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Vietnam acknowledged Chinese sovereignty over South China Sea in 1958

Either your brain is chopped off in half or your logic is broken in half.

Pham said: "The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agreed to terms of China's public statement in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim."

What is " terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim?"

Your handicapped brain only grasps "12 miles" which is in fact "twelve nautical miles", whereas China's declaration says: "1. The breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China shall be twelve nautical miles. This provision applies to all territories of the People's Republic of China including the Chinese mainland and its coastal islands, as well as Taiwan and its surrounding islands, the Penghu Islands, the Dongsha Islands, the Xisha Islands, the Zhongsha Islands, the Nansha Islands and all other islands belonging to China which are separated from the mainland and its coastal islands by the high seas."

Your reading capability is laughable!

North Vietnam does not have the sovereign over Paracel and Spartly (Viet Cong and South Vietnam does, and they already protested China's invasion). So North Vietnam does not have the right to discuss about the sovereignty over Paracel and Spartly. Can North Korea give Seoul to China?
North Vietnam only can agree with 12 sea miles territory and they only did it
 
Sir, I see that you can not understand the mean:
1. DRV did not own these islands in 1958, RV own it!
2. DRV accept you 12 miles, no claim because of 1st point, you can not claim what you don't have.
3. RV onwed these islands and claim it=> right of internation rules.
=> VN united = DRV + RV ownership=> we have right to claim these islands belong to us!

So, let use google instead of Baidu if you want unbiased sources! Use fb if you want to know international rules and spirit!

South Vietnam and China in the Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands dispute, you acknowledge these two islands belong to China, that mean you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam. So the South Vietnamese can not be used to make excuses.
These two islands you can not inherit from South Vietnam.because you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam
 
South Vietnam and China in the Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands dispute, you acknowledge these two islands belong to China, that mean you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam. So the South Vietnamese can not be used to make excuses.
These two islands you can not inherit from South Vietnam.because you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam

Prove it belong to China! Can you? :rofl:
 
Either your brain is chopped off in half or your logic is broken in half.

Pham said: "The Democratic Republic of Vietnam's Government agreed to terms of China's public statement in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim."

What is " terms of China's public statment in 9-4-1958 about China's sea territory claim?"

Your handicapped brain only grasps "12 miles" which is in fact "twelve nautical miles", whereas China's declaration says: "1. The breadth of the territorial sea of the People's Republic of China shall be twelve nautical miles. This provision applies to all territories of the People's Republic of China including the Chinese mainland and its coastal islands, as well as Taiwan and its surrounding islands, the Penghu Islands, the Dongsha Islands, the Xisha Islands, the Zhongsha Islands, the Nansha Islands and all other islands belonging to China which are separated from the mainland and its coastal islands by the high seas."

Your reading capability is laughable!

But Mr.Dong was PM of North VietNam, N.VN did not control those islands.
According to the 1954 Geneva Agreement, the DRVN governs the zone north of the 17th parallel, while the State of Vietnam (later, the Republic of Vietnam - RVN) governs the zone south, including the two archipelagoes, Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa, pending the reunification of Vietnam through free elections.
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the representative of the Saigon Government denounced the occupation of the Hoang Sa archipelago by the People's Republic of China. In March, 1974, at the Conference of ESCAP in Colombo, the Vietnamese representative re-affirmed the sovereignty of Vietnam over the Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa archipelagoes.
Paracel and Spratly Islands Forum: Historical and Juridical Title of VN Over Islands (Part.2)

S.VN denoced CHina .:whistle::whistle:
 
South Vietnam and China in the Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands dispute, you acknowledge these two islands belong to China, that mean you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam. So the South Vietnamese can not be used to make excuses.
These two islands you can not inherit from South Vietnam.because you do not acknowledge these two islands belong to South Vietnam
Hehe, but we're united VN by General election, N.VN did not inherit from South Vietnam. N.VN no longer exits.

New VietNam(Socialist Republic of VN) inherit from South Vietnam :whistle:
 
Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;1895102 said:
Prove it belong to China! Can you? :rofl:

North Vietnamese Prime Minister (and later Prime Minister of the Vietnamese coalition government) Phạm Văn Đồng have seen sufficient evidence, and acknowledged these two islands belong to China, which is well known. To see the specific evidence, please contact your Prime Minister

Two islands do not belong to South Vietnam, you can not inherit
 
North Vietnamese Prime Minister (and later Prime Minister of the Vietnamese coalition government) have seen sufficient evidence, and acknowledged these two islands belong to China, which is well known. To see the specific evidence, please contact your Prime Minister

That's your argument which is prove Chinese sovereignty? How funny :rofl: :rofl:

But Mr.Dong was PM of North VietNam, N.VN did not control those islands.
North Vietnam does not have the sovereignty over those islands.
It's more accurate
 
Hehe, but we're united VN by General election, N.VN did not inherit from South Vietnam. N.VN no longer exits.

New VietNam(Socialist Republic of VN) inherit from South Vietnam :whistle:

What a despicable and weak excuses
 
What a despicable and weak excuses
We always strictly comply with the International laws, N.Vn did not invade the South, both were United inpeace by General election. North no longer exist, so, problem between N and S about those islands is Over. Pm.Dong's letter to CHina is usless :whistle:
 
Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;1895145 said:
:rofl: :rofl:


North Vietnam does not have the sovereignty over those islands.
It's more accurate

Excuse.
This is nothing to do whether North Vietnam owned sovereignty.

of course you did not sovereignty, the sovereignty of these two islands belong to China.
Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng recognized China's sovereignty through official channels . Also means that do not recognize other countries own the sovereignty of these two islands (Include South Vietnamese and North Vietnam).

these two island South Vietnamese not own sovereignty
So sovereignty can not be used to make excuses
 
1/ Monique Chemillier-Gendreau wrote:

“Dans ce contexte, les declarations ou prise de position éventuelles des autorités du Nord Vietnam sont sans consequences sur le titre de souveraineté. Il ne s’agit pas du gouvernement territorialement competent à l’égard des archipels. On ne peut renoncer à ce sur quoi on n’a pas d’autorité…”
Translate into English:
In these conditions, the statement or stance of the administration that North Vietnam had no effect on what sovereignty. This is not the competent authorities on the islands. One can not transfer what they do not control ...
Before 1975, The countries who have dispute as S.Vietnam ( not North Vietnam/ excluding North Vietnam), China, Taiwan, Philippine. So there is no value on the declaration of North Vietnam because North Vietnam is the third country who have no right ( according Geneve Hoang Sa and Truong Sa are sovereign of S.Vietnam). For example N.Korea declare Seoul belongs to USA.
2/ Pls see Clause 38. on ITLOS
3/ This was not accepted by North Vietnam National Assembly, so that it is not value also.
 
Excuse.
This is nothing to do whether North Vietnam owned sovereignty.

of course you did not sovereignty, the sovereignty of these two islands belong to China.
Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng recognized China's sovereignty through official channels . Also means that do not recognize other countries own the sovereignty of these two islands .

these two island South Vietnamese not own sovereignty
So sovereignty can not be used to make excuses

Prove that it belong to China! Of course you can't. You always avoid to prove it because you know it does not belong to China :rofl: :rofl:

You can't prove it belong to China but we already prove it belongs to Vietnam and you can't refute so that means it belongs Vietnam!
 
Excuse.
This is nothing to do whether owned sovereignty.

of course you did not sovereignty, the sovereignty of these two islands belong to China.
Prime Minister Phạm Văn Đồng confirmed China's sovereignty through official channels . Also means that do not recognize other countries own the sovereignty of these two islands .

these two island South Vietnamese not own sovereignty
So sovereignty can not be used to make excuses
Note that, South Vietnam had soldiers there to protect our sovereign, here is history.
26/10/1954: Taking advantage of the Vietnamese forces preoccupied in the battle against French colonialism, China sends fleets to occupy Paracel and Spratly archipelagos illegally.

4/1950: China withdraws all of its forces from the Spratly, then the Paracel archipelagos.

1954: Vietnam divided into North and South at the 17th parallel as determined at the Geneva Conference. The North becomes the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, a communist state supported by China and the USSR. The strict communist ideology began to prevail at the 2nd congress of the Vietnamese labor party in 1951. In 1955, Ngo Dinh Diem becomes president of the Republic of South Vietnam with backing from the West.

1956: China launches naval units to the islands.

4/9/1958: China declares that the Paracel and Spratly archipelagos are within its sea territories even though at that time, South Vietnam had already claimed control over these islands.

19/1/1974: China invades the Paracels and a battle takes place between Chinese and South Vietnamese forces. One warship was sunk, while two others were heavily damaged on the Chinese side. Vietnam also lost a warship with two others damaged, along with the lives of 70 fighters.

1975: Fall of South Vietnam to Communist North.

1976: Reunification officially proclaimed. The country is called the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

17/2/1979: China invades Vietnam as a retaliatory act for putting an end to the murderous China supported Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. China was repelled after a month of fighting.

30/7/1979: China releases documents that claim that Vietnam supposedly “admmited” Chinese sovereignty over the islands to the protest of Hanoi on 7/8/1979.

1980: China releases the White Papers with various ill-founded reasons for while the archipelagos belonged to China after Vietnam released its White Papers in 1979.

1/6/1984: China sets up administrative area of Hainan which includes Paracel and Spratly archipelagos.

10/11/1987: Chinese forces make their way onto the Louisa Reef in the Spratly islands. China conducted naval patrols and established a permanent base on the Spratly islands.

1-4/1988: Chinese forces take over more features. China and Vietnam ships clashed over Johnson Reef. Chinese forces prevailed and retained control of the area.
 
Đảo Bạch Long Vỹ;1895075 said:
North Vietnam does not have the sovereign over Paracel and Spartly (Viet Cong and South Vietnam does, and they already protested China's invasion). So North Vietnam does not have the right to discuss about the sovereignty over Paracel and Spartly. Can North Korea give Seoul to China?
North Vietnam only can agree with 12 sea miles territory and they only did it
Norh Vietnam called Viet Minh, and South Vietnam and US called Viet Cong.
 

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