanistan from the time of King Zahir Shah and maintained relations during various communist led govts. including the reformed govt. under Najibullah. At least, until 96 when Taliban took over Kabul.

(2) The Northern Alliance was not just supported by India and Russia. Infact, it had more support particularly in terms of military h/w from the predominantly muslim CIS countries, Iran and Turkey. Iran because of its affiliation with the shias and its perceived proxy war against KSA / Pakistan / US alliance. CIS because they preferred their ethnic partners and were opposed to arab afghans that dominated the Taliban decision making. And Turkey because of its ethnic affiliation to the CIS states and the elasticities dominating in the UIF.

The United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (UIF, or also Jabha-yi Muttahid-i Islami-yi Milli bara-yi Nijat-i Afghanistan aka the Northern Alliance) consisted of various factions from all across Afghanistan that formed the govt. under Burhanuddin Rabbani after the Soviets left.

However, Pakistan, along with Saudi Arabia, UAE choose the Taliban to back instead of this govt. The US at least initially backed the Taliban as well, mostly hijacked by gas companies.

So it was the UIF aka Northern Alliance backed by primarily CIS Iran and to a lesser extent India Russia and Turkey on one side with the Taliban backed by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent US on the other. US backed out in the late 90s. Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Taliban in 98, after the Taliban refused to handover bin laden to the Saudi GID.

This is a half cooked story at its best. And u sir are blaming by singling out some who u claimed to be die heart Soviet backers.

This is a clever ploy to blame few and absolve yourself and others from blame.

Now your account of Northern Alliance, is only half the story, u so conveiniently forgot to mention true facts of comming of Tlibans.
and make matters more confusing as u go into details of groups who were part of Northern Alliance

As the soviet control crumbled and they left Afghanistan, Warlords Incuding Northern alliance started fighting like cats and dogs and continues for years till some young Afghanis stood up and formed the movement to bring peace to Afghanistan, Pakistan backed them at the request of U.S as U.S was getting concerned about war lords fighting each other making Afghanistan vulenerable to soviets returning.

Talibans did kick the *** of Northern allaince the group mainly sustained and suported by Tajiks, An ethnic group.

Saudis, Egyptians and most other Arabs joined in with saudis, who were towing the line of U.S.

Talibans controlled most of the Aghanistan and needed money to help its sick childern and starving population,


Than Minister Hashimi is reported as saying: "When the Afghani head council asked visiting european consortium to provide the money to feed the children instead of fixing the statues, they refused and said, 'No, the money is just for the statues, not for the children'. Herein, they made the decision to destroy the statues".

U also go into silly and one sided Historical fact by twisting it to suit your agenda. The real story behind Zahir shah is the fact about durand line and hope u know the truth about it. and shamelessly India wasted no time in twiting the story and used Zahir shah to force their agenda of hating Pakistan.

Why i say India used Zahir shah becasue there are loads of facts about how India tried to undemine Pakistan by forcibly talking princely stats, interfering in East Pakitan by fooling Mujib into sending Muki buhins the traiters for training in India, and the stry goes on.
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/so dude, get your facts straight before posting or may be u r here to twist and confuse.
 
If Pakistan will say "OK we are taking a break from WOT " Pakistan will see delegation from US on daily bases. This is the biggest card Pakistan has for which US paid 300 million even objection from Indian lobby.
In June new F-16s will tell that Pakistan is not alone :D
 
EmO pls stop bashing arabs in general, just bash there ruler's who r doing all this, keep common arab out of it, he is as helpless as we r.

where have i bashed anyone, why you think that my every post in bashing someone :lol:
 
Thats the rule of world............
First make safe urself than think about the friend......
Pakistan is the only country in the world which thinks first about friends......

This is the land of lions & Lions don't need dogs for help.

Proud to be a Pakistani.

so why this lion need aid to fight terrorism ???
m not trolling here because GoP officially say that we need foreign help to fight with terrorism
 
Friends ..

It is good to see the discussion is heading in right direction.
I would appreciate if some one can give the list of names which pakistan considers close allies and how they are helping them.

How much money they are pumping into economy and how much for military/nuclear use? It would be better if we can arrange it in a order to get a clear picture. Please include US and China too !!

Cheers
 
Why dont india call for Russian soldiers to fight Moist rebels. ???

In this time china gave us many hardware on soft loans. US is giving Aid. I dont know anything about KSA neither i care. Turkey is not stopping any projects with Pakistan because of the financial crisis Pakistan is having. What else you think allies do. Pakistan in not in any alliance in which it allows foreign country troops to operate in Pakistan.

Maoist rebel is India's internal problem and India can & would able to handle Maoist with Iron Hand at the same time with humanitarian approach.
India does not require allies to fight on it's behalf. pak internal situation is in shamble due to their own wrong policies. In Hindu Mythology there's a Character called "Bhasmasur" (self Destructive) and Pak is the modern day Bhasmasur.
 
Maoist rebel is India's internal problem and India can & would able to handle Maoist with Iron Hand at the same time with humanitarian approach.
India does not require allies to fight on it's behalf. pak internal situation is in shamble due to their own wrong policies. In Hindu Mythology there's a Character called "Bhasmasur" (self Destructive) and Pak is the modern day Bhasmasur.

similar with india when it comes to moists. cant stop admiring how ur damn smart policy makers handled this issue in last many years
 
Friends ..

It is good to see the discussion is heading in right direction.
I would appreciate if some one can give the list of names which pakistan considers close allies and how they are helping them.

How much money they are pumping into economy and how much for military/nuclear use? It would be better if we can arrange it in a order to get a clear picture. Please include US and China too !!

Cheers
Nice post buddy and nice thread too.
 
Thats the rule of world............
First make safe urself than think about the friend......
Pakistan is the only country in the world which thinks first about friends......

This is the land of lions & Lions don't need dogs for help.

Proud to be a Pakistani.

Buddy Lion by its nature is a smart thinker and has strength to execute it, But a dog will bark even at an elephant but will do nothing more than harming itself.:cheers:
 
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My God, every Indian who come on this forum assumes that Indian won the wars, go and read many threads written to clarify that.

Just a hint, India interfered in east Pakistan and trained traiters like Mukti Buhini for saveral years and than interferd in Pakistani internal affairs.

are u telling us that we are wrong to be allied with U.S. of A. very strange.

When u tow the Russian line in declaring UR self a non alligned country, u should know that U.R.and were fullfilling Russian desires and that is why they suported u.
it has nothing to do with being nonalligned, u did not stop there, U suported Russians invation of Afghanistan, of Vietnam and other advanture, so don't go telling us that Russia does and donot influence u.

Get off your false and self praising nonaligned thing, u were with Rusians. Cupish. Dude.

Buddy
if pakistan has won the 1948 war then kashmir would be an integral part of pakistan now?
If pakistan has won the 1965 war then why would you go to Russia an Indian friend for peace treaty why not US or China?
If pakistan has won 1971 war why is bangladesh formed?
If pakistan has won the kargil war then why is kargil an integral part of india?

India may have started non alignment movement but it needed a friend in Russia pursue its interests in the world platform.
:cheers:
 
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