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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

In the absence of any information coming from China for this long, US intelligence sources are the only source of neutral information we have on China's casualties. :agree:

Love how Pakistanis believed unnamed US officials completely when they claimed that all Pakistani F-16 were accounted for after the clash with Indian Air Force. Then they were very unbiased. But now suddenly they are biased. :lol:

This website has no credibility and if their Intel wanted to leak info it would be to WP or the NYT, even then they are hardly neutral. But all this is mute, when the PLA are firmly in occupation of the Galwan valley and around 60 square km of indian claimed territory.
 
That casualty figure you are constantly cheering about came from that rubbish media only kiyun ki huzoor ne toh kuch bola hi nhi. And this is why I said no one have time here to think. Rehen do bhai.
bus aik baat such hai

india apni auqaat se ziada bolta hai
or phir maar khata hai .
its nto time to control tangue and media ? i think in last 2 years you guys got so much humiliation form both fronts ab to hosh karo .wo tumhari 60km zameen bhi le gay or achi maar bhi mari
dosry ne tumhara jet mar giraya tum per missile mary or pilot ki dhulai ki

or kitni beizaati karao gay apni ? . india is not any power even nepal shouting you . come back in sense now man ;

What are you talking about? Long before army brief Indian media reported the casualty figure.
and you thin we were satisfied ? when your media claimed 3 deaths we were saying its not 3 its more . go read in past pages almost everyone was saying a colonel can not be dead simply alone its long chian . how many people work under colonel ? and its true 20 dead still i think thee is some jhol jhal in this figure too ,
 
Yaar aap log mujhe ek bat samjhain. Indian media and establishment jab reasonably transparent ho kay sabko batati hai ki humarey kitney aadmi shaheed hue, pehle bola tha 3.. fir paanch.. fir bees ka bhi khulasa kara, shayad aagey aur bhi shaheed hongey :(

aur aap logon ne inki baat maan li

vohi media China ke figures ki baat kare, toh aap unko jhoota bolte ho

aaj USA ki media ne pehli baar apni intelligences sources quote kar ke kuch kaha hai.. and mashallah, aapne unpe bhi jhoot ka ilzaam laga dia fat se !

Meri darkhwast aapse bas itni hi hai, ki aap Cheen ki khamoshi pe bhi zara gaur karein :pdf:
Your US intelligence news has been discussed in the morning. People have questioned that already.


First of all, when the US intelligence approaches media, it goes to renowned media outlets. Secondly, US intelligence doesn't do damage assessment quickly. Thirdly, there was no presence of US intelligence on the ground. Lastly, the article's language of this low grade media outlet tells that it has been written on a request to please certain quarters or as an advertisement to increase viewership.


There is no credible media outlet sharing any intelligence information. US intelligence didn't disclose the damage assessment on 27th February too. When a renowned Foreign Policy's Pentagon official correspondent disclosed about "No F-16 was lost on 27th Feb".. it was based on credible information obtained after counting the number of jets in Pakistan. The news took time, it was based on expected count that is performed by US officials on a periodic basis on the inventory of US assets in Pakistan, with the agreement of Pakistani officials. Indians rubbished foreign policy's report, trolled the correspondent on Twitter so much that she had to come up with explanations.


There were other forensic experts who performed damage assessment of balakot strikes and found that no bomb hit any building in Pakistan and Pakistan's claim that a few trees were burnt/ destroyed was true. The same facts were repeated by one of the reporter Christine Fair, who is pro India and anti Pakistan. You guys started abusing her too on social media. Your retired brigadier trolled her in a conference and she had to take him to cleaners.


In short, when the experts will start disclosing their assessments, the whole world will know.. it will not be like US intelligence officials approaching an online news website which mostly deals with rankings of colleges, universities, cars etc (in that too, it is somewhat controversial).
 
Yaar aap log mujhe ek bat samjhain. Indian media and establishment jab reasonably transparent ho kay sabko batati hai ki humarey kitney aadmi shaheed hue, pehle bola tha 3.. fir paanch.. fir bees ka bhi khulasa kara, shayad aagey aur bhi shaheed hongey :(

aur aap logon ne inki baat maan li

vohi media China ke figures ki baat kare, toh aap unko jhoota bolte ho

aaj USA ki media ne pehli baar apni intelligences sources quote kar ke kuch kaha hai.. and mashallah, aapne unpe bhi jhoot ka ilzaam laga dia fat se !

Meri darkhwast aapse bas itni hi hai, ki aap Cheen ki khamoshi pe bhi zara gaur karein :pdf:

wohi USA bolay F-16 nahi gira tau ap ko believe karne main diqqat ati

China jeet kar bhi khamosh rahay ga
 
This website has no credibility and if their Intel wanted to leak info it would be to WP or the NYT, even then they are hardly neutral. But all this is mute, when the PLA are firmly in occupation of the Galwan valley and around 60 square km of indian claimed territory.


US News and World Report is definitely a credible organization.
 
According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.
Lets see it from different optics.
According to the Chinese assessment, the U.S government considers the casualties* among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.
*in Iraq & Afghanistan
 
India-China clash: Modi says soldiers' deaths 'will not be in vain'
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India's prime minister has said the deaths of at least 20 soldiers in a fight with Chinese troops in a disputed Himalayan border area "will not be in vain".

Narendra Modi said India would be "proud that our soldiers died fighting the Chinese" in the clash in the Ladakh region on Monday.

Soldiers reportedly brawled with sticks, bats and bamboo sticks studded with nails. No shots were fired.

Both sides blamed each other.

It is the first deadly clash between the two sides in the border area, in the disputed Kashmir region, in at least 45 years. Some Indian soldiers are still believed to be missing.

India's army said China also suffered casualties but Beijing has given no details.

The Indian statement notes that injured soldiers were "exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain".

As each side traded accusations, India said China had tried to "unilaterally change the status quo". Beijing accused Indian troops of "attacking Chinese personnel".

The two armies later held talks to try to defuse tensions.

What happened?
The fighting occurred in the precipitous, rocky terrain of the strategically important Galwan Valley, which lies between China's Tibet and India's Ladakh.

Indian media say soldiers engaged in direct hand-to-hand combat, with some "beaten to death". During the fight, one newspaper reported, others fell or were pushed into a river.
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The Indian army initially said a colonel and two soldiers had died. It later said that "17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty" and died from their injuries, taking the "total that were killed in action to 20".

"I understand that some [further] Indian soldiers went missing. The Indian side is still working to release them from the Chinese custody," defence analyst Ajai Shukla told the BBC.

Indian forces appear to have been massively outnumbered by Chinese troops.

A senior Indian military official told the BBC there were 55 Indians versus 300 Chinese, who he described as "the Death Squad".

"They hit our boys on the head with metal batons wrapped in barbed wire. Our boys fought with bare hands," the officer, who did not want to be named, said.

His account, which could not be verified, tallies with other reports in the Indian media detailing the savagery of the combat.

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Image captionA satellite image of Galwan Valley shows the rocky and barren terrain
The clash has provoked protests in India, with people burning Chinese flags.

Addressing the confrontation for the first time in a televised address on Wednesday, Prime Minister Modi said: "India wants peace but when provoked, India is capable of giving a fitting reply, be it any kind of situation.

"The country will be proud that our soldiers died fighting the Chinese."

He said he wanted to "assure the nation" the loss of the soldiers would "not be in vain". "For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important," he added.

China has accused India of crossing the border onto the Chinese side. Its foreign ministry said on Wednesday it wanted to avoid further clashes but gave no further details.

It has not confirmed how many of its personnel died or were injured. The BBC's Robin Brant in Beijing says that China has never given contemporaneous confirmation on military deaths outside of peacekeeping duties.

Our correspondent adds that on this occasion China's propagandists may not want to fan nationalist flames at home by making much of any loss, or admit to a significant and demoralising loss.

This is not the first time the two nuclear-armed neighbours have fought without conventional firearms on the border. India and China have a history of face-offs and overlapping territorial claims along the more than 3,440km (2,100 mile), poorly drawn Line of Actual Control (LAC) separating the two sides.

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India shows restraint
Analysis by Geeta Pandey, BBC News, Delhi

The first comments from the Indian government on the violent standoff on the Chinese border came nearly 24 hours after the news broke on Tuesday.

And Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his cabinet colleagues - the defence minister and the home minister - have chosen their words carefully.

Usually boastful and given to grandstanding, Mr Modi and his ministers have displayed utmost restraint in their public messages this time, mostly sticking to mourning the loss of soldiers.

The prime minister did say: "India wants peace but, if instigated, it is capable of giving a befitting reply." But this is seen as aimed more at his political rivals and supporters domestically, rather than as a warning to Beijing.

China is not Pakistan and memories of the humiliating defeat in the 1962 war are all too real for any misadventure.

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How tense is the area?
The LAC is poorly demarcated. The presence of rivers, lakes and snowcaps means the line can shift. The soldiers either side - representing two of the world's largest armies - come face-to-face at many points.

Border patrols have often bumped into each other, resulting in occasional scuffles.


The last firing on the border happened in 1975 when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh. The clash was variously described by former diplomats as an ambush and an accident.

But no bullets have been fired since.

At the root of this is a 1996 bilateral agreement that says "neither side shall open fire... conduct blast operations or hunt with guns or explosives within two kilometres of the Line of Actual Control".

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But there have been tense confrontations along the border in recent weeks. In May Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows on the border at Pangong Lake, also in Ladakh, and in the north-eastern Indian state of Sikkim.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan Valley and says China occupies 38,000 sq km (14,700 sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The two countries have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising again now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root.

The two countries have devoted extensive money and manpower to building roads, bridges, rail links and air fields along the disputed border.

Both India and China see each other's construction efforts as calculated moves to gain a tactical advantage, and tensions often flare up when either announces a major project.

Following the latest clash between China and India, the United Nations urged both sides "to exercise maximum restraint".

"We take positive note of reports that the two countries have engaged to de-escalate the situation," UN associate spokesperson Eri Kaneko said.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000 sq km - with Pakistan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53073338

LOL what is Modi going to do?
 
Your US intelligence news has been discussed in the morning. People have questioned that already.


First of all, when the US intelligence approaches media, it goes to renowned media outlets. Secondly, US intelligence doesn't do damage assessment quickly. Thirdly, there was no presence of US intelligence on the ground. Lastly, the article's language of this low grade media outlet tells that it has been written on a request to please certain quarters or as an advertisement to increase viewership.


There is no credible media outlet sharing any intelligence information. US intelligence didn't disclose the damage assessment on 27th February too. When a renowned Foreign Policy's Pentagon official correspondent disclosed about "No F-16 was lost on 27th Feb".. it was based on credible information obtained after counting the number of jets in Pakistan. The news took time, it was based on expected count that is performed by US officials on a periodic basis on the inventory of US assets in Pakistan, with the agreement of Pakistani officials. Indians rubbished foreign policy's report, trolled the correspondent on Twitter so much that she had to come up with explanations.


There were other forensic experts who performed damage assessment of balakot strikes and found that no bomb hit any building in Pakistan and Pakistan's claim that a few trees were burnt/ destroyed was true. The same facts were repeated by one of the reporter Christine Fair, who is pro India and anti Pakistan. You guys started abusing her too on social media. Your retired brigadier trolled her in a conference and she had to take him to cleaners.


In short, when the experts will start disclosing their assessments, the whole world will know.. it will not be like US intelligence officials approaching an online news website which mostly deals with rankings of colleges, universities, cars etc (in that too, it is somewhat controversial).
they will open threads even PTV or ummat publish the news of chinese deaths now :lol: dont you see at 27 feb sir ? they need anyone just any random tweeter say f-16 was down they start jumping :taz:
 
US news is the only source... why aren't other US media outlets reporting the same? This intelligence analyst appears to be an Indian twitter handle :D
 
they will open threads even PTV or ummat publish the news of chinese deaths now :lol: dont you see at 27 feb sir ? they need anyone just any random tweeter say f-16 was down they start jumping :taz:
I remember one of their news channels showed F-16 brand naswar packet on TV.. that was also taken from a Pakistani's trolling on twitter. lol
 

At 0:29 he says his "jawaan Shaheed"???... Shaheed? That's an Islamic Muslim concept!... Your soldiers cannot become Pakistani Muslim at death!... There is no such thing as a Hindu Shaheed!... It's supposed to be reincarnated.

Why are Indians trying to boost their moral by claiming to be pakistani Shaheed???
 

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