RAW implanting New CIA’ Strategy - Lahore Strikes

[IceCold]

So what u think is right because u think u r not stupid.

Fair point. no need of proof to back ur claims.

Enough of the nonsense. Dude we do have proofs as stated by many here and the same has been shared a many times with the americans, however we always get the same reply. Just a hint, remember what Musharraf said very recently about India and its involvement. Now don't call that for public consumption.
The point i am arguing over is that GOP isn't attempting hard enough for its voice to be heard and isn't making noises in the right direction. I have always maintained that whatever we have (proofs) we just don't need to share it with the US but also with the EU, China, Russia and the UN. Let the Americans too feel the heat for being a hypocrite while India for being a terrorist sponsoring nation while playing the victim card all the time.

 

[anathema]

Enough of the nonsense. Dude we do have proofs as stated by many here and the same has been shared a many times with the americans, however we always get the same reply.

Sir Ice Cold,

We means who ? Can we forum members know ABOUT your invaluable sources , the same sources who knows about the proof's that has been shared with the americans. Or does 'We' mean you & MBI together ? Kindly enlighten us.

Just a hint, remember what Musharraf said very recently about India and its involvement. Now don't call that for public consumption.

True, musharraf did not say that for public consumption. Similarly Advani while giving interview to pakistani media did not have kind words for PAK government also. You see its mutual admiration. A general who has been at war with India is not expected and cannot say goody goody things about India. That being said no one is an angel including Pakistan.

The point i am arguing over is that GOP isn't attempting hard enough for its voice to be heard and isn't making noises in the right direction. I have always maintained that whatever we have (proofs) we just don't need to share it with the US but also with the EU, China, Russia and the UN. Let the Americans too feel the heat for being a hypocrite while India for being a terrorist sponsoring nation while playing the victim card all the time.

Hmmm i wonder what PA or ISI is doing when GOP isnt attempting hard enough for its voice to be heard. ISI one of the best intelligene agencies and PA on of the most professional outfits , sitting quietly and not leaking anything to press about an Indian involvement. Makes you think doesnt it ? Well i guess the only answer is, either ISI or PA doesnt have any proof OR they cannot publish (leak) the proof because they believe it might backfire. From my part i believe your Intelligence agency whom i admire (& also hate) will do everything in its right, to make it level with India before the entire world, especially when ISI is not having any favourable opinion right know in the world.

Till then no one right know in the world body (expect for pakistan and Ohh MBI too ) is going to buy the argument that India is creating trouble by these terror attacks.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Till then no one right know in the world body (expect for pakistan and Ohh MBI too ) is going to buy the argument that India is creating trouble by these terror attacks.

The world is catching on to the fact that India is a terrorist nation. If Pakistan and Bangladesh had invested as much as India on information warfare then the world would have a completely different impression about the country. Just because India is good at telling lies does not mean it is not a participant in terrorist activities. Because Pakistan and Bangladesh would be telling the truth about Indian terrorist activities it would cost much less for them to inform the world. It costs India a huge amount since they want to misinform the world and so they have to bribe more people to convey the wrong message. I know people who work for RAW in Bangladesh and who disseminate manufactured information and they have their entire childrens education paid for, free first class air tickets, free accommodation in 5 star hotels and free health care in hospitals in India. They actually have no visible employment in Bangladesh except writing and they live in such comfort. Who is footing the bill?

 

[Gabbar]

The world is catching on to the fact that India is a terrorist nation.

Which world? May be your fantasy world. Give me some examples where western or third country have accused India.

If Pakistan and Bangladesh had invested as much as India on information warfare then the world would have a completely different impression about the country. Just because India is good at telling lies does not mean it is not a participant in terrorist activities.

Well then this is laziness on your and your country's part.

Because Pakistan and Bangladesh would be telling the truth about Indian terrorist activities it would cost much less for them to inform the world.
It costs India a huge amount since they want to misinform the world and so they have to bribe more people to convey the wrong message.

So you telling me that you have some financial facts to prove this?

I know people who work for RAW in Bangladesh and who disseminate manufactured information and they have their entire childrens education paid for, free first class air tickets, free accommodation in 5 star hotels and free health care in hospitals in India. They actually have no visible employment in Bangladesh except writing and they live in such comfort. Who is footing the bill?

You know people who work for RAW? Well if they living this kind of life why dont you report to GOBD?

 

[notsuperstitious]

You know people who work for RAW? Well if they living this kind of life why dont you report to GOBD?

He means GOBD haven't you been reading his posts?

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Which world? May be your fantasy world. Give me some examples where western or third country have accused India.

The time is not far off.

Well then this is laziness on your and your country's part.

A partial admission that India engages in terrorist activities but due to laziness on Pakistan and Bangladesh's part it is not being revealed. Thnx for the insight.

So you telling me that you have some financial facts to prove this?

Compare the budgets of RAW, ISI and DGFI.

You know people who work for RAW? Well if they living this kind of life why dont you report to GOBD?

The GOBD knows but there is little they can do because the protection they get from India. The present GOBD is of course part of the problem now.

 

[anathema]

The world is catching on to the fact that India is a terrorist nation.

Is this your view ? this is a debatable statement. And world has more than two countries namely Pakistan and bangladesh. World has a fairly decent opinion of India , hmm on the contrary India did receive flak from the world media recently but that was not for terrorist activities; that was for employment reasons (locals objecting Indian workers working in US, visa problems) ..but then thats a different matter altogether.

If Pakistan and Bangladesh had invested as much as India on information warfare then the world would have a completely different impression about the country.

It doesnt matter how much pakistan and banlgadesh invest in information warfare , what matters is convincing world and media that India is no saint. More than money, i would honestly say proof is required. Its been so many days since BDR massacre, except for rants from members here, i didnt see a single proof pointing towards India (except for gas) , ofcourse there has been some insane theories like "Hey BDR it seems was using the same weapons that India army uses -- hmmm how convincing looks like soviet people are responsible for the entire terrorism ". Also on the contrary as soon as guy or religious outfit is blamed for a terrorist activity , people come up with a one liner "what if he is a RAW agent". Hmmmm...'what if' analysis at its best.

I know people who work for RAW in Bangladesh and who disseminate manufactured information

Good for you Sir. Hope you have passed this goldmine of knowledge of Bangladeshi intelligence agency (RAB i presume). They would be delighted with this information, but wait first Bangla intelligence agencies would have to determine if the RAW agent (the one whom you know) is indeed involved in heinous crimes. As we all know intelligence agents of India are present in every neighbouring country and vice versa, this doesnt mean that they are involved in terror activities , on the contrary they will be finding out if there are any chances of terror spreading to India from these countries.

they have their entire childrens education paid for, free first class air tickets, free accommodation in 5 star hotels and free health care in hospitals in India. They actually have no visible employment in Bangladesh except writing and they live in such comfort.

"I presume you are talking about Indian people in Bangladesh." And what might that prove Sir. I hope you as well as everyone knows that there are certain perks of being a Intelligence agent. The risks and the responsibilities make sure that they deserve this kind of treatment. Your diplomat in India might be undergoing the same treatment, but that doesnt prove a point.

If you are talking about bangladeshi's working for RAW, again what would that prove. Every country has their intelligence agents in their neighbouring countries. I am pretty sure Bangladeshi agents might be present in India. This has been going on for centuries and will go on. But i am sure being a good citizen you must have pointed out this to your government , let them worry about how this RAW agent manages to live with such opulence.

Who is footing the bill?

But of course Mother india.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Enough of the nonsense. Dude we do have proofs as stated by many here and the same has been shared a many times with the americans, however we always get the same reply. Just a hint, remember what Musharraf said very recently about India and its involvement. Now don't call that for public consumption.
The point i am arguing over is that GOP isn't attempting hard enough for its voice to be heard and isn't making noises in the right direction. I have always maintained that whatever we have (proofs) we just don't need to share it with the US but also with the EU, China, Russia and the UN. Let the Americans too feel the heat for being a hypocrite while India for being a terrorist sponsoring nation while playing the victim card all the time.

you have proof as stated by many here?

I'd like to welcome you to the real world. this is not a theological debate where you can treat PDF as a holy book, use circular logic and treat hatred and blind belief as 'evidence'.

what mush said was for public consumption, and what mush said is just that - what mush said

 

[anathema]

Compare the budgets of RAW, ISI and DGFI.

Sir, Compare the economies of the countries that these intelligence agencies represent. It would be proportional.

The GOBD knows but there is little they can do because the protection they get from India. The present GOBD is of course part of the problem now.

How sad isn't it ? Indian government protection inside bangladesh. If we have that kinda protection inside bangladesh, we actually dont need RAW agent inside bangladesh. It would just be a matter of extracting information from the concerned person , since we are well protected.
Current government, why ? since they are pro india or since they do not jump on the "This must be RAW act" bandwagon. ?

 

[Gabbar]

The time is not far off.

Well then wait for that time.

A partial admission that India engages in terrorist activities but due to laziness on Pakistan and Bangladesh's part it is not being revealed. Thnx for the insight.

Your welcome!!!

Compare the budgets of RAW, ISI and DGFI.

Sure, give me the data since you brought this up.

The GOBD knows but there is little they can do because the protection they get from India. The present GOBD is of course part of the problem now.

Few months back you guys had different government, why didn't you report then?

On different note :
Your country selected this government with overwelming majority. Hence I dont think common BD people think like you and just hate India. We have problem with Pakistan but I dont hate Pakistan, thier extrimists yes but never Pakistan it self. As matter of fact I hate extrimist fundamentlist in any religion.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Yes and at the same time when PA gave the exact coordinates of Mehsud's location to the CIA to call in a predator strike, they choose to remain silent and look elsewhere.

The CIA knew that the co-ordinates given to them by the ISI for Mehsud's position were really a girl's school. After the strike all he!! would have broken loose about drone strikes, blah, blah blah. The CIA knows it cannot trust the ISI's very convoluted motives.

 

[IceCold]

Hmmm i wonder what PA or ISI is doing when GOP isnt attempting hard enough for its voice to be heard. ISI one of the best intelligene agencies and PA on of the most professional outfits , sitting quietly and not leaking anything to press about an Indian involvement. Makes you think doesnt it ? Well i guess the only answer is, either ISI or PA doesnt have any proof OR they cannot publish (leak) the proof because they believe it might backfire. From my part i believe your Intelligence agency whom i admire (& also hate) will do everything in its right, to make it level with India before the entire world, especially when ISI is not having any favourable opinion right know in the world.

You are missing the point here. Army as an institution comes under the GOP. You might wana argue over it but the fact remains that army does not want to cross GOP in decision making and we have seen the very same so far. ISI no way, its just an intelligence agency which comes under the army control, no working out side that corridor.
Ultimately its the job of the government to make noises in the right direction so that they get heard, not the army and definitely not the ISI.

 

[IceCold]

The CIA knew that the co-ordinates given to them by the ISI for Mehsud's position were really a girl's school. After the strike all he!! would have broken loose about drone strikes, blah, blah blah.

Ohh really! how convenient of you. What about the attack on numerous other schools and madrasas by the same CIA drones? The simple fact is CIA on purpose decided to look otherwise because attacking Mehsud or killing him did not serve their larger goal in the region, besides Mehsud is a threat to Pakistan and not to the US so who gives a damn about a third world partner in the WOT.

The CIA knows it cannot trust the ISI's very convoluted motives.

I'm sure the feeling it very much mutual. By the way then don't cry loud when something does happen other wise.

 

[S-2]

He's likely an ISI asset. If not, he's certainly not a priority intelligence requirement either.

Nothing else can explain how a leader of 20,000 men in S. Waziristan who gives press conferences can't be found by one of the world's foremost intelligence services on their own land for years on end now.

That is inexplicable and suggests either active cooperation or passive acquiescence because Mehsud serves some higher motive by his continued existence.

 

[A1Kaid]

RAW paranoia haunts some even in dreams.

Editorial: At last, Pakistan zeroes in on Baitullah Mehsud

The foremost threat is internal and it comes directly from the Taliban-Al Qaeda combine, as proved by the incident at Manawan. The Pakistani mind should now be concentrated on the removal of this internal threat. Crucial international economic assistance to Pakistan is growing in these days of global crisis in the anticipation that a common regional approach to terrorism will be evolved that will include Pakistan. Hopefully Pakistan will steer skilfully through this process to preserve its self-interest. *


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

The problem is US and NATO presence fuels and supplements the Taliban and Al-Qaeda cells/bodies/units recruitment. The presence of the US enhances the life span of the Taliban, the US and NATO occupation and a puppet US-Karzai dog regime are the active ingredients in supporting the Taliban.

So this is counter-productive. Others have said you are fighting more than the Taliban you are fighting an ideology, you can arrest/kill people and armed people but cannot arrest/kill ideas, at least not necessarily through military means, and we see this in Afghanistan today.


I said this before and I'll say it again

America and NATO need to understand you can kill the Taliban but you cannot defeat the Taliban.

Learn from the Soviet experience, they Soviets fought bloody battles for 10 years, they tried to quell the Mujahideen, they tried to conquer Islamic ideas and beliefs with Communism, and they tried to manage an installed government, just like the Soviets installed Pres. Mohammad Najibullah of Dem.Comm. Afghanistan the US has installed Karzai, and no I don't buy the "free and fair" election argument...

10 years later they failed, only to find that there mere presence was intolerable in Afghanistan.


Afghanistan is a different world.


As far as Pakistan's internal threat goes, it's linked to the US presence in Afghanistan and how their presence and sick actions fuels the militancy.

Pakistan should obviously first set up the appropriate security level in NWFP and tribal agencies, put an adequate amount of troops there, patrol, guard, monitor, and suppress activity thats threatening to security and peace (specifically attacks against Pakistan, not so much US troops )

Once the security is appropriate, we must develop the region economically, increase employment, enrollment in schools, build schools, hospitals/clinics, and markets and begin to develop the place.