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THE NEWS
Monday, May 05, 2008
KHAR: A Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leader from Bajaur Agency on Sunday announced a ban on shaving of beards and threatened to punish violators according to the Shariah after the expiry of the three-month deadline.
 
what's funny, is that you're not allowed to do that according to shari'ah law. you can't force a practice down someone's throat.
 
If feel sorry for these guys….and I have no idea that which version of Islam they are following ,:undecided:… On a lighter note:-

You might be a Taliban if...

1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to shaving off beard.

2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

3. You have more wives than teeth.

4. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

5. You can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against.

6. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing

7. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off bombs.

8. You've always had a crush on your neighbour's goat.
 
Expect barbers to starve, lice populations to explode, and occasionally, the acrid smell of burning hair.
 
The media team, led by its host the DG ISPR, Major General Athar Abbas had the opportunity to interact with a group of IDPs. They narrated their sad plight, the torture they received at the hands of Baitullah Mehsud and his band, who tried to impose Talibanisation on the hapless residents by terrorising them with the threats of dire consequences. Mehsud's men, especially the infamous Qari Hussain alleged to be the master-mind behind the campaign of suicide bombings in Pakistan was engaged in indoctrinating and training suicide bombers.

Brigadier Ali Abbas, the commander of the brigade, that had carried the brunt of the attacks in Spinkai Raghzai area as part of Operation Zalzala launched on January 21, after Baitullah Mehsud razed the Sarararogha Fort, showed the ruins of two suicide-bombing-jacket factories and training schools.
Earlier, General Tariq informed the media that 52 children had been recovered from the clutches of Mehsud's men, who had been trained as suicide-bombers. The children were so innocent that asked they stated that when they grew up, they would become fighter pilots or lawyers, doctors and so on; oblivious of the gory end planned for them. They have been handed over to an NGO "Save the Children" for better upkeep and enabling them to return to normal lives.

The IDPs told this scribe that Mehsud's men would entice the children to come to the training camps under the pretext of teaching them how to ride motorbikes. Once in their clutches, they would use every trick to follow their diktat. The father of one recovered "suicide-bomber" tearfully told me that a child, who lost his nerve and wanted to return home, was publicly slaughtered by his mentors to strike terror in the hearts of the naive and innocent souls. Children between the ages of 12-20 were regularly indoctrinated, being issued with Shahadat certificates, promising a place in paradise along with forty close relatives. The children were taught Pashto hymns with wordings like "Oh Allah, I am coming to you but in pieces, O comrades bid me farewell..." and so on.

The GOC 14 Div showed us videos of the so-called nurseries for producing suicide-bombers. In a specifically gruesome scene, a young boy was urged to slit the throat of a uniformed Law Enforcing Officer. He gleefully obliged chanting "Allah-o-Akbar", raising the severed head of his victim. In another video, a young trainee was made to kill another boy, shooting him at point-blank range.

The training videos comprised lessons in rigging incendiary explosive devices (IEDs) from domestic utensils like water coolers, stuffed with explosives, assembling suicide bombing jackets and other deadly weapons.
The Waziristan tragedy | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

My heart weeps for these children and their parents.

How can anyone continue to be an apologist for these people anymore?
 
Yet these are the same people government of Pakistan is signing a peace treaty :hitwall:
 
Yet these are the same people government of Pakistan is signing a peace treaty :hitwall:

It's not a good argument. One could call up Abu Ghraib as the example of the American conduct, and claim "Yet these are the same people GoP is signing a treaty with"

It would be best if Pakistan did not mix with either the Taliban or the US Army. But being threatened with bombing by both, I think it's right to side with the US Army, as the best interests of Pakistan.
 
Abu Gharaib is not about terrorist acts. It was disgusting in human indignities and torture.

Mehsud is all about KILLING!

And KILLING his own countrymen, his own wide touted phase - Islamic Brothers!

Apples and Oranges.

That is the difference.

However, what is important is that Peace prevails soon. It is affecting the nation, its economy and what is worse, the national psyche!!

Afghans are no chums of Pakistan and so they should battle it out with the US and others without any assistance from anyone holding a Pakistani citizenship. If you live in Pakistan, then you must have your heart with Pakistan!
 
Abu Gharaib is not about terrorist acts. It was disgusting in human indignities and torture.

there were many deaths in custody of innocent people? isn't that terrorism? or is it only terrorism when mehsud kills innocents?

Mehsud is all about KILLING!

And KILLING his own countrymen, his own wide touted phase - Islamic Brothers!

Apples and Oranges.

That is the difference.

what difference is it? mehsud targets traitors and pak army. Some innocents die when a suicide bomber detonates. the us army kills some innocents when bombs explode on villages. the end result is that innocents are killed by both parties. can you see a difference? if so, point it out.

However, what is important is that Peace prevails soon. It is affecting the nation, its economy and what is worse, the national psyche!!

Afghans are no chums of Pakistan and so they should battle it out with the US and others without any assistance from anyone holding a Pakistani citizenship. If you live in Pakistan, then you must have your heart with Pakistan!

One cannot separate Afghanistan (eastern) from Pakistan (western). The Durand line is just an imaginary line noone pays attention too. Tribal bonds are too strong. What is Afghanistan's problem becomes Pakistan's, and Pakistan's becomes Afghanistan's.
 
there were many deaths in custody of innocent people? isn't that terrorism? or is it only terrorism when mehsud kills innocents?

what difference is it? mehsud targets traitors and pak army. Some innocents die when a suicide bomber detonates. the us army kills some innocents when bombs explode on villages. the end result is that innocents are killed by both parties. can you see a difference? if so, point it out.

Death in custody happens the world over. In Pakistan, in India and even elsewhere. It is terrorism? Further, those in jail have committed some offence.

Mehsud, on the other hand, kills innocents, many of them who have nothing to do with all this problem. That is cold blooded murder.

Who are these traitors Mehsud is killing? Is it treacherous to support your own govt? Are the PA treacherous also?

The US Army is carrying out a mission in an operation. When one sees a US Army drone, one can identify it and take action. It is an open for all to see. But a suicide bomber? He is a sneaky scoundrel who does not even give a person a chance. And you compare the two?

What is the locus standi of Mehsud? He is not a recognised authority of governance. Therefore, if he takes law into his own hands and kills innocents, he is a terrorist!


One cannot separate Afghanistan (eastern) from Pakistan (western). The Durand line is just an imaginary line noone pays attention too. Tribal bonds are too strong. What is Afghanistan's problem becomes Pakistan's, and Pakistan's becomes Afghanistan's.

I thought you or someone was educating me about Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban. And now I am told that there is no difference and great ties across the Durand Line! It is time people make up their minds.

In other words, you are stating Pakhtunwa is a strong concept! And the Durand Line is non negotiable. Even that (the first one) has been rubbished in this forum.

Therefore, one does not know what is the fact!!
 
Death in custody happens the world over. In Pakistan, in India and even elsewhere. It is terrorism? Further, those in jail have committed some offence.

What offence did these 100+ men commit?

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Report probes US custody deaths

Randomly picking up men off the street does not make them guilty especially when they've had no trial, and there has been a unilateral invasion based off flimsy evidence that was rejected by Hans Blix.

You will agree I think (unless I'm mistaken) that many detainees have died in US custody or become ghosts that nobody has found, perhaps more than Mehsud has callously beheaded? What is the difference here?

Mehsud, on the other hand, kills innocents, many of them who have nothing to do with all this problem. That is cold blooded murder.

Who are these traitors Mehsud is killing? Is it treacherous to support your own govt? Are the PA treacherous also?

One could say the US has killed 100+ people intentionally in cold blooded murder. What is the difference between beating someone till they form a big bloody mass, and beheading someone? End result = dead person.

Of course Mehsud acts unlawfully. My point, you've been missing, is so has the US army. So I don't see how one can be held morally to a higher level than the other.

The US Army is carrying out a mission in an operation. When one sees a US Army drone, one can identify it and take action. It is an open for all to see. But a suicide bomber? He is a sneaky scoundrel who does not even give a person a chance. And you compare the two?

When you fight an asymmetric battle you do not fight them face to face. You fight them asymmetrically. Any other method would be pointless suicide.

What is the locus standi of Mehsud? He is not a recognised authority of governance. Therefore, if he takes law into his own hands and kills innocents, he is a terrorist!

Yet one can also equate the unilateral action taken by the US against the recommendations of the security council in Iraq as taking the law into its own hands and killing innocents. What is the difference between Mehsud's actions here, and those of the US in Iraq? Both act or have acted pretty much unlawfully.

I thought you or someone was educating me about Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban. And now I am told that there is no difference and great ties across the Durand Line! It is time people make up their minds.

Pakistani Taliban is a different tribe from the Afghani Taliban. Local people fighting their own areas. The Durand line is just an imaginary border that everyone seems to ignore. If the Pakistani Taliban try and implement laws in Afghanistan they will probably be shot at. if the Pakistani Taliban go to Afghanistan to trade, they will not have a problem.

In other words, you are stating Pakhtunwa is a strong concept! And the Durand Line is non negotiable. Even that (the first one) has been rubbished in this forum.

I'm stating the Durand Line is irrelevant. Whether the Durand Line existed on a map or not, the people would still be crossing freely. it's not possible to stop them.
 
What offence did these 100+ men commit?

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Report probes US custody deaths

Randomly picking up men off the street does not make them guilty especially when they've had no trial, and there has been a unilateral invasion based off flimsy evidence that was rejected by Hans Blix.

You will agree I think (unless I'm mistaken) that many detainees have died in US custody or become ghosts that nobody has found, perhaps more than Mehsud has callously beheaded? What is the difference here?


One could say the US has killed 100+ people intentionally in cold blooded murder. What is the difference between beating someone till they form a big bloody mass, and beheading someone? End result = dead person.

Of course Mehsud acts unlawfully. My point, you've been missing, is so has the US army. So I don't see how one can be held morally to a higher level than the other.



When you fight an asymmetric battle you do not fight them face to face. You fight them asymmetrically. Any other method would be pointless suicide.



Yet one can also equate the unilateral action taken by the US against the recommendations of the security council in Iraq as taking the law into its own hands and killing innocents. What is the difference between Mehsud's actions here, and those of the US in Iraq? Both act or have acted pretty much unlawfully.



Pakistani Taliban is a different tribe from the Afghani Taliban. Local people fighting their own areas. The Durand line is just an imaginary border that everyone seems to ignore. If the Pakistani Taliban try and implement laws in Afghanistan they will probably be shot at. if the Pakistani Taliban go to Afghanistan to trade, they will not have a problem.



I'm stating the Durand Line is irrelevant. Whether the Durand Line existed on a map or not, the people would still be crossing freely. it's not possible to stop them.

Let us accept that the 100+ plus were innocent and the US is wrong.

But the fact that it is known is in itself indicates the accountability and transparency of the western system.

In fact, if it were not so, many more would have vanished and gone.

Can we say the same for Mehsud?

Does Mehsud indicate the same transparency and accountability?

Han Blix is the sole authority? Not that I feel that US is without blemish, but I would abhor wearing coloured glasses to push a point as you are prone to doing.

And what has he rejected?

And as far as randomly picking up people, how is it that you have suddenly developed amnesia? Have you forgotten how many were picked up in Pakistan without a trace and for which the ex CJ was all het up about and signatured his doom?

If you compare Mehsud with Abu Gharaib, then you do not understand the Pashtuns penchant for revenge and anger. There is enough of literature to indicate their cold bloodness and that is why they are feared as adversaries. They brook no remorse and no niceties. Have you not seen the clips of the beheadings in the football stadiums in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime?

Mehsud and the US Army cannot be compared. Mehsud is freelance and without authority of the country he belongs to, while the US Army intent is known and their actions are in consonance with their mission. By your logic, Jack the Ripper would assume legitimacy since his mission was against prostitutes of London and that too was indirectly backed by religion!!

Asymmetric battles is a fancy word that covers suicide bombers. Yet, it is the cowards who adopted the mode of killing people surreptitiously. I am surprised that the Pashtuns, whose fighting prowess is so lauded, have come to this sorry state where they behave like women in burkha! They appear to be losing their gurda!

The US action in Iraq is cognisable and cannot be seen. Mehsud's action is of a coward and cannot be seen before the act! That is the difference.

If you feel that the Durand Line is bogus, so be it. Try to sell it to the Pakistani govt.

The contention that there are two Talibans then also becomes bogus!
 
Moderators,

Please mind that they are not talibans they are militants.

Salim and other Indians please stay out of this discussion area. You always creating exaggeration and creating unrequired arguements
 
Yarmook,

Have you bought this Forum?

Are you any part of the organisation of this Forum?

If find that you are merely a Full Member with an Australian Flag and 206 posts.

I am a Senior Member flying the Indian Flag with 4307 posts.

Further, I am closer to the events than you sitting far away in Australia and safe enough instead of being where the action is, to do something worthwhile.

Have you read Agnostic Muslim's post. He flies the Pakistani Flag and is a Moderator and is living where the action is - Pakistan and not in some safe haven!

That is enough to tell you not to forget your station.

Please stop dictating terms as if you have bought this forum overnight and you are Tata or Mital!!

Now. let's get back to the issue and not claim that people (Indians) are exaggerating since Agnostic Muslim is not Indian and his post is very stark in analysis!! His comments most telling!

If you wish to weep for these people who are terrorists then address your pining to Agnostic Muslim since he has stated:

How can anyone continue to be an apologist for these people anymore?

Do feel free to correct us if we are wrong. but I find that your contributions are mostly these irrelevant and without authority admonishments and nothing substantial.
 

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