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As US election looms, India IT seeks makeover

Bangalore: As the US presidential election ramps up the rhetoric against offshoring jobs, India's flagship software services providers are seeking an image makeover.
For Wipro, Infosys and others, multi-billion dollar outsourcing giants with U.S.-listed shares, the challenge is to be seen less as a cheap Bangalore dump for U.S. companies shipping work overseas, and more as responsible firms creating jobs and investing in America's future.
"If young people in America look at us as a career opportunity, we have succeeded," TV Mohandas Pai said six years ago when he was a board member at Infosys.

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Today, India's $100 billion IT and business process outsourcing (BPO) industry says it directly employs 107,000 people in the United States, close to a third of whom are Americans, a figure that has doubled in five years.

The industry's makeover takes on a new urgency ahead of the US presidential election in November where jobs will be a crunch issue. President Barack Obama has sharpened his criticism of US firms 'exporting' jobs, seeking to tax them more and use that money to help those that keep jobs at home.

"I'm responsible for transforming the organisation into one having a look and feel of a US corporation ... changing Infosys in USA to Infosys USA," Padmanabhan Rao, who heads the company's US operations, writes as his LinkedIn profile.

It's increasingly a business reality.

The outsourcing industry, championed by India but spreading to other Asian centres such as the Philippines, expects to hit $225 billion in annual revenues by 2020 - an unrealistic target without strong growth in the United States, the biggest market.

Infosys has 15,000 employees in the United States, including those with shorter-term work permits, and will have hired another 1,200 locals in the past year. North American clients generate close to two-thirds of global revenue. Infosys employs more than 145,000 people worldwide.

Rao told the goal for Infosys is to double local recruitment, and that may happen as early as the next fiscal year. Part of his job, Rao says, is "to get Infosys to think global, but act local."

Indian outsource firms are "willing to step up and do things a little bit different to show their investment in the US economy," said Helen Huntley, a vice president at Gartner Inc, noting the tone of political debate has grown harsher in line with greater economic uncertainty.

"That's political motivation as well as motivation for clients ... (who want to see) feet on the street," she said.

By setting up shop in the United States, Indian outsourcers could win more business from smaller US customers under pressure in an election year to hire and outsource locally.

"It plays naturally to Indian providers who want to show a presence in the US," said Huntley.

The Indian firms are increasingly looking to transfer staff from their clients on to their own books to secure orders. This also helps as a public relations tool to raise their profile as local job creators, Huntley noted, and can qualify for certain state incentives.

When Tata Consultancy Services opened a centre in Cincinnati, Ohio in 2009, the state governor attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony.

"The Indian companies are very engaged" in getting local political support, noted Huntley. TCS, India's No.1 software services exporter, last month opened a technology centre in Santa Clara, California to serve as global headquarters for its mobile computing work.

Wipro, which began after the Second World War as a sunflower oil producer and moved into India's fledgling IT sector in the early 1980s, also wants to boost its overseas, or ex-India, workforce.

Chairman Azim Premji wants as much as half his total staffing to be local, in the United States and elsewhere, and he holds up the firm's Atlanta, Georgia centre as an example of how Wipro has successfully recruited local talent.

"That's our goal for the next 2-3 years and I think it's completely do-able ... even if I have to thrust it from the top," Premji said in January after Wipro reported a 10 percent increase in quarterly profit.

Wipro employs some 10,000 people in the United States, Chief Marketing Officer Rajan Kohli said in response to an e-mailed request, adding Atlanta is a "strategic development centre", with US citizens making up 80 percent of its 675 staff. Wipro's global workforce tops 120,000.

"We're driving diversity in our hiring by consciously inducting local talent, military veterans and campus recruits," Kohli said, and expects to replicate the Atlanta model in at least two other US cities.

At Infosys, CEO S.D. Shibulal is looking to add small development centres in the United States. As well as its large campuses in India, Infosys has 15 delivery centres worldwide, from the Czech Republic and Poland to Brazil and China - facilities where software programs are written and applications developed and tested.

"I can say this: One-third of all growth in talent (in the US) will be local," Shibulal told.

The larger outsourcing firms are not alone in buffing up their global credentials.

MindTree Ltd, a $500 million IT and electronics engineering services provider with a client list that includes Microsoft and Kraft, has engaged global branding consultant Siegel+Gale for its image makeover, co-founder Subroto Bagchi told.

Bangalore-based MindTree will soon open its first 400-seat delivery centre in the United States, and expects eventually that as much as a third of its workforce will be local to wherever it does business, said Scott Staples, another co-founder of the company.

And that's another challenge for Indian companies hoping local US recruitment will give them a more American face.

"We don't have a lot of (local) Java programmers with two years experience running around," said Stephanie Moore, a vice president at Forrester Research Inc, echoing Obama's lament that too few Americans opt for STEM (science, technology, engineering and maths) streams at schools and colleges.

Wipro's Premji agrees, noting that while most customer-facing sales and support hires are local, the majority of technical staff are on Indian-origin visas.

"There's a huge shortage of technical IT professionals in the United States," he said.

For now, the vast majority of the 2.8 million people employed in the Indian IT/BPO industry work in India. At the top five Indian providers, only 40,000 - fewer than 1.5 percent - are non-Indian, according to the National Association of Software and Services Companies (Nasscom), an Indian software industry lobby group.

"Wipro isn't yet a household name on US campuses, but we have been able to generate significant and increasing interest," said Kohli. "We've kicked off major initiatives on campuses to showcase our differentiators and attract the best talent."

Kiran Karnik, a former Nasscom president and author of "The Coalition of Competitors" published in February, sees parallels between now and the first backlash against the loss of U.S. jobs to India's outsourcers following the dotcom bust - with the United States slowly emerging from an economic downturn and facing presidential elections where jobs will figure large.

Back then, Nasscom made itself invisible, but engaged a PR/advocacy agency and networked with 'sister body' the Information Technology Association of America, the US Chamber of Commerce and the US-India Business Council.

This week, Nasscom has published a report to showcase just how it is contributing to the US economy, by creating jobs, paying more than $15 billion in taxes over five years and investing another $5 billion through U.S. acquisitions.

Indirectly, India's IT/BPO industry supports 280,000 jobs in the United States, the report said.

Wipro, Infosys and other Indian firms in the US market help run local community marathons and university fun runs and, at last August's InfosysConnect in Las Vegas, an event for the company's partners, analysts and clients, tennis star Andre Agassi was an invited guest to share the stage with Stephen Pratt, Infosys' top business consultant.

"Incremental goals add up over time," Pratt tweeted from the event.

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Lost? they are still jobs within US economy contributing exactly the same way to US economy (actually more if you count the H1B/L1 tax) like a job held by US local.

Are you by any chance questioning the work visa regime of USA?

See below.

Would you take offence if I call you Pakistani export to Australia?

The Indians who are working in US are one of the most educated bunch in various communities in US and contributing heavily towards US economy. They do not live in welfare money like some other community do in UK.

US is afterall a land of immigrants, or in your parlance, imports.

Immigration is a net positive, but it always has to be viewed in the context of the prevailing economic situation: some times are more conducive than others. Given the current economic situation in the US, people are asking questions about the need to bring in migrants to take high-paying jobs. Like I wrote, this affects existing migrants of all stripes. One could even argue that it affects recent migrants more than established groups who already have extensive networks.

Also, the validity of the alleged skills shortage is constantly debated and there have already been proposed legislation precisely on this topic. This means that there is popular apprehensions about outsourcing and the NASSOM statement is disingenuous in implying that they are "creating" 100,000 local jobs "in the US". I was pointing out the disingenuous nature of their statement.
 
Interestingly, India's Outsourcing industry is over 50% of Pakistan's total GDP and by these estimates will probably be bigger than Pakistan's GDP by 2020 ... No wonder you have Pakistani members here trying to knock it.. :D
 
So the USA has decided to look at the longer term health of the economy rather than worry overly about "recent migrants more than established groups who already have extensive networks".

Their country, their choice. Just move on. ;)

Being more loyal than the king doesn't get any thanks. It usually breeds contempt, especially when one's motives are questionable and one calls both the countries enemies.

Interestingly, India's Outsourcing industry is over 50% of Pakistan's total GDP and by these estimates will probably be bigger than Pakistan's GDP by 2020 ... No wonder you have Pakistani members here trying to knock it.. :D

That's the elephant in the room they want ignored.

Only noble intentions for people of enemy countries.
 
Immigration is a net positive, but it always has to be viewed in the context of the prevailing economic situation: some times are more conducive than others. Given the current economic situation in the US, people are asking questions about the need to bring in migrants to take high-paying jobs. Like I wrote, this affects existing migrants of all stripes. One could even argue that it affects recent migrants more than established groups who already have extensive networks.

Also, the validity of the alleged skills shortage is constantly debated and there have already been proposed legislation precisely on this topic. This means that there is popular apprehensions about outsourcing and the NASSOM statement is disingenuous in implying that they are "creating" 100,000 local jobs "in the US". I was pointing out the disingenuous nature of their statement.

Firstly, you have to look at the whole thing in totality. If these Indian companies are not able to decide their own resource mix to reduce cost, they will probably not have these centers within US and will open them in even cheaper locales like Mexico, Guatemala, Philippines and India. The outsourcing will continue, but without the benefits these local centers provide to the US economy.

Secondly, there is no dis-ingenuity in the statement. The jobs are local within US. How these local jobs within US are filled (while staying within the US rules and regulations wrt employment) is a free choice of the employer. Or are you saying that only Indian Tech companies should be prevented from hiring H1B/L1 employees while all other companies in the US (Tech or otherwise) are free to do that. Dont you think thats contradictory to non discriminatory employment policy of US..

After all its the US govt that decides upon the local/imported mix of the available resource pool of workers for the companies operating in the US
 
Firstly, you have to look at the whole thing in totality. If these Indian companies are not able to decide their own resource mix to reduce cost, they will probably not have these centers within US and will open them in even cheaper locales like Mexico, Guatemala, Philippines and India. The outsourcing will continue, but without the benefits these local centers provide to the US economy.

Secondly, there is no dis-ingenuity in the statement. The jobs are local within US. How these local jobs within US are filled (while staying within the US rules and regulations wrt employment) is a free choice of the employer. Or are you saying that only Indian Tech companies should be prevented from hiring H1B/L1 employees while all other companies in the US (Tech or otherwise) are free to do that. Dont you think thats contradictory to non discriminatory employment policy of US..

After all its the US govt that decides upon the local/imported mix of the available resource pool of workers for the companies operating in the US

First of all, the popular criticism is not aimed at Indian companies per se, but at anyone who outsources these jobs, including American companies. There are various criticism of the alleged justifications for this visa program, but I don't want to get into that because it's not relevant here. This particular discussion is about NASSCOM claims.

Now these NASSCOM claims are clearly disingenuous -- the simple fact that your own JayAtl argued with me for ten pages claiming these jobs were held by "US locals", and not predominantly by visa-holders as I claimed, is proof enough. You had to dig through the report and crunch numbers to discover the reality that less than a third of those 100,000 jobs are held by US locals. The TOI article is more forthcoming, but that's for an Indian audience.
 
Now these NASSCOM claims are clearly disingenuous -- the simple fact that your own JayAtl argued with me for ten pages claiming these jobs were held by "US locals", and not predominantly by visa-holders as I claimed, is proof enough. You had to dig through the report and crunch numbers to discover the reality that less than a third of those 100,000 jobs are held by US locals. The TOI article is more forthcoming, but that's for an Indian audience.

I don't buy that at all. NASSCOM's claim is about jobs within US economy. And the figures about that are clearly mentioned in the report. What members on a Pakistani defence forum argue has nothing to do with the veracity of NASSCOM's claim. NASSCOM claims that IT Tech Industry is responsible for 107k direct and 173K indirect jobs in USA -- True.. It claims that Indian Tech companies and its employees pay over 3.6 billion USD in taxes to US govt every year -- True.. It claims that out of 280K direct and indirect jobs, 210 K jobs are held by PRs of USA --- True..

How you interpret the benefits of these stats and whether you doubt the merits of US govts foreign worker program is purely your own view point and has nothing to do with the stats published by NASSCOM

Also, USA issues 65000 H1 and approx same number of L1 Visas every year.. Average tenure of these visas is close to 4.5 years (H1 - 3-6 years and L1 is upto 7 years). Which means that at any point of time, there are close to 600K foreign workers in the USA. And you find fault with the 65K foreign workers that Indian tech companies employ. Now if rest of the companies in US are free to hire these foreign workers, why knock Indian companies running their business in USA who do that.. ??
 
See below.


Immigration is a net positive, but it always has to be viewed in the context of the prevailing economic situation: some times are more conducive than others. Given the current economic situation in the US, people are asking questions about the need to bring in migrants to take high-paying jobs. Like I wrote, this affects existing migrants of all stripes. One could even argue that it affects recent migrants more than established groups who already have extensive networks.

Also, the validity of the alleged skills shortage is constantly debated and there have already been proposed legislation precisely on this topic. This means that there is popular apprehensions about outsourcing and the NASSOM statement is disingenuous in implying that they are "creating" 100,000 local jobs "in the US". I was pointing out the disingenuous nature of their statement.

In Australia, it is always talked on the public places and work places that immigrants create jobs, they don’t take job. Because of shortage of just 4-5 engineers/ management professionals, over 50 mechanics and 200 labors remain unemployed on a mine site. there are frequent deaths in the Australian hospitals due to shortage of Doctors as even if Australian society does make nurses/ mechanics, they don’t have doctors. Even nurses and mechanics are in big shortage there. If the Australian government stop skill migration for just 2 years, their 80% population will come to streets and start begging, it is widely accepted there, its written on the wall :pop:

Even if companies like Micro Soft employ over 500,000 US’s labors, mechanics, office staff, and also high management, their almost 100% professional teams is filled with migrants only. If US’s firm don’t get high class migrants, especially those who score very high in different international exams like GRE/ GMAT etc, they just can’t develop high techs. A simple logic, isnt it? How under high school pass people will develop technologies, a common sense? It’s the highly qualified migrants who feed low educated civilians of the country like US, UK, Canada, Australia etc :meeting:

Tired doctors pose risk to patient safety
January 10, 2012 18:36:00

Australian hospitals are suffering from a surgeon shortage. It's led to doctors working longer hours, exposing them to fatigue and posing risks to patient safety. The Australian Medical Association says it's aware of the increased risks faced with over-worked doctors but finding a solution is a slow process.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-10/tired-doctors-pose-risk-to-patient-safety/3766492

Skills shortage biggest threat to Australia’s growth: survey

A growing and severe skills shortage is a greater threat to Australia’s growth potential than the credit crunch, which was ‘a mere blip’ by comparison, a new survey has found.

The Australian Industry Group/Deloitte CEO survey shows skills shortages are again looming large as a major risk for business, and pose real problems for companies in terms of production and service delivery. This situation is forecast to intensify and businesses are working hard to mitigate the risks.

The survey, Skills shortages: A high risk business, which involved more than 400 companies of all sizes, found that more than one-third (34.7%) of businesses believe there is a high to extreme risk of skills shortages negatively impacting on the operation of their businesses this year. This level of concern increases to almost half of all companies (47.5%) by 2015.

http://www.workplaceinfo.com.au/rec...ge-biggest-threat-to-australias-growth-survey
 
Dude, the formula for 1.6 indirect jobs created for 1 direct job is not a NASSCOM calculation. Its a direct lift from EPI (an american company). Go thru the report and in the annexures that same calculations is explained



Dont be a duffus.. There is a lot of difference between 1 company employing 100K people and all Indian companies put together employing the same number. The visibility of a single entity employing that many people will definitely be miles higher.. And 175 K is the indirect jobs.. Learn to distinguish between direct and indirect job creation and stop confusing the two..

Look, I don't care if it's direct or indirect, Indian US IT >> IBM + Accenture is total BS. Indians have no "visibility" problems in the US. They are pretty easy to spot.

As for that Indian entrepreneurship in US BS, Sun is long gone. Bose is crap and getting killed by Harman. Anything else??? Bloom, Lightsquared?? LOL.
 
I don't buy that at all. NASSCOM's claim is about jobs within US economy.

Oh, please!

If someone said, "Company X employs 100,000 people in India", would your first thought be that they are 100,000 Indian nationals or 70,000 foreign workers and 30,000 Indians?

Also, USA issues 65000 H1 and approx same number of L1 Visas every year

Let's not get into a wider discussion about the visa system. My comment was specifically about the disingenuous nature of the NASSCOM press release.
 
In Australia, it is always talked on the public places and work places that immigrants creates jobs, they don’t take job. Because of shortage of just 4-5 engineers/ management professionals, over 50 mechanics and 200 labors remain unemployed on a mine site. there is frequent deaths in the Australian hospitals due to shortage of Doctors as even if Australian society does make nurses/ mechanics, they don’t have doctors. Even nurses and mechanics are in big shortage there. If the Australian government stop skill migration for just 2 years, their 80% population will come to streets and start begging, it is widely accepted there, its written on the wall :pop:

The concept is skills (plural) shortage. Just because some skill shortages are legitimate doesn't mean they all are.

Do you know that, for a while, Australia had cooks and hairdressers in the skills shortage list? What country needs to import cooks and hairdressers?
 
Do you know that, for a while, Australia had cooks and hairdressers in the skills shortage list? What country needs to import cooks and hairdressers?

I have a strong suspicion that same need allowed some on this forum to immigrate. ;)

Look, I don't care if it's direct or indirect, Indian US IT >> IBM + Accenture is total BS. Indians have no "visibility" problems in the US. They are pretty easy to spot.

Apparently you would stand out even more.

As for that Indian entrepreneurship in US BS, Sun is long gone. Bose is crap and getting killed by Harman. Anything else??? Bloom, Lightsquared?? LOL.

Well, Indian flag is already imprinted indelibly on the moon's soil. You look at the moon and you see Indian flags.

On the other hand, a bunch of people wiping the glass screen of the IPhone, using hazardous chemicals (obviously too ignorant to know or worse to care), sleeping 20 to a dorm , on beds only they can fit in, fired by a tea and biscuit in the dead of the night. Millions of them.

All because Steve Jobs in distant US decides he wants a glass screen on the IPhone! ;)

Then the APple folks worry about the exploitation of the Chin by that Taiwanese company! None of the millions worry however, They know they are better off than the other billion.
 
You of course completely avoided addressing anything.

Sun is gone. Bose's height of success was in 1970's. Today it is getting killed.

So what's new in Indian US entrepreneurship??

Bloom-flawed business model. Lightsquared-Chernobyl business model.

Anything else???? Anything like a YouTube, Yahoo or Vera Wang??

I have a strong suspicion that same need allowed some on this forum to immigrate. ;)



Apparently you would stand out even more.



Well, Indian flag is already imprinted indelibly on the moon's soil. You look at the moon and you see Indian flags.

On the other hand, a bunch of people wiping the glass screen of the IPhone, using hazardous chemicals (obviously too ignorant to know or worse to care), sleeping 20 to a dorm , on beds only they can fit in, fired by a tea and biscuit in the dead of the night. Millions of them.

All because Steve Jobs in distant US decides he wants a glass screen on the IPhone! ;)

Then the APple folks worry about the exploitation of the Chin by that Taiwanese company! None of the millions worry however, They know they are better off than the other billion.
 
Look, I don't care if it's direct or indirect, Indian US IT >> IBM + Accenture is total BS. Indians have no "visibility" problems in the US. They are pretty easy to spot.

And pray tell, where did you grab the bold part from..?? By your own numbers, Total Indian US IT < IBM only...
 

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