Any questions Regarding India

[illusion8]

please read my reply to banglore it was meant for you but he replied. lol i can't repeat myself for both of you but yes do read my 2 points.

Taxing the people? India was the land of milk and honey - these were looters who did not wish to go back to their sh!thole after looting, they stayed back and took over a kingdom and operated the kingdom on the basis of what was it before they brought their ugly @sses over. There is not mcuh mention in history about jizzya but then could be among one of their numerous atrocities.

Anyways, who gives a F F about those retards they are dead and buried (middle finger salute to them)

 

[harpoon]

O forgot, Indians in general did not learn that bit...Like where you address your mother as tu we say aap! and so on!

Good for you...do suicide bombers in Pakistan now address their victims as aap before blowing them up?

 

[INDIC]

which dozen muslim countries have relationship with israel please do tell!

Countries/regions having relationship with Israel.
1) Egypt
2) Jordan
3)Turkey
4)Albania
5)Azerbaijan
6)Turkmenistan
7)Maldives
8)Kazakhstan
9) Uzbekistan
10)Kyrgyzstan
11)Tajikistan
12) Kosovo

as for goa well firstly i feel Pakistan didn't do as much as it should have!! india at the time was going wild trying to annex any area it could be it hyderabad,kashmir or gujrat and goa!

What about Kalat.

as for Pakistan it actually didn't let portugese planes land in karachi to refuel or carry ammunation and supplies for its troops in goa!

i don't know what you been smoking

That's an incomplete lie.

 

[INDIC]

O forgot, Indians in general did not learn that bit...Like where you address your mother as tu we say aap! and so on!

Using aap for elders is native to India, not brought by Mughals or Turks.

 

[Dubious]

Result of Media Blitz and perceptions made over the years and even sometimes I feel that the GoI is giving way too much importance to Taj Mahal.

Well, no Muslims are pushing it...Its the Indians themselves wanting it to stay on the heritage list!

 

[Dubious]

Using aap for elders is native to India, not brought by Mughals or Turks.

Oh please! It is not at all! It is adapted! Watch your own Hindi movies...they go MAA tu kiya keri hai!

 

[harpoon]

Well, no Muslims are pushing it...Its the Indians themselves wanting it to stay on the heritage list!

Hey if it helps to bring revenue and tourists...why not?

 

[ice_man]

Taxing the people? India was the land of milk and honey - these were looters who did not wish to go back to their sh!thole after looting, they stayed back and took over a kingdom and operated the kingdom on the basis of what was it before they brought their ugly @sses over. There is not mcuh mention in history about jizzya but then could be among one of their numerous atrocities.

weird that you call them "looters", "ugly @ss" etc etc. but wasn't india progressing in arts,culture and everything under them so much so that the british wished to come over and take over. and if india was the land of mlik and honey then surely no one was poor in india back then??? how can that be the case?

anyways back to the point either muslim rulers extracted jizya and hence couldn't force convertion or forced conversion and never took jaziya. they couldn't clearly bring all "evils" could they?

 

[ice_man]

Countries having relationship with Israel.
1) Egypt
2) Jordan
3)Turkey
4)Albania
5)Azerbaijan
6)Turkmenistan
7)Maldives
8)Kazakhstan
9) Uzbekistan
10)Kyrgyzstan
11)Tajikistan
12) Kosovo



What about Kalat.



That's an incomplete lie.

turkey is not a muslim country it is secular. besides those 12 countries that you mentioned do not have military imports from israel do they like india does? According to an international opinion survey conducted in 2009 on behalf of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, India is the most pro-Israel country in the world. and india is the largest muslim minority country too. weird that you have double standards regarding israel.

as for kalat what about it? it was not annexed like junagadh,hyderabad or goa was it?

as for the "lie" of Pakistan allowing portuguese planes to land and refuel and carry weapons to goa please prove me wrong. and i wish we had stood by the goans like you indians stood by the bengalis in bnagladesh

 

[illusion8]

weird that you call them "looters", "ugly @ss" etc etc. but wasn't india progressing in arts,culture and everything under them so much so that the british wished to come over and take over. and if india was the land of mlik and honey then surely no one was poor in india back then??? how can that be the case?

anyways back to the point either muslim rulers extracted jizya and hence couldn't force convertion or forced conversion and never took jaziya. they couldn't clearly bring all "evils" could they?

Weird is when someone takes over a country and tries to push their culture on the people - some capitulate and some hold on to their ancient culture and roots which evidently is still alive and kicking in India and some hold on to their converted roots. Arts and culture by the mughals is just a museum piece for us we don't associate with them, we associate with what has been there for ages.

And, for your second point - Conversions did happen and the proof is the Muslim population of the Sub continent, they did tax non Muslims, they did not rule over all of India only parts, so people who were forced to convert and did not want to left and migrated to Non Muslim kingdoms. My ancestors were one such - tipu sultan was converting people to Islam forcefully and my ancestors fled Mysore and migrated to numerous places in South India to avoid this. It really roils me up to think that my ancestors left their family property in Mysore and fled and the A-hole emperor must have given our property to a Muslim convert in Mysore as a gift at that time. Tipu converted a number of people into Muslims in the South hence the high Muslim population in South India.

British came to take over Muslim arts and culture??? that's a weird assumption.

 

[Bang Galore]

nope firstly muslim rulers were surrounded by non muslims and hence HAD TO BE TOLERANT. besides keeping your population non muslim you get jaziya. so infact what your friend stated exactly the opposite is true the moghuls would benefit more by keeping the population non muslim as their coffers would have got full instead of trying to forcefully converting them.

Wrong. The first Muslim Kings were extremely intolerant. A visit to the Qutb Minar & the mosque adjacent to that will make that clear. The mosque is built almost entirely of pieces of temples broken down. Don't confuse greed for revenue with tolerance. You obviously have little understanding of that word if you keep insisting on mixing it up with greed for jaziya. Tolerance is not just the absence of killing.

forcefully converting would have resulted in 2 things:

1) hate for the moghuls from the areas under other raja's control ( leading to a massive crusade type movement which would have made sure the moghuls were attacked from all sides)

2) loss of jaziya (a welcome money for the moghul which helped him stay rich)

Again same point. You are arguing that they were tolerant & then suggesting that the only basis of tolerance was greed for revenue through a tax to punish those of other religions. Some logic that !

 

[harpoon]

Weird is when someone takes over a country and tries to push their culture on the people - some capitulate and some hold on to their ancient culture and roots which evidently is still alive and kicking in India and some hold on to their converted roots. Arts and culture by the mughals is just a museum piece for us we don't associate with them, we associate with what has been there for ages.

And, for your second point - Conversions did happen and the proof is the Muslim population of the Sub continent, they did tax non Muslims, they did not rule over all of India only parts, so people who were forced to convert left and migrated to Non Muslim kingdoms. My ancestors were one such - tipu sultan was converting people to Islam forcefully and my ancestors fled Mysore and migrated to numerous places in South India to avoid this. It really roils me up to think that my ancestors left their family property in Mysore and fled and the A-hole emperor must have given our property to a Muslim convert in Mysore as a gift at that time. Tipu converted a number of people into Muslims in the South hence the high Muslim population in South India.

Only around the Mangalore- Mabar region. The other area is Hyderabad which was not under Tipu and incidentally forces from the Nizam of Hyderabad was also involved in the final battle against Tipu Sulthan.

Tipu Sulthan's accession to greatness in the post independence era just bcs he fought against British is one of the greatest injustices our writers did to history.

 

[ice_man]

Weird is when someone takes over a country and tries to push their culture on the people - some capitulate and some hold on to their ancient culture and roots which evidently is still alive and kicking in India and some hold on to their converted roots. Arts and culture by the mughals is just a museum piece for us we don't associate with them, we associate with what has been there for ages.

And, for your second point - Conversions did happen and the proof is the Muslim population of the Sub continent, they did tax non Muslims, they did not rule over all of India only parts, so people who were forced to convert left and migrated to Non Muslim kingdoms. My ancestors were one such - tipu sultan was converting people to Islam forcefully and my ancestors fled Mysore and migrated to numerous places in South India to avoid this. It really roils me up to think that my ancestors left their family property in Mysore and fled and the A-hole emperor must have given our property to a Muslim convert in Mysore as a gift at that time. Tipu converted a number of people into Muslims in the South hence the high Muslim population in South India.

so basically you are saying non muslims left the muslim areas due to fear of forceful conversion? if so then who did the muslims tax & kill? are you trying to say that NO NON MUSLIM lived under the moghul rule given that they ruled for 800 years?

and muslim art is just a musem piece good but then what about other art of the time do you worship it or just keep it at musems too?

as for tipu sultan trying to convert people and them running away well wouldn't it make it harder for him to make hindu raja's as allies inorder to fight the british?

this is total nonsense that tipu converted some hindus and the ones who fled their land was gifted to muslims! please back jup your claims with proof.

 

[ice_man]

Wrong. The first Muslim Kings were extremely intolerant. A visit to the Qutb Minar & the mosque adjacent to that will make that clear. The mosque is built almost entirely of pieces of temples broken down. Don't confuse greed for revenue with tolerance. You obviously have little understanding of that word if you keep insisting on mixing it up with greed for jaziya. Tolerance is not just the absence of killing.



Again same point. You are arguing that they were tolerant & then suggesting that the only basis of tolerance was greed for revenue through a tax to punish those of other religions. Some logic that !

well if they were not tolerant then like i said why not a crusade type movement against them from all the hindu rajas and mahraja's and the subject of those raja's?

it is naive for a ruler to be intolerant when surrounded by non muslims. infact weren't rajputs in the army of moghuls?

and like i said before if for 800 years the strongholds of moghuls were subject to intolerence then why are they still majority hindu areas why didn't the people migrate to hindu ruled "less barbaric" areas?

 

[newdelhinsa]

O forgot, Indians in general did not learn that bit...Like where you address your mother as tu we say aap! and so on!

So on ?

How old are you englandiyea Pakistani 'fukrey' ?

You wouldn't stand when one will start posting videos of Pakistani manners used in your Punjabi stage dramas where mother and sister characters are trolled at with double meaning words. I saw a program two days back where one of your media person was ranting and crying on Pakistani being abusive on every word uttered.

Your Muslim bigotry is your salvation to your every inferiority complex as you can claim anything not being being Indian because it has something to do with Muslims. You are an empty vessel who has outsourced every thing from India even example of Urdu language 'Aap' which was invented and used in North central India and we practice it till today.