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What would happen if US, EU, Japan, S.Korea completely cut business with China?

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What does this trade consist of? How much of it are Disney character pillows and happy birthday balloons?

Without China people won't have a bunch of consumer goods, without the west no one's going to have chips, advanced machinery, advanced medical electronics, a ton of software that the west is superior at etc
 
because you want to sastify nationalists then you are welcome.
It's not nationalism, toppling centuries old western global domination and their self imposed rule of law is what all non western countries and nations should do.

Without China people won't have a bunch of consumer goods, without the west no one's going to have chips, advanced machinery, advanced medical electronics, a ton of software that the west is superior at etc
China can also make them, even most Iphones and Tesla are made in China now, tell me one thing the people use everyday that China can't make, can you?
 
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It's not nationalism, toppling centuries old western global domination and their self imposed rule of law is what all non western countries and nations should do.


China can also make them, even most Iphones and Tesla are made in China now, tell me one thing the people use everyday that China can't make, can you?
Look, Vietnam always look to China for spiritualism. also, I am a fan of China. I don’t want to see you to suffer. If you were from Cambodia I don’t care of, do what you like.

As for iPhone, Tesla or overpriced made in China french bags, it would take 5 years then made in China is made by someone else.

You can study the case of Russia it takes 1 year after the war breaks out then Russia is irrelevant.
 
As for iPhone, Tesla or overpriced made in China french bags, it would take 5 years then made in China is made by someone else.

You can study the case of Russia it takes 1 year after the war breaks out then Russia is irrelevant.
It's never that easy and also China can make their equivalents, Nokia used to be top dog for phones and now there are nowhere to be found, In 5 years they could be squeezed out of the market like other western brands before them.

China is not Russia and even China and west are interdependent now but the west is still more dependent on China. China can sell to emerging markets, now China's biggest trading partner is ASEAN, but the west can't find a viable alternative for China very soon, supply chains take decades to built and to be perfected.
 
It's never that easy and also China can make their equivalents, Nokia used to be top dog for phones and now there are nowhere to be found, In 5 years they could be squeezed out of the market like other western brands before them.

China is not Russia and even China and west are interdependent now but the west is still more dependent on China. China can sell to emerging markets, now China's biggest trading partner is ASEAN, but the west can't find a viable alternative for China very soon, supply chains take decades to built and to be perfected.
If China cuts off every tie to the West today then It will take 5 years or 10 years in worst case scenario to rearrange then everything goes back to normality.

Putin made the same assumption like you, Europe won’t survive without Russia market, without oil, gas, minerals and other stuffs from Russia.
 
If China cuts off every tie to the West today then It will take 5 years or 10 years in worst case scenario to rearrange then everything goes back to normality.

Putin made the same assumption like you, Europe won’t survive without Russia market, without oil, gas, minerals and other stuffs from Russia.
Russia is a natural resources exporter. Banning Russia is no different than banning Iran for the west. Banning China is a totally different story.

What does this trade consist of? How much of it are Disney character pillows and happy birthday balloons?

Without China people won't have a bunch of consumer goods, without the west no one's going to have chips, advanced machinery, advanced medical electronics, a ton of software that the west is superior at etc
If believing China is still a pillow or balloon exporter makes you feel better
 
Russia is a natural resources exporter. Banning Russia is no different than banning Iran for the west. Banning China is a totally different story.


If believing China is still a pillow or balloon exporter makes you feel better
There is no difference.

The only difference is China is 10x bigger elephant than Russia.
 
wrong.
America rose from devastating civil war and became world's most powerful nation in the history of mankind.
@VCheng
Depends on how long can be called history, In China when we say the word history, it stretches back to thousands of years.
 
Depends on how long can be called history, In China when we say the word history, it stretches back to thousands of years.
I respect the old Chinese history it was great in its time.
for that time to present time no nation is that advanced and powerful as America is.
from technological development advances in science and global military reach.
 
I encounter a similar question on guancha earlier.
Anyway, complete decoupling isn't possible considering all these countries' capitalist classes still want the money from the chinese market.

The only way to stop this is for these countries to go full socialist, but that's besides the point.
 
My conclusion is: Both China and the west are the victims. But China will be the winne
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if this article was written by some western guy. His view would be:

My conclusion is: Both China and the West are victims. But the West will be the winner.

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Whether or not can or will the west decouple completely from China is a different question altogether.

But if the question is focus on what would happen if NA (US + Canada + Mexico) + EU + South Korea + Japan + most Western European western country (such as Australia + Singapore + New Zealand and so on) ignore China.

The answer is simple, look at the world purchasing power index and then talk about where your stuff is going to sell to when you lost access to all those markets?

 
Without China's global supply chain, western market as we know it today will be gone first, they will become a bunch of developing countries scamble to struggle for their daily needs.
You have too many goods in your store and have trouble to sell them all is better than you have nothing in your store.
 
100% decoupling is not possible. Especially for EU. Every country has its own independent China policy. Supposing this extreme scenario happens, what the world would be like?

My conclusion is: Both China and the west are the victims. But China will be the winner.

For China, Of course there would be short term economic chaos. But I believe Chinese living standard will resume to the level of today in 5 years. In 2021, China’s trade surplus with US is 676 billion USD. With EU the trade surplus is 250 billion USD. China has trade deficit with Japan and S.Korea. Overall China will lose 900 billion USD trade surplus. It won’t hurt China too much in the long run. 1)SE Asian countries, India, Latin American countries, African countries will benefit from the new cold war. And they will have bigger purchasing power for Chinese goods. 2)China’s FX reserve benefit Americans more than Chinese. China used most of its FX reserve to buy US debts. Which improves Americans welfare, instead of Chinese. Just like Chinese economist Wen Tiejun said: “China is like a cow. US stripped its cowhide twice. First by using USD to import cheap goods from China. Second by selling US debts. Most US dollars will come back to US for free .”

For the west, the consequences of cold war 2.0 will be much more serious than arrogant westerners expected. China is not Soviet Union. Who was an armed natural resources exporter. Decoupling with China will hit west’s economy very hard.

From demand aspect to say. Westerners are optimistic because they are the low end and middle end products buyers and they believe China is replaceable. Fact is China is not replaceable. Building an intact no-China supply chain outside China needs huge amount of money. The west doesn’t have that money. Even if the new supply chain, at all odds, is successful built. It can not compete with China’s because only China can make best cost performance. People in the west have to pay more money for lower quality goods. This supply chain will specially serve for the western countries. Other non-west countries will still buy goods produced by China-in supply chain.

From supply aspect to say. The west firstly will lose China market. Which is 25% S.Korea total export, 50% Germany car export, 20% Apple sale. The number would be bigger if take the indirect export to China and investment income from China into account. Secondly, China will have to build its own high end goods industries. Once breakthroughs are made, China will sell them to other non-west countries. Western countries will become poorer for losing business to China in world market. Don’t doubt China has the ability to produce high end goods. It’s already happening in many fields. Semiconductor will be next.

The west will lose big part of money printing privilege. US dollar and Euro will definitely not be used in the China-in supply chain. Countries in this supply chain will not play west’s cow role anymore. Non-west countries will be richer. West will be poorer.

There are two reasons that guarantee China will win cold war 2.0.

1)China has an intelligent, hardworking, disciplined, creative work force. Which the west combined can not compete with in quantity, and in quality in the long run.

2)Average income of Chinese labors is much lower than west’s. Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not going to talk about low cost stuff. After full competition between the two camps, the income levels of the two sides will tend to reflect their real quality. Which means Chinese income will grow while westerners’ salary will drop, sharply. Which side will fall first then?
The most likely scenario would be that some other countries just jump on the chance and buy up Chinese products and resell them to the western countries at a premium and make tons of easy, effortless money
 
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