Where is Islam in Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Exactly, sir. Now why dont you take this point as

If the elected Caliphs do excellent work, you dont need to vote.

If you don't vote, then how is the Caliph elected?

 

[Sinnerman108]

If you don't vote, then how is the Caliph elected?

I am not aware of any Caliphs being elected...

Caliphs are SELECTED

 

[Myth_buster_1]

This is not the time or the point to discuss what you are discussing.

My suggestion is, that please remove / amend the pics.

Okay i will do that.

but my stance is still clear..

I am not in supportive of mullahs who have no education do no good to the society and are forcing islam according to their own needs.

Please PM me what u mean.

thanks

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am not aware of any Caliphs being elected...

Caliphs are SELECTED

Selected by whom?

Who determines the selectors?

 

[Sinnerman108]

Selected by whom?

Who determines the selectors?

Good question,

The first 4 Caliphs were hand picked,

The fact of the matter is, the same can be true today,

If as in a Caliph we actually believe and have faith, that he ( The Caliphs) is Allah's second in command on earth.

Shall we have any doubt in their decision ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You have ignored the posts which clearly states Islam is not just a individual practice but something that is to be practice together with the society.

Islam is not just a practice of praying fasting reading quran. Its a way of life its a law and guidance. etc.

Democracy is not Flawless unlike Islam. And a real muslim does not brings the level of Islam down to the laws that were created by HUMANS.

I have ignored nothing - you and the others advocating an 'Islamic System' have been unable to define such a system and provide details on how it is to function and what makes it better/different than the basic Democratic principles we know of today.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Good question,

The first 4 Caliphs were hand picked,

The fact of the matter is, the same can be true today,

If as in a Caliph we actually believe and have faith, that he ( The Caliphs) is Allah's second in command on earth.

Shall we have any doubt in their decision ?

Who is going to 'hand pick' the Caliph today?

Who picks the 'hand pickers'?

 

[Sinnerman108]

Who is going to 'hand pick' the Caliph today?

Who picks the 'hand pickers'?

Chicken and egg really but here goes ...

Thinking out loud ...

A group of Scholars, who may have gone through a process
which appeals to general public's acceptance by in large.

This does not equate to a donkey and a horse casting equal voice.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Ok - i watched most of it, and it offers no details, just an articulation of policy changes such as ending privatization etc.

The speaker says that 'power plants shall be owned by the people, and the Khalifa will appoint someone to manage them', but he does not answer the central issue of providing details on how an 'Islamic System' is to function.

Thank you for that... Now I can give you some details about how the system is to function...

To simplify the complexities of ruling... We can discuss the following

1. Ruling System
2. Economic System
3. Social System
4. Foreign Policy
5. Judicial System ... etc

I ll send you two books now about Ruling System as well as how the state generates funds...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Actually this may benefit other readers also... So i ll post it here instead of to you in private...

http://www.hizb-pakistan.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the_ruling_system_of_islam.pdf

Enjoy reading it... It gives most of the details of how Government is structured in Islam...

The second book can wait actually...

 

[Xestan]

Actually this may benefit other readers also... So i ll post it here instead of to you in private...

http://www.hizb-pakistan.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the_ruling_system_of_islam.pdf

Enjoy reading it... It gives most of the details of how Government is structured in Islam...

The second book can wait actually...

Well... I have a better solution for that..

Watch Zaid Hamid's Khilafat e Rashida series, everything is explained so beautifully Mash'ALLAH.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I have ignored nothing - you and the others advocating an 'Islamic System' have been unable to define such a system and provide details on how it is to function and what makes it better/different than the basic Democratic principles we know of today.

remeber u said Islam is a personal practice and i proved you wrong.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

If you don't vote, then how is the Caliph elected?

You guys have not read my posting on this topic a few days ago... An Indian based in Malaysia was asking these questions... I simply cant retype all I did to explain it to him... Let me see if I can get that thread...

Actually bhai Agnos... You simply need to put this in search engine of the forum " How is Caliph Selected" and you ll get this thread...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/31228-another-blasphemy-case-7.html

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Chicken and egg really but here goes ...

Thinking out loud ...

A group of Scholars, who may have gone through a process
which appeals to general public's acceptance by in large.

This does not equate to a donkey and a horse casting equal voice.

YES exactly..

plus media can play a big roll.. of course not the type of BS media we have today. media can be part of check and balance system that informs the public.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Actually this may benefit other readers also... So i ll post it here instead of to you in private...

http://www.hizb-pakistan.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the_ruling_system_of_islam.pdf

Enjoy reading it... It gives most of the details of how Government is structured in Islam...

The second book can wait actually...

bro why is the page blank?