Saudi Arabia wants to buy 600-800 Leopard tanks from Germany

[BLACKEAGLE]

Oh, and BTW. Why you Saudi didn't aprove upgrading your tanks with the Jordanian version? Hah?

If I don't get a reply within 5 mins from you fat Saudi, I swear to God, I will break sth...

 

[Mosamania]

There were plans to upgrade Saudi M-60 tank arsenal with Jordanian upgrade, bet nothing has taken place. I don't know why actually. KSA has long been solely interested in airforce and ignored acquiring neither upgrading her existing tanks. I heard they are going through moderation process in KSA. For Pak, there were allot of joint exercises between Pakistan and Jordan, but don't know about joint manufacturing projects. Anyway, Pakistani tanks are close to eastern tanks while Jordanian ones are western. They are different.

We did an indigiouns upgrade of our M60 tanks this year. I have posted the upgrade on a number of threads here.

Oh, and BTW. Why you Saudi didn't aprove upgrading youق tanks with the Jordanian version? Hah?

If I don't get a reply within 5 mins from you fat Saudi, I swear to God, I will break sth...

Oh don't get me started on how fat jordanians are now >_>

 

[Desert Fox]

BlackEagle yaar ! Why didn't Jordan and Saudi Arabia enter into a JV to upgrade your respective M60 A3s to Phoenix and above standard ? Perhaps even bring on board the Turks with their own upgrade program of their M60s with the help of the Israelis !

Mate, this is the gist of our argument ! No one is making a sales pitch here for the Al-Khalids or the Altays we're just saying - We've got the potential, we clearly have the need, we do have convergent interests (the Saudis, the Turks and the Jordanians have a large number of M60s in their inventory) and we've got the capital too ! Why then do we not utilize out god given potentials and work with each other ?

What's the point of upgrading the M60's when you can just purchase a Tank leagues ahead of that outdated machine? M60's lack crew protection not to mention its main armor is homogeneous steel armor while Abrams and modern Western MBT's have mostly composite armor with steel shell and ERA as optional add on armor.

The other day i was watching this documentary, watch from 9:50 onwards:

Anatomy of an Abrams Tank [HQ] P2 - YouTube

 

[Armstrong]

We did an indigiouns upgrade of our M60 tanks this year. I have posted the upgrade on a number of threads here.



Oh don't get me started on how fat jordanians are now >_>

Haaanhh ! I can still out fat either of you guys !


Oh wait..that didn't come out right !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

We did an indigiouns upgrade of our M60 tanks this year. I have posted the upgrade on a number of threads here.

Oh, I didn't know that I am that frightful, I got a reply at the same second my post was posted. Anyway, don't do it again. Capish!

 

[Armstrong]

What's the point of upgrading the M60's when you can just purchase a Tank leagues ahead of that outdated machine? M60's lack crew protection not to mention its main armor is homogeneous steel armor while Abrams and modern Western MBT's have mostly composite armor with steel shell and ERA as optional add on armor.

The other day i was watching this documentary, watch from 9:50 onwards:

Anatomy of an Abrams Tank [HQ] P2 - YouTube

Why you do it ? Beats me...! But I'm sure the Israelis must have known why when they went for the Sabras ! I'm sure the Turks and as BlackEagle mentioned, the Jordanians, must have realized the benefit of doing that !

Oh, I didn't know that I am that frightful, I got a reply at the same second my post was posted. Anyway, don't do it again. Capish!

So my Lord, does he live or does he.......!

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Oh, I didn't know that I am that frightful, I got a reply at the same second my post was posted. Anyway, don't do it again. Capish!

Oh Mosa, to avoid any misinterpretation, it's not كبش in Arabic, it's كبيش in turkey which means: agreed?

 

[Desert Fox]

Why you do it ? Beats me...! But I'm sure the Israelis must have known why when they went for the Sabras ! I'm sure the Turks and as BlackEagle mentioned, the Jordanians, must have realized the benefit of doing that !

Well, we're talking about the Saudis,. not Jordanians or israelis. Israelis are innovators, give them a old soviet T-55 and they'll make it into something very useful, example is their APC/infantry support vehicle built on captured T-55 chassis, that's the cost effective method, but it seems the Saudis want the best of the best ASAP.

 

[Mosamania]

Why you do it ? Beats me...! But I'm sure the Israelis must have known why when they went for the Sabras ! I'm sure the Turks and as BlackEagle mentioned, the Jordanians, must have realized the benefit of doing that !

The M60 can still serve as a second line battle tank not a main battle tanks. The strategy is derived from the military doctrine of the nation using them. For example Saudi Arabia have been using the Pakistsni military doctrine from the 1970s until 2006 (by the way 2006 is the year of the second Saudi military founding as I like to call it where everything changed which is why purchasing spree and everything to accommodate the change) when we have written our own military doctrine.

In the terms of conventional war the western doctrine says in a nutshell "obliterate by air and clean up by land" (that is why lesser tanks in western armies compared to eastern ones). Our doctrine kind of follows the same lines but with some tweaks considering most our immediate enemies rely on quantity over quality. Not to mention asymmetric warfare which forces land forces to be more engaged in the fighting than the conventional type. This aspect brings the importance of the second line M60s into importance.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Why you do it ? Beats me...! But I'm sure the Israelis must have known why when they went for the Sabras ! I'm sure the Turks and as BlackEagle mentioned, the Jordanians, must have realized the benefit of doing that !



So my Lord, does he live or does he.......!

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You know what does this sign means; anyway.... it means do it now...

 

[Mosamania]

Well, we're talking about the Saudis,. not Jordanians or israelis. Israelis are innovators, give them a old soviet T-55 and they'll make it into something very useful, example is their APC/infantry support vehicle built on captured T-55 chassis, that's the cost effective method, but it seems the Saudis want the best of the best ASAP.

If you are talking pre(2006) then maybe. But now we are converting our M113s into IFVs based on our requirements.

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You know what does this sign means; anyway.... it means do it now...

Am I being judged in abstantia??? oh you guys are going to get it now.

 

[Armstrong]

Well, we're talking about the Saudis,. not Jordanians or israelis. Israelis are innovators, give them a old soviet T-55 and they'll make it into something very useful, example is their APC/infantry support vehicle built on captured T-55 chassis, that's the cost effective method, but it seems the Saudis want the best of the best ASAP.

But Erwin bachei the Principle still stands ! The M60s might have had the potential to be upgraded till they're a formidable tank much like our T-55s were upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard which in turn used the T-80UDs as a yardstick to go by !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

What's the point of upgrading the M60's when you can just purchase a Tank leagues ahead of that outdated machine? M60's lack crew protection not to mention its main armor is homogeneous steel armor while Abrams and modern Western MBT's have mostly composite armor with steel shell and ERA as optional add on armor.

The other day i was watching this documentary, watch from 9:50 onwards:

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m60_phoenix.htm

 

[Armstrong]

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You know what does this sign means; anyway.... it means do it now...

I regret to inform you my Lord ! He stole one of your personal BMWs and he ran off with it into the Iraqi desert where our intelligence reports suggest that he told the villagers of a small settlement that he was the Second coming of Saddam and unless they gave him a bride and made him their leader he'd use mustard gas over them ! We've got reason to assume that he's married to three women and a she-mule and he's retired for good but one of our informants tells us that his other 3 wives complain that he likes to spend more time with the she-mule then with them !

What are your orders ? Do we save the Mule or not ?

 

[Mosamania]

But Erwin bachei the Principle still stands ! The M60s might have had the potential to be upgraded till they're a formidable tank much like our T-55s were upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard which in turn used the T-80UDs as a yardstick to go by !

Showing the Saudi made equipment that were used in the upgrade:

I regret to inform you my Lord ! He stole one of your personal BMWs and he ran off with it into the Iraqi desert where our intelligence reports suggest that he told the villagers of a small settlement that he was the Second coming of Saddam and unless they gave him a bride and made him their leader he'd use mustard gas over them ! We've got reason to assume that he's married to three women and a she-mule and he's retired for good but one of our informants tells us that his other 3 wives complain that he likes to spend more time with the she-mule then them !

You fvck with my she-mule I faking fvck you up ya hear?