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Avalanche traps about 150 Pakistani soldiers

One of his last posts on FB. Major Zaka went off to a far off land with duration of absence unspecified -- now perhaps forever! A nation which does not love and respect its sons like him, has no honor. By Allah, we miss him and all those who are on icy mountain tops or in icy graves for us! Stay blessed Zaka. You are in good grand company now.

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Rescue updates

According to a military update on the rescue operation, 286 soldiers and 60 civilians along with bulldozers and JCB heavy equipments (used for digging) have been employed at the site.

The team has been able to clear one platform measuring 40 feet in length, 30 feet in width and 10 feet deep so far, said a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations.

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Siachen tragedy
April 9 2012

It is just our bad lucks, I agree it is wrong place in the direction of the mountain, they should know common sense. At least, there is no hopeful right now due to past 54 hours and obsolete equipments/sniffer dogs which are unmatch against massive avalanches.

The real serious question is what will Pakistan Army learn this lesson from the Avalanche trap?
 
@RaptorRX707 Thanks for giving the updates.

The remoteness of the site is the big problem. And i am surprised they are actually using heavy equipment, rescue operation in snow are pretty challenging because using heavy equipment on the snow compacts it and might harm the people buried by putting wight on the person.
 
Since Pakistan invited USA, German, and Swiss for emergency help clearly, it tells us Pakistan doesn't have advanced technology to locate their downed soldiers.

Search and Rescue Avionics
Cubic’s Personnel Locator System (PLS) is the standard combat search-and-rescue system used by U.S. and NATO forces to pinpoint the location of downed pilots from the air. PLS interfaces with all American-deployed combat survival radios and with standard civil emergency distress beacons. It provides secure, encrypted communications between rescue forces and isolated personnel during civil and combat rescue missions. The system is primarily installed on rotary wing aircraft used for personnel recovery missions, and can be adapted for select fixed wing aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles.


Search and rescue equipment
Chances of a buried victim being found alive and rescued are increased when everyone in a group is carrying and using standard avalanche equipment, and have trained in how to use it. A beacon, shovel and probe is considered the minimum equipment to carry for companion rescue. Organized rescue involves ski patrols and mountain rescue teams who are often equipped with other technologies to search for buried victims. Rescue equipment can make a difference, and in 2010 the French National Association for the Study of Snow and Avalanches (ANENA) recommended that all off-piste skiers should carry beacons, probes, shovels, and Recco reflectors.


Beacons
Beacons — known as "beepers", peeps (pieps), ARVAs (Appareil de Recherche de Victimes en Avalanche, in French), LVS (Lawinen-Verschütteten-Suchgerät, Swiss German), avalanche transceivers, or various other trade names, are important for every member of the party. They emit a "beep" via 457 kHz radio signal in normal use, but may be switched to receive mode to locate a buried victim up to 80 meters away. Analog receivers provide audible beeps that rescuers interpret to estimate distance to a victim. To use the receiver effectively requires regular practice. Some older models of beepers operated on a different frequency (2.275 kHz ) and a group leader should ensure these are no longer in use.

Since about 2000 nearly all avalanche rescue transceivers use digital displays to give visual indications of direction and distance to victims. Most users find these beacons easier to use, but to be effective still requires considerable practice by the user. Beacons are the primary rescue tool for companion rescue and are considered active devices because the user must learn to use and care for their device.

Sniffer dogs and heavy equipments are bad ideas, Kiyani calmly shook hands with the rescue teams....:hitwall:

@RaptorRX707 Thanks for giving the updates.

The remoteness of the site is the big problem. And i am surprised they are actually using heavy equipment, rescue operation in snow are pretty challenging because using heavy equipment on the snow compacts it and might harm the people buried by putting wight on the person.

Good point....
 
Siachen tragedy – Day 3: With hope lost, rescuers face new dangers
Specially-trained search-and-rescue teams of army engineers equipped with locating gadgets and heavy machinery joined rescue units aided by sniffer dogs and helicopters.
But bad weather hampered efforts to boost the search despite the arrival of US high altitude specialists in Islamabad.
“With every passing day, hope is fading away for survivors,” an army official at the rescue site said.
Amidst fading hopes new concerns emerged for the rescuers: Ensuring physical safety of the bodies frozen in the snow as bulldozers and excavators dug through the debris in search of survivors.
“The absence of human tracing censors is causing a major problem in locating bodies,” another army officer told The Express Tribune requesting anonymity.
“This delay in removing the snow, slush, boulders and mud is causing another grave concern: Possible desecration of the bodies during the cutting of snow with the blades of the bulldozers.”
Late on Monday, weather conditions turned for the worse with the Meteorological Department forecasting more snowfall for Tuesday.
If this rescue/recovery operation drags on for a longer time the chances of finding survivor's will be slim but also the rescuer's might face some hostile conditions.
 
I hope this tragedy bring both nations on table.And they for once think for these humans and stop politics on the lives of these brave men.

Dying in a battle field is something else while in a tragedy is something else.Both nation should call back there army back on plan areas and leave that deadly place Siachen alone.

Just one benefit ? what both nation benefits from that place ? Except DCik Measuring.

ALLAH tum sab ko Jannat ul firdos main Jaga de ..Aur sab keh families ko sabar ata farmayee AMEEN Suma AMEEN ya Rabul Al AMEEN.
 
Photo of Maj Zaka Ul Haq buried under the snow at Siachen

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Why the Siachen issue must be resolved
By Editorial
Published: April 10, 2012


The Pakistan Army camp near the Siachen Glacier was buried under snow after history’s largest avalanche — about a square mile across — swept over it on April 7, burying 124 soldiers and 11 civilians under it. The rescue operation is underway, involving 240 troops and civilians with the aid of sniffer dogs and heavy machinery, supervised by Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani himself. Needless to say, given the magnitude of the slippage, no survivors have been recovered at the time of writing.The tragedy has occurred at an altitude of over 4,000 metres in the Karakoram mountain range, the highest battlefield in the world where Indian and Pakistani troops are face-to-face in a war that no one in the world appreciates. The irony that can’t be missed is that the Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh has offered to help! Sensible people in India and Pakistan have repeatedly advised the two armies to climb down and leave the glacier alone. Pakistan thinks that India is willing, but is dragging its feet over and an agreement to ‘redeploy’. In 2007, India’s Air Marshal (retd) Nanda Harappa advised India and Pakistan to call off their absurd high-altitude confrontation, “where Indian troops took 80 per cent of their casualties from weather and the human waste and war detritus produced by the two armies polluted crevasses and gullies that provide 70 per cent of the water used in India and Pakistan”.

The quarrel is absurd. The 1948 Indo-Pak war ended with an agreed map that delineated the Line of Control (LoC) which reached the grid NJ9842. From this point onwards, the agreed map simply said “thence north to the glaciers”, thus creating a no-man’s land. India says Pakistan moved its troops into the region beyond NJ9842 before it ‘responded’ in 1984: Pakistan says the Indian move began the conflict and that Pakistan was taken by surprise. And the two repeatedly came close to signing an agreement over Siachen only to be pushed back by untoward incidents in the plains.

And now the first big disaster has taken place. The glacier is becoming unstuck because of unnatural warming and has killed Pakistani troops forced to be there because of Indian deployment, threatening the economy of a water-scarce South Asia. A UN official, whose book Biodiversity Conservation in Himalayas has just been released says: “The Siachen Glacier in Ladakh has receded by about 800 metres in the last 20 years and is facing threat of climate change caused by military activities in the region”.

Siachen is the most unlucky natural location in the world because 3,000 Indian troops are living and operating there, “hundreds of machines and scores of choppers flying daily over the region, with the result that the environment and ecosystem have deteriorated. The two armies survive by keeping themselves warm and by artificially making the high altitude surface suitable for their activities, depositing tons of chemicals on the surface of the glacier, thereby not only polluting the headwaters of the Indus river but also raising the temperatures in the area”.

Pakistan wants a climb down on what has become a ‘supplementary’ dispute to distract attention from the ‘core’ issue of Kashmir. In 1999, by staging the Kargil Operation, Pakistan provided an excuse for the Indian hawks to advise their government to stay put. A neutral observer once said that: “India should take a fresh look at the policy that has tied it down to a dangerous and costly strategy of defending every peak and hillock “for propaganda reasons, not because of military compulsions”.

The tragedy struck just before Pakistan’s peace-seeking president, Asif Ali Zardari, went on a visit to India during which he had lunch with the Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, very much a man of peace himself. Now that both sides are committed to normalisation of relations through trade and Pakistan knows the consequences of its non-state actors perpetrating cross-border terrorism, perhaps, it is time for rationality to prevail over Siachen. Let us not destroy human life in South Asia just because the two states can’t find solutions to their bilateral problems.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 10th, 2012.
 

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