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PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

J-31 and pretty much any 5th gen is currently out of reach of Pakistan, mostly because they aren't ready for sale yet.

pakistan still has a huge amount of F-7s and mirages that need replacing, and Thunder is the easiest and cheapest way to do so. The purchase of J-10C is a good way to hasten the retirement of older fighters, but thunder remains the cheapest.

PAF has always set the number of thunder purchases at around 300.
Of course the JF-17 is a cheaper option, but it is not a better option. The J-10C is a superior aircraft. You can't compare a JF-17 to a "pure" air superiority fighter like the J-10C.
 
Of course the JF-17 is a cheaper option, but it is not a better option. The J-10C is a superior aircraft. You can't compare a JF-17 to a "pure" air superiority fighter like the J-10C.
PAF has always operated a mix of high-low fighters, the main bulk of the fighters in PAF will be Thunders (low), and a small amount will be made up of J-10s and f-16s (High).

Pakistan can't afford to buy 500 j-10s and replace their entire fleet with them.
 
J10C , has delta wing , which tend to make a plane more agile and maneuverability, is higher. Also the Engines they have is a bit more powerful , so in hands of a experienced pilot , these birds will be great asset.

The J10CP Engine , is also able to do advance Engine Thrust , adjustments which allow pilots to perform unique in flight moves for close Dog Fights

The weapons package appear very similar to Thunders , but he J10C has more missile carriage, so it impacts individual missions slightly. If inducted in number the benefits will benefit Pakistan's Airforce over all capabilities.

Also J10C , can also fill roles which Mirages have with respect to anti , SAM delivery platform.

The Computer & Avionics package is very similar on both platforms , the block IIIs have enjoyed some impressive improvements so over all capabilities is boosted for PAF.

In term of similarities

F-16A/B ------------Successor --------------> JF17-II / JF-III
Mirage---------------Successor --------------> J10CP

**JF-17 Block III are suppose to be more advance then F16 C/D

Since we are upgrading our Jet from Mirage standard , last upgrade done in 90's to 2022 standard , for J10 , the upgrade is not only on mechanical level but Avionics and on board computer systems , and pilot's situational awareness

Originally many folks in 2009 claimed, Pakistan will fly almost 250 JF-17 Thunders Block JF17-II / JF-III by 2015
  1. Still good 100 craft short of target
  2. Good 4-5 Year gap from targets due to decision to make JF-17 2B model and also a bit extra time needed for JF-17 Block III

It is fair to Assume , 30-75 J10CP would be needed to balance the retirement of Mirage fleet
  1. First batch is being inducted on March 23rd
  2. Numbers could increase to match our current F16 Fleet Numbers


Possible future Configuration for PAF
  • 75- F16 C/D
  • 100 - J10-CP
  • 250 - JF17 Block II & JF17-Block III
  • ??? - Azm [Design & Research Phase]

Retired Or Sell to Friendly Airforce or reposition on Western Front
  • Mirage
  • F-7P

Project Azm is dead so that take out of the picture for good at best case scenario it'll be an off the shelf Chinese option.

I would rather see:

- 75 F-16s
- 150 - J-10C
- 350 JF-17
- 100 - Stealth - Chinese

Total Force: 725 Combat Aircraft

The Jf-17 is more of a force multiplier in my opinion in the high-low mix.

Move the Mirages over to the Navy and create an independent Air Arm separate from the Air Force. I have been crying to this military establishment to get its own independent arm, cause that money on ships be going to waste without any air cover that tonnage in the ocean will be sitting duck.
 
Project Azm is dead so that take out of the picture for good at best case scenario it'll be an off the shelf Chinese option.

I would rather see:

- 75 F-16s
- 150 - J-10C
- 350 JF-17
- 100 - Stealth - Chinese

Total Force: 725 Combat Aircraft

The Jf-17 is more of a force multiplier in my opinion in the high-low mix.

Move the Mirages over to the Navy and create an independent Air Arm separate from the Air Force. I have been crying to this military establishment to get its own independent arm, cause that money on ships be going to waste without any air cover that tonnage in the ocean will be sitting duck.
Azm is not dead... but delayed.... The resources are directed towards "off the shelf options" ...including Emphasis on Naval Air Arm
 
Azm is not dead... but delayed.... The resources are directed towards "off the shelf options" ...including Emphasis on Naval Air Arm

Its dead key people have left the team and went else-were @JamD and others know.
 
Hi my friend guest of honour though military head been to India shaking hands and make defence pact with Indian army under the picture behind him signing of surrendering
by TIGER Niazi don’t get me wrong
we don’t even have that much leverage on Saudi army general to deny press picture under that particular picture of Pakistan army
I’m shocked what were beloved and war on terror general doing in Saudi Arabia if he can’t ask Saudi general not to release those pictures
if I say anything on this forum lots & lots will be after my posts
but nobody willing to mention it
thanks & regards
Let them taste the Indian flavor. If they are willing to be in the bed with them let them be.
MBS is running to fast, not good for him. They were pissing last time when trump threaten to take back their security. He showed them their real worth.
When it comes to face the front whole peninsula is on their knees then what are they good at.
Politics is another field it keeps going whatever develops on other aspects, so let it be.
 
He is someone promoting PAF and Pakistan. That should be enough. Let's not start the Pakistani Dalit habit of tearing our own down while worshiping whitie....
@Dalit i did not know you were worshiping whites…. Is this a new thing…… I call dibs on Julia and Emma Roberts……. Joking aside, though I don’t always agree with your assessment, I still believe you have a strong voice in this discourse

K

Pretty good analysis done here on the new batch of J-10C for PAF based on recent leaked pics.



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Yes his analysis is pretty shit I like advance Pakistan as there is thinking there, dekho suno jano is also very good.

When I want to listen to the ISI directly i tune in haqeeqat tv

K
 
Has the PAF ever gone up against F-22s and F-35s in exercises? I have a feeling the next Shaheen exercises might pit PAF J-10CPs against PLAAF J-20s towards the end to give a feel for what going up against a stealth fighter is like in non-stealth if they haven't experienced it yet (as well as promote the need for PAF to acquire FC-31s). ;)
 
Has the PAF ever gone up against F-22s and F-35s in exercises? I have a feeling the next Shaheen exercises might pit PAF J-10CPs against PLAAF J-20s towards the end to give a feel for what going up against a stealth fighter is like in non-stealth if they haven't experienced it yet (as well as promote the need for PAF to acquire FC-31s). ;)
F-22 at ATLC 2009 in UAE
 

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