Language can unite (Hindi - Urdu)

[Leader]

are you searching this one?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/113593-aarakshan-caste-based-reservations-movie-theatrical-trailor.html

yes, yes, yes .........

noted down the release date.

 

[kingkobra]

yes, yes, yes .........

noted down the release date.

the word "aarakshan" means reservation in sanskrit,marathi,hindi and may be in many other indian languages..

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

there are many words that have sanskrit origins like your country's name..
it has stan..which originated from sanskrit sthan which means place..
...

No stan/istan apparently did not evolve from Sanskrit, but from a common predecessor. stan is the Persian calque (similar words meaning the same thing in related languages) of asthan, and Old Persian and Sanskrit were a bit like the Hindi Urdu of today - almost the same but somewhat different.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

for example ?

Oh that would be a long list. But attention needs to be paid that very similar words existed in all Prakrits not only Sanskrit, so we laymen can never be sure if an allegedly Sanskrit word is not actually a sister language word. What we can be relatively sure though is that that word has roots in a language that both Sanskrit and that sister language descended from. I know many Indians generally have difficulty believing there were older languages than Sanskrit in the same linguistic group because of their State's propaganda that Sanskrit is the somehow the mother of all North Indian languages, but that ain't accepted in academic circles. It's sisters died or evolved into Hindi, Marathi, Ori, Awadhi, Bihari, Sindhi, [insert language here] etc. They need to realize there's something theoretical but remarkable called PIE.

 

[Leader]

Oh that would be a long list. But attention needs to be paid that very similar words existed in all Prakrits not only Sanskrit, so we laymen can never be sure if an allegedly Sanskrit word is not actually a sister language word. What we can be relatively sure though is that that word has roots in a language that both Sanskrit and that sister language descended from. I know many Indians generally have difficulty believing there were older languages than Sanskrit in the same linguistic group because of their State's propaganda that Sanskrit is the somehow the mother of all North Indian languages, but that ain't accepted in academic circles. It's sisters died or evolved into Hindi, Marathi, Ori, Awadhi, Bihari, Sindhi, [insert language here] etc. They need to realize there's something theoretical but remarkable called PIE.

thanxs for the explanation, I aint good at how languages evolved, if you can explain the origin of hindi and urdu ? it would be appreciated...

indians here are of the view that indians movies are in hindi which I believe is perfectly understandable by those who know urdu, someone here stated its somewhat slang hindi and another called in hindustani... and that Hindi spoken in National Geography etc are pure hindi ?

 

[divya]

thanxs for the explanation, I aint good at how languages evolved, if you can explain the origin of hindi and urdu ? it would be appreciated...

indians here are of the view that indians movies are in hindi which I believe is perfectly understandable by those who know urdu, someone here stated its somewhat slang hindi and another called in hindustani... and that Hindi spoken in National Geography etc are pure hindi ?

No it isnt

I am sure you wont know the meaning of
dhumprapaan dandika
lau pat gaamini


But then people like me who write are quite obssessed with urdu when it comes to romantic shayari and prefer hindi for the veer ras(dont know whats it called in urdu/english but it is something like poetry which boils your blood.)

 

[Galaxy]

Oh that would be a long list. But attention needs to be paid that very similar words existed in all Prakrits not only Sanskrit, so we laymen can never be sure if an allegedly Sanskrit word is not actually a sister language word. What we can be relatively sure though is that that word has roots in a language that both Sanskrit and that sister language descended from. I know many Indians generally have difficulty believing there were older languages than Sanskrit in the same linguistic group because of their State's propaganda that Sanskrit is the somehow the mother of all North Indian languages, but that ain't accepted in academic circles. It's sisters died or evolved into Hindi, Marathi, Ori, Awadhi, Bihari, Sindhi, [insert language here] etc. They need to realize there's something theoretical but remarkable called PIE.

Sanskrit is the oldest of All Languages. Scriptures older than 5000 years have been found written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit created many languages.

Buddhism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Pali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Rigveda was used around 1500-2000 BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigveda

Panini - P.

Also, Indo-Iranian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Indo-Aryan - Indo-Aryan languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But Today, Sanskrit is not used in daily life. It helped in creating many languages like Hindi. What we Speak "Hindi" is not at all Sanskrit but inspired from Sanskrit and some other languages too. Language is never constant and it undergoes daily change with new phrases and words coming in existence.

What is Hindustani Language ? Hindi-Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It's mixture of many dialect from North India and not very old but only for few centuries and now used in 50% India and Pakistan too.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Sanskrit is the oldest of All Languages....

Voilà an example of a mind willfully disabled!

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

...
I am sure you wont know the meaning of
dhumprapaan dandika
lau pat gaamini
...

Hey I think I know the second one - a train, isn't it?

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

thanxs for the explanation, I aint good at how languages evolved, if you can explain the origin of hindi and urdu ? it would be appreciated...
...

That is a long and in parts ambiguous history. Can't really be told in a few words. Lot's of foreign spice in an indigenous broth, the exchange going both ways. The commonly-accepted hypothesis is this: Hindi or its earlier forms were supposedly in existence as one or more Prakrits when the last wave of NW'ern invasions made Farsi the rulers' language. But they were a motley crew themselves, their chiefs might have spoken Farsi but the common soldier spoke Mongoloian Turkish. And bear in mind there was a very large local base to those invasions. How do these different people interact - a potpourri of all those languages emerged: Urdu. The meaning of the word Urdu is said to have progressed army then military camp/cantonment (remember 'language of the camp' from schoolbooks) to organized dwelling to even royal court (urdu e mu3allaa - the high/exalted royal military encampment cum court). It is interesting that the equivalent word in English, Horde, paints a picture opposite to fine organisation, what it means to us. But the new language still worked on grammatical principles similar to the existing language, and the Turki and Farsi enrichment happened mostly in vocabulary. Note the words similar and mostly, because there are minority differences in both general rules. For example, one grammatical difference of the top of my mind with Hindi is personal pronouns ye, ya, wo/vo, wa/va versus only ye and wo in Urdu, while on the vocabulary side charchaa has different genders and different meanings, I'm not too sure of its Hindi meaning so not translating. Let's take another example - khulaaSa. Means summary in Urdu but apparently conversation, deliberation in Hindi. Getting on with the topic, yes Hindi was somewhat lost in popular culture because of the need of interaction with the Turkic rulers, but is now coming back in a big way. Which is problematic too, because Hindi is officially one language but in reality many Hindi-speakers will have difficulty understand each other completely, and standardizing one Hindi is going to take this linguistic diversity away.

 

[divya]

Hey I think I know the second one - a train, isn't it?

yeah
lau is fire
gaamini is something that moves

so the name derives from something that moves on fire though literally name does not make much sense in the world today but in those days it did had.... dhumrapaan is smoking dhumra is smoke....

 

[kingkobra]

Voilà an example of a mind willfully disabled!

obviously there were languages before sanskrit..
but those languages were not complete...
this is the reason why indus valley script is still not deciphered because it is not a complete language..

but sanskrit(meaning is complete and refined) existed way way long...

vedic sanskrit is supposed to be as old as 7000 years now as it mentions of river sarswati which is found to have dried out somewhere around 5000 BC..

but during vedic period this river was flowing full
How old are the Vedas and who can read them? : Seva blogs on sulekha, Religion blogs, Seva blog from india

no doubt that sanskrit is the grammatically most perfect language in the world..panini is therefore considered as father of "normal form" used in computer languages..

 

[paritosh]

yeah
lau is fire
gaamini is something that moves

so the name derives from something that moves on fire though literally name does not make much sense in the world today but in those days it did had.... dhumrapaan is smoking dhumra is smoke....

it is "loh path gamini"
loh=loha=iron
path=path(the english word meaning a way)
gamini=jaane wali (mover)
hence...one that moves on an iron path...
these words are bogus words...created very recently just for ego satisfaction...no body had trains back then or ciggs..
table tennis is called :"Kasht prakoshtake de tappa tam le tappa tam"
meaning "lakdi ke table par....de tappa tam le tappa tam"!!

 

[paritosh]

A lot of latin words have also come up from sanskrit...
navy comes from nau maeaning a boat...
father's latin word is same as sanskrit's(correct me if I am wrong)...it's pitra...hindi derivation being pita...
mother is matra or matre...mata being uswd in hindi now...
brother being bhrata...
horse is aswa in latin and sanskrit...
brotehr is frater in latin and bhratra in sanskrit...
the germanic grammar also stems from sanksritic grammar...i am not sure..can anybody confirm this?

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

...
table tennis is called :"Kasht prakoshtake de tappa tam le tappa tam"
meaning "lakdi ke table par....de tappa tam le tappa tam"!!

I can bet my car that that monstrosity will never catch on! When you invent a word that is longer than many simple sentences in that language, you're doing it wrong!